The inhabitants of the Millennial Kingdom

sovereigngrace · Mar 25, 2021

Timtofly said:
Except Revelation 20 goes against that interpretation. Which is in your mind, because you failed to back up that point with Scripture. Revelation 20:4 goes from a resurrection to eternal life, because they cannot die again. After 1000 years, there are billions of living humans.

This is not the church in Paradise. The church does not apply, now or then. Do you accept the JW teaching, about spiritual souls sent down into earthly bodies? If not, then why the fuss? Children on earth are born naturally now, and on earth in the future. I do not see that changing, especially if you use Isaiah 65 as the NHNE. Why talk about children and infants even symbolically? If no one is ever born why apply birth at all? I think you are wrong into applying no children being born as a blanket statement for all Scripture. Only the church becomes like the angels, not those living on earth. If that were the case, no one on earth would have been born after the Cross. The Second Coming does not change the church to "like angels". That is the current condition of the church after physical life on earth. They are not making babies in Paradise. The age of the NT is different than the OT, in location. They did not make babies in Abraham's bosom in sheol either.

If you kick all dispensations to the curb, you really miss out on most of the nuances of history. The sons of God prior to the Flood had multiple offspring and were not like the angels either. How that happened can be debated. They had incorruptible glorified bodies, and they could have offspring with Adam's descendant's fallen, corruptible, non glorified, physical bodies. Genesis 6:1-2

1 In time, when men (Adam's offspring) began to multiply on earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God (those created on the 6th day with Adam) saw that the daughters of men were attractive; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

Adam was a son of God, but died when he disobeyed God. He went from an incorruptible glorified body to a corruptible sin nature body separated from his spirit, no longer glorified in the image of God. Mankind today are in Adam's fallen image. The sons of God who rebelled were destroyed in Noah's Flood and all their wicked offspring. It happened in the 1500+ years between sin entering the world and the Flood. Billions will be born in the Millennium after the Second Coming. Birth has been a reality on earth in the last 7000 years, and the last 1000 will not be any different. The sons of God multiplied on the earth before sin in glorified bodies. After the Cross, that OT age, brought an end to sons of God having offspring. Because they were now living in Paradise in physical incorruptible bodies. Humans (the church in Paradise) were now like the angels who literally had no offspring ever. Not even between the 6 days of Creation until forever. The sons of God are not angels and angels never procreated with the sons of God, nor Adam's descendants.

Rev 20 starts at the one-and-only first resurrection of Christ. This chapter covers the dead in Christ reigning in Paradise in the intermediate state and shows the righteous on earth being surrounded at the end before the second coming.

sovereigngrace · Mar 25, 2021

Timtofly said:
There is a physical bodily resurrection to incorruptible bodies the morning after Armageddon. That is how. God used Noah and 7 other humans when water destroyed earth. Now God will use a physical resurrection after earth is destroyed by fire. Revelation 20 is literal with a literal resurrection, a literal 1000 years, and unfortunately a literal rebellion after 1000 years. Humanity still can choose between God and eternal life or Satan and his deception of thinking Satan is better than God. That is no different than now. Except then, humans can choose between Christ physically on earth, and Satan physically on earth. It is not a choice by sight now. It is one of faith, trust, and obedience to God's Word.

You have no verse in Revelation 19 of a climactic end. The thought carries over to the binding of Satan at Armageddon as well. Those 3 gathered the armies to Armageddon. Those 3 were defeated at Armageddon. 2 were cast into the lake of fire. 1 was bound for 1,000 years and then cast into the lake of fire. How difficult is that to grasp?

I agree all of Adam's flesh and blood died at Armageddon or even 42 months before that. There does not even have to be an Armageddon. All sin and death should be finished before the 7th Trumpet starts. The 7th Trumpet is the climactic ending of sin and Adam's flesh. Then there is a resurrection and the earth is populated by physically resurrected beings, no longer attached to Adam's punishment of sin and death by sin. No more decay of the human flesh.

