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Dorothea · Mar 26, 2021

Antoni said:
I'm surprised that many intend to take this "vaccine".

Caught your using quotes for the vaccine. Very good.

Antoni · Mar 26, 2021

Dorothea said:
Caught your using quotes for the vaccine. Very good.

I’m glad you did! You would think by listening to the news and the “authorities” that the experimental mRNA gene modification therapy being pushed for COVID was a vaccine, but it most certainly is not. Neither in the medicine insert nor in the patent does it make such a claim to be.

buzuxi02 · Mar 26, 2021

Antoni said:
I’m glad you did! You would think by listening to the news and the “authorities” that the experimental mRNA gene modification therapy being pushed for COVID was a vaccine, but it most certainly is not. Neither in the medicine insert nor in the patent does it make such a claim to be.

It doesn't claim to be a vaccine? Im confused here. What does it claim to be?

Light of the East · Mar 26, 2021

buzuxi02 said:
It doesn't claim to be a vaccine? Im confused here. What does it claim to be?

With all the information that is abundantly available from real doctors on the Internet, (instead of drones on the government payroll or "doctors" who are concerned to "toe the line" and keep their cushy jobs) I'm surprised you even have to ask.

But I shouldn't be. I am stunned at the number of people who have no idea about the numerous lies that have been told about this whole scamdemic.

It's not a vaccine. It's an experimental gene-modification therapy. The last time this therapy was tried to be put into a vaccine, all the test animals DIED!! But they pushed on and vaccinated 35 children. All of them got dreadfully sick and two of them died, so they scotched the idea. That was back in 2001. Now this Frankenstine monster has been resurrected under a new name.

Skeletons in the Closet of COVID Vaccine Makers

Antoni · Mar 26, 2021

Light of the East said:
With all the information that is abundantly available from real doctors on the Internet, (instead of drones on the government payroll or "doctors" who are concerned to "toe the line" and keep their cushy jobs) I'm surprised you even have to ask.

But I shouldn't be. I am stunned at the number of people who have no idea about the numerous lies that have been told about this whole scamdemic.

It's not a vaccine. It's an experimental gene-modification therapy. The last time this therapy was tried to be put into a vaccine, all the test animals DIED!! But they pushed on and vaccinated 35 children. All of them got dreadfully sick and two of them died, so they scotched the idea. That was back in 2001. Now this Frankenstine monster has been resurrected under a new name.

Skeletons in the Closet of COVID Vaccine Makers

Excellent synopsis. It is not a vaccine. There are ones which are being developed to fight this virus which can be called vaccines, but the mRNA gene modification therapy ones that are being touted is not a vaccine, regardless of what people say.

Most people running to get these have little to no idea that they are all part of an experiment with a treatment which has never made it out of animal trials.

All for an illness with a 99.98% survival rate for those under 70.

Lord have mercy!

Antoni · Mar 26, 2021

buzuxi02 said:
It doesn't claim to be a vaccine? Im confused here. What does it claim to be?

It claims to help prevent death when you are infected as it mitigates the symptoms. It is gene therapy. It does not prevent infection nor end a pandemic as a vaccine should do. Indeed, an increasing number of experts are worried these ‘vaccines’ will allow greater chance for mutant strains to arise and the primary vector for this to happen will be the “vaccinated” since they will in effect become a university where the virus can learn to mutate.

Light of the East · Mar 26, 2021

Antoni said:
It claims to help prevent death when you are infected as it mitigates the symptoms. It is gene therapy. It does not prevent infection nor end a pandemic as a vaccine should do. Indeed, an increasing number of experts are worried these ‘vaccines’ will allow greater chance for mutant strains to arise and the primary vector for this to happen will be the “vaccinated” since they will in effect become a university where the virus can learn to mutate.

Here's the real problem. The spike protein which attaches itself to your DNA creates a response attitude in the DNA to any future Corona virus which may enter the body. There are seven Corona viruses known, which include the flu and the common cold. When any of these viruses enter the body in a future date, the immune system will be triggered with a powerful response, and many viriologists are concerned that the response will be out of control and trigger a cytocine avalance in the body, resulting in dreadful consequences, including death. I am looking towards the fall flu and cold season to see a dramatic increase in deaths, which will be blamed on a "new strain of Covid" for which we will be hammered to death to get another round of "vaccines."

If the tyrant running Virginia insists on making vaccines mandatory, I am off to Florida, where Governor DeSantis has stated that he will in no way go along with such a violation of personal freedom. And if for some reason, our archbishop decides that a vaccine certificate is mandatory to attend Liturgy -- that's all folks. I will walk out and never return.

This whole thing is a castle of lies and has been so from the beginning. Bill Gates must be pleased as all heck to see his bottom line pushing towards being the first trillionaire in the world while getting rid of so many of us "useless breathers" who are stealing his air, water, and food.

buzuxi02 · Mar 26, 2021

Light of the East said:
Here's the real problem. The spike protein which attaches itself to your DNA creates a response attitude in the DNA to any future Corona virus which may enter the body. There are seven Corona viruses known, which include the flu and the common cold. When any of these viruses enter the body in a future date, the immune system will be triggered with a powerful response, and many viriologists are concerned that the response will be out of control and trigger a cytocine avalance in the body, resulting in dreadful consequences, including death. I am looking towards the fall flu and cold season to see a dramatic increase in deaths, which will be blamed on a "new strain of Covid" for which we will be hammered to death to get another round of "vaccines."

If the tyrant running Virginia insists on making vaccines mandatory, I am off to Florida, where Governor DeSantis has stated that he will in no way go along with such a violation of personal freedom. And if for some reason, our archbishop decides that a vaccine certificate is mandatory to attend Liturgy -- that's all folks. I will walk out and never return.

This whole thing is a castle of lies and has been so from the beginning. Bill Gates must be pleased as all heck to see his bottom line pushing towards being the first trillionaire in the world while getting rid of so many of us "useless breathers" who are stealing his air, water, and food.

The campaign to keep everyone afraid and for us to stay scared is high on this. It seems to me a steroidal shot with some Regeneron cures this thing but most likely most hospitals don't even offer it.
Florida is good, I was there from August to September in the Clearwater area,. Gyms didn't require masksduring work outs (same was the case in South Carolina). And the Greek social club I hung out at didn't enforce any mask rules.
Heck I spoke to one of my workers face to face when he came in to tell me he had covid. I even made him work for one hour as well and his work space is only a few feet away from me. Maybe I'm lucky who knows.

Light of the East · Mar 26, 2021

buzuxi02 said:
The campaign to keep everyone afraid and for us to stay scared is high on this. It seems to me a steroidal shot with some Regeneron cures this thing but most likely most hospitals don't even offer it.
Florida is good, I was there from August to September in the Clearwater area,. Gyms didn't require masksduring work outs (same was the case in South Carolina). And the Greek social club I hung out at didn't enforce any mask rules.
Heck I spoke to one of my workers face to face when he came in to tell me he had covid. I even made him work for one hour as well and his work space is only a few feet away from me. Maybe I'm lucky who knows.

I just found this:

Dear Shepherds... Where Are You? - The Now Word

This guy nails it!

Antoni · Mar 26, 2021

Light of the East said:
Here's the real problem. The spike protein which attaches itself to your DNA creates a response attitude in the DNA to any future Corona virus which may enter the body. There are seven Corona viruses known, which include the flu and the common cold. When any of these viruses enter the body in a future date, the immune system will be triggered with a powerful response, and many viriologists are concerned that the response will be out of control and trigger a cytocine avalance in the body, resulting in dreadful consequences, including death. I am looking towards the fall flu and cold season to see a dramatic increase in deaths, which will be blamed on a "new strain of Covid" for which we will be hammered to death to get another round of "vaccines."

If the tyrant running Virginia insists on making vaccines mandatory, I am off to Florida, where Governor DeSantis has stated that he will in no way go along with such a violation of personal freedom. And if for some reason, our archbishop decides that a vaccine certificate is mandatory to attend Liturgy -- that's all folks. I will walk out and never return.

This whole thing is a castle of lies and has been so from the beginning. Bill Gates must be pleased as all heck to see his bottom line pushing towards being the first trillionaire in the world while getting rid of so many of us "useless breathers" who are stealing his air, water, and food.

Yes I have heard some experts warning about this. In fact, it was when the test animals in the mRNA experiments were reinfected whereby they developed hyperiummune reactions which led to death. I hope and pray these do not apply here but the reality is we do not know what will happen as the experiment is on going right now and we won’t know the full effects until later. It is criminal what is happening with this mad rush for experimental treatments and the fact that to even mention these concerns on the big social media platforms risks you getting censored and banned is inexcusable.

gzt · Mar 26, 2021

Can we close this thread now, we're moving into silly conspiracy theory stuff.

Antoni · Mar 26, 2021

gzt said:
Can we close this thread now, we're moving into silly conspiracy theory stuff.

You can simply stop reading it if you think it is “silly conspiracy theory stuff”.

The facts remain that the mRNA therapy is experimental and experts in the field are raising serious concerns about it while the media and tech giants are suppressing this information.

The problem with cancel culture is that without free and open debate, the ones in power form the narrative they want and anyone against it is simply censored, silenced or slandered. That is not a healthy or productive way to discover the truth. Especially when the ones in power are not always looking out for the benefit of the ones they rule over.