That is the declaration of Revelation 20:4. These people are judged by the church and allowed to live life on earth. Amil sit in pre-judgment already condemning that no humans can be resurrected and live on earth for 1000 years. They claim it is physically not possible. They literally deny Revelation 20:4. At the least, some, symbolically deny that it can happen.

Where you get confused is inventing another age of sin and sinners, crying and dying, after Jesus brings an end of that at the second coming. This age will never happen. It is a Premil invention. It enjoys no support elsewhere in Scripture.

Timtofly · Mar 25, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
Rev 20 starts at the one-and-only first resurrection of Christ. This chapter covers the dead in Christ reigning in Paradise in the intermediate state and shows the righteous on earth being surrounded at the end before the second coming.

No it does not. It happens after Armageddon. Where are all these billions of resurrected bodies on earth after 1991 years?

Are you claiming this resurrection happens in heaven? How did billions of humans in heaven rebel against God. How many lies do you have to go deep into your interpretation before it stops making sense?

Timtofly · Mar 25, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
Where you get confused is inventing another age of sin and sinners, crying and dying, after Jesus brings an end of that at the second coming. This age will never happen. It is a Premil invention. It enjoys no support elsewhere in Scripture.

You mean your crying and dying invention of the current age? You have to apply your made up crying and dying consistently. You pre judge this age cannot happen.

BABerean2 · Mar 25, 2021

Timtofly said:
Satan was literally bound for 1000 years.

You are ignoring the fact that an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit in Revelation 9. Why does the pit need to be unlocked if it was not locked before then?

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Angels who are "bound" are found in Revelation 9:14.

If the beast "ascends" out of the pit in the verse below, where was the beast before then?

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

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friend of · Mar 25, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
Where you get confused is inventing another age of sin and sinners, crying and dying, after Jesus brings an end of that at the second coming. This age will never happen. It is a Premil invention. It enjoys no support elsewhere in Scripture.

What is the Millennial Kingdom, and should it be understood literally? | GotQuestions.org

Answer: The millennial kingdom is the title given to the 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. Some seek to interpret the 1,000 years in an allegorical manner. They understand the 1,000 years as merely a figurative way of saying “a long period of time,” not a literal, physical reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. However, six times in Revelation 20:2-7, the millennial kingdom is specifically said to be 1,000 years in length. If God wished to communicate “a long period of time,” He could have easily done so without explicitly and repeatedly mentioning an exact time frame.

The Bible tells us that when Christ returns to the earth He will establish Himself as king in Jerusalem, sitting on the throne of David (Luke 1:32–33). The unconditional covenants demand a literal, physical return of Christ to establish the kingdom. The Abrahamic Covenant promised Israel a land, a posterity and ruler, and a spiritual blessing (Genesis 12:1–3). The Palestinian Covenant promised Israel a restoration to the land and occupation of the land (Deuteronomy 30:1–10). The Davidic Covenant promised Israel a king from David’s line who would rule forever—giving the nation rest from all their enemies (2 Samuel 7:10–13).

At the second coming, these covenants will be fulfilled as Israel is re-gathered from the nations (Matthew 24:31), converted (Zechariah 12:10–14), and restored to the land under the rule of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The Bible speaks of the conditions during the millennium as a perfect environment physically and spiritually. It will be a time of peace (Micah 4:2–4; Isaiah 32:17–18), joy (Isaiah 61:7, 10), and comfort (Isaiah 40:1–2). The Bible also tells us that only believers will enter the millennial kingdom. Because of this, it will be a time of obedience (Jeremiah 31:33), holiness (Isaiah 35:8), truth (Isaiah 65:16), and the knowledge of God (Isaiah 11:9, Habakkuk 2:14). Christ will rule as king (Isaiah 9:3–7; 11:1–10). Nobles and governors will also rule (Isaiah 32:1; Matthew 19:28), and Jerusalem will be the political center of the world (Zechariah 8:3).