Light of the East · Mar 26, 2021

gzt said:
Can we close this thread now, we're moving into silly conspiracy theory stuff.

YOU are the kind of person that gets my blood boiling. I cannot believe that when I post information from scientists, doctors, and other reputable sources, many of whom are peer reviewed and have mutiple high level awards, doctorates, etc. that people look at me like I just landed from Mars, then snort and walk off muttering under their breath.

It is hardly "silly conspiracy stuff." What it is is a demonstration of fallen human nature. From the beginning, men have striven to conquer and rule over other men and other lands - and the more the better. Technology has just given these men the ability to do what men like Alexander the Great, Atila the Hun, and other tyrants could have only dreamed about.

We even see it in Scripture where it says that "they conspired to kill him." It is not a good thing to be ignorant of the devices of the wicked.

SalemsConcordance · Mar 26, 2021

gzt said:
Can we close this thread now, we're moving into silly conspiracy theory stuff.

These are not vaccines because they do not prevent transmission. They reduce symptoms of whatever they are calling "severe" Covid. Here is an apologist article by "Orthodox Theologians" for the murder of infants, harvesting organs alive, for a 99% survival rate virus, where India is completely open and has poor hygiene and more dense cities then America likely ever will, and the homeless populations of California, Seattle, and the PNW did not suffer at all from what should have been "a plague."

According to the document, a mask must still be worn even after a person has received a vaccine: “Yes. The reason for this is because the endpoint or goal of the Covid-19 vaccine clinical trials were to prevent severe Covid-19. Therefore, we do not yet know whether the vaccine will prevent transmission of virus. However, we will find out soon.”

COVID vaccines present best ethical option despite use of fetal cells, says Orthodox Theological Society in America / OrthoChristian.Com

Forgive me, I pray you read and discern whether you are outside of the bounds of the Church. Are you placing yourself above the Holy Fathers and Saints?

Sermon on the Sunday of Orthodoxy. St. John of Shanghai

So also did Christ lower Himself more than all men; He lowered Himself in order to erase and destroy Adam’s sin of pride. So also the thief, humbly acknowledging his sins, asked the Lord for forgiveness, and through this the Lord appeared to him in all His glory. But the other thief who hung on the left side, oshuyu as it is in Church Slavonic, blasphemed Him the whole time, because he acknowledged that he was sinful, that he was a criminal, that he had violated both human and divine laws, but he did not want to repent, he did not want to humble himself. And he was blaspheming the very laws that he had violated, he blasphemed the Lawgiver Himself, Who gave the laws of nature, Who placed a conscience in people, according to which they write their human laws, albeit not always in agreement with the conscience; he blasphemed Him and continued to blaspheme until the weight of his blasphemy pulled his soul down into hell.

Before us lies either the path of salvation, or the path of destruction. Christians also stumbled on the Cross during the time of iconoclasm, when they began to persecute the holy icons, when they began to degrade other sacred objects, and the Cross of the Lord. And these are those who called themselves “right believing”, even considering themselves Orthodox. Thus, the iconoclastic heresy ruled for 150 years until it was finally crushed.

We all sin, we all violate Christ’s commandments and the laws of the Holy Church, but some recognize that they are sinful in what they violate and repent of their sins, while others instead reject the laws themselves and do not want to submit to them, saying that these laws are outdated, no longer needed, and that they are supposedly smarter than those who gave us the laws of the Church—laws which the Lord Himself gave through his apostles and holy hierarchs. So, there are two paths before you: the path of the wise thief and the path of the one who went down into hades by the weight of his blasphemy.

Now also various divisions can arise for us. Because the laws of Christ’s Church are immutable, Christians should submit to the laws and rules of the Church independently of how they are viewed by others, by society around us, be it favorably or negatively. Those faithful to Christ walk the path of those laws and rules that the Holy Church sacredly preserves. But those who desire superflous comforts and joys in this earthly world, which will perish sooner or later, prefer other laws: not the laws of the Church, but those that allow them to live as they like and think as they like, placing their own will above the spirit of the Church, which was given by the Lord God Himself. And they call on others to follow their path.

Perhaps, brothers and sisters, soon troubles will find you here, and some of you will be called to take the path of rejecting the holy laws and submit only to those laws that are given by human authority. Fear this path! Fear this path, which the thief took who hung on the left side—for the weight of blasphemy, the weight of blaspheming Christ took him down to eternal destruction. And those who blaspheme the Church’s laws blaspheme Christ Himself, Who is the Head of the Church; for the laws of the Church were given by the Holy Spirit through the apostles. And local laws were based on those same laws and canons of the Church. Let’s not think ourselves wiser than the holy hierarchs who established the rules of the Church; let’s not consider ourselves greatly wise. Let us humbly cry out with the wise thief: Remember me, O Lord, in Thy Kingdom!

Pray for the forgiveness of sins. If we depart from the laws of the Church, if we continually violate them, pray that the Lord would have mercy and lead us with the thief to the Kingdom of Heaven. Then we will not take the path that the impious thief took, remaining impious to the end and falling into hell. May the Lord deliver you all from this. Amen.

St John Maximovitch please pray for us!

Light of the East · Mar 27, 2021

COVID vaccines present best ethical option despite use of fetal cells, says Orthodox Theological Society in America / OrthoChristian.Com

And my opinion of this whole piece is well expressed in one of the comments which says:

"This mound of steaming cow manure is certainly not theology. These are the same clowns who have been pushing for things like recognition of gay marriage and deaconesses. They like to meet regularly and stroke each other's egos. Whatever they say, Orthodox Christians have to do the opposite. Lord have mercy!"

I am beyond stunned how people are lining up to believe the lies that are being pushed down our collective throats about a disease from which 99% of the people who catch it survive. Is this a case of willing ignorance of facts or is there some other reason that they have gotten onboard with the vaccine pushers?

I am appalled at the way our shepherds have lined up with lies, we who are servants of the One who is Truth Incarnate. As Christians we are not allowed to lie, for it violates the spirit of love which is the Gospel. Therefore, we should not have any part with promoting or cooperating with a lie either.

I read a letter online put out by the Roman Catholic bishop Dolan in which he stops just a millimeter short of telling Catholics that vaccinations should be mandatory in order to recieve the Eucharist. Will Orthodox bishops be soon behind? I wonder.

I am flumoxxed by the way that so many have swallowed this lie without doing the slightest research into what is behind all this, the players involved, and what may well be very evil intentions by men who are soulless sociopaths.

Platina · Mar 27, 2021

buzuxi02 said:
The campaign to keep everyone afraid and for us to stay scared is high on this. It seems to me a steroidal shot with some Regeneron cures this thing but most likely most hospitals don't even offer it.
Florida is good, I was there from August to September in the Clearwater area,. Gyms didn't require masksduring work outs (same was the case in South Carolina). And the Greek social club I hung out at didn't enforce any mask rules.
Heck I spoke to one of my workers face to face when he came in to tell me he had covid. I even made him work for one hour as well and his work space is only a few feet away from me. Maybe I'm lucky who knows.

A buddy of mine had COVID, and he just recovered from cancer not all that long ago. It hit him like a freight train. Then he got a steroid shot and he like immediately felt fine again. I don't know if it "cured" him of the rona, but he was certainly praising the steriod shot up and down.

Dorothea · Mar 27, 2021

Antoni said:
I’m glad you did! You would think by listening to the news and the “authorities” that the experimental mRNA gene modification therapy being pushed for COVID was a vaccine, but it most certainly is not. Neither in the medicine insert nor in the patent does it make such a claim to be.

Yep. It only lessens the symptoms.

rusmeister · Mar 27, 2021

gzt said:
Can we close this thread now, we're moving into silly conspiracy theory stuff.

Hi, gz,
I have said that I see the division as between people who have a higher level of faith and trust in modern science and education vis-a-vis tradition, and people who trust tradition more, and modern knowledge less. Thus, I characterize the division as modernity, or fashion (moda) vs tradition, even though some people on both sides have varying degrees of respect for science and the education that produces it, or for tradition, respectively.

So I guess the question is whether free speech (the kind that at least strives for truth, rightly or wrongly, and not to obfuscate or distract) is at all appropriate. I think it is. I suppose you could play the rules to get this particular thread closed, but I don't think that an approach that is honest at its heart. If you have the truth, then the truth will out. Those with the truth need not fear the raging of the skeptics; they know that the truth will win in the end. I would think the most productive thing (which DOES require a lot of patience) would be to patiently take one of the charges, and calmly chip away at it, with certain facts that really add up to truth, to introduce at least a little doubt into the dogmatic certainty of the people disagreeing with you. Anywhere any of us turns out to be mistaken on a point, we ought to be ready to modify our position to accommodate new truths that we realize.

If you keep in mind the core of our disagreement; that some don't accept the conclusions you take for granted, it would help get politely to the heart of disagreement. And if disagreement gets too intense, we should remember that we are supposed to be in Lent.

abacabb3 · Mar 27, 2021

truefiction, you just replied to one post 3 times.

truefiction1 · Mar 27, 2021

abacabb3 said:
truefiction, you just replied to one post 3 times.

I believe you are correct. It was to reply to three separate points made by the brother whom I replied to.

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