Revelation 20:2-7 gives the precise time period of the millennial kingdom. There are countless other passages that point to a literal reign of the Messiah on the earth. The fulfillment of many of God’s covenants and promises rests on a literal, physical, future kingdom. There is no solid basis for denying the literal interpretation of the millennial kingdom and its duration being 1,000 years.

friend of · Mar 25, 2021

BABerean2 said:
You are ignoring the fact that an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit in Revelation 9. Why does the pit need to be unlocked if it was not locked before then?

Where does it say it was not locked before? Nowhere. We know that it's locked because the scripture says it will be unlocked. That's good enough. You are begging the question.

ewq1938 · Mar 25, 2021

chad kincham said:
Unbelievers won’t be allowed in the Holy city New Jerusalem.

Of course since they are all in the LOF when NJ comes but before that and the NHNE, there are unbelievers on the Earth.

Bruce Leiter · Mar 25, 2021

friend of said:
The Inhabitants of the Millennium and the Timing of the Rapture, Part 1 - Faith Baptist Bible College

My interpretation of the "Millennial Kingdom" is quite different from some other people who answer your post. I believe that Revelation 20 follows chapter 19. I think that most of us would agree with that observation.

However, the picture at the end of chapter 19 is of Jesus' return to begin his rule. I believe that that symbolic picture is the end of one vision.

The next vision starts with Jesus' first coming when his death and resurrection banish Satan and his troops by limiting their activities, thus letting the gospel go out to the whole earth during the present age, which is the symbolically depicted, complete era known as the "thousand years." I wonder if Satan has been let loose to create havoc in the earth until Jesus' second coming, when Satan, the demons, and all his human followers will be judged and banished from God's presence forever.

chad kincham · Mar 25, 2021

friend of said:
No, they were humans on earth during the great Tribulation, so they would have been tested by Satan in the same way we all are.

There will be a lot of people born during the thousand years, and therefore not tested/tempted by Satan who is bound those thousand years.

That’s not a hard concept - I’m surprised I have to explain it to you.

friend of · Mar 25, 2021

chad kincham said:
There will be a lot of people born during the thousand years, and therefore not tested/tempted by Satan who is bound those thousand years.

That’s not a hard concept - I’m surprised I have to explain it to you.

No I thought you were talking about the parents of those children. The parents who go through the Tribulation will certainly be acquainted with Satan.

jeffweedaman · Mar 25, 2021

friend of said:
I already answered that. They are the children of those who survive great Tribulation

Nobody survives the GT except the elect.

Matt 24
21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

This was just what it was like in Noahs day. For the sake of the elect , God provided the dimensions of the ark , and only 8 survived. Now God has provided the Gospel , and only those who believe will be saved.

These children you speak of ,who you say survive the GT, turn into many millions of people in your proposed future millennium. What of those young children at the end of your millennium.....They are in the same position as those at the end of the GT.

All were swept away in the flood and all will be swept away after the GT. There will be no repeat of this after the GT....

Matt 24
21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

friend of · Mar 25, 2021

jeffweedaman said:
Nobody survives the GT except the elect.

That's what I'm saying.

chad kincham · Mar 25, 2021

jeffweedaman said:
Nobody survives the GT except the elect.

Matt 24
21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

This was just what it was like in Noahs day. For the sake of the elect , God provided the dimensions of the ark , and only 8 survived. Now God has provided the Gospel , and only those who believe will be saved.

These children you speak of ,who you say survive the GT, turn into many millions of people in your proposed future millennium. What of those young children at the end of your millennium.....They are in the same position as those at the end of the GT.

All were swept away in the flood and all will be swept away after the GT. There will be no repeat of this after the GT....

Matt 24
21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

Read Zechariah 14 and say that.

BABerean2 · Mar 25, 2021

friend of said:
Where does it say it was not locked before? Nowhere. We know that it's locked because the scripture says it will be unlocked. That's good enough. You are begging the question.

Some of us are begging to know how many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46???

We are also begging to know how any Christian can envision Jesus conducting funeral services for dead mortals, during a time of 1,000 years after His Second Coming???

We also wonder why some of us cannot find the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18, which proves the book is not in chronological order???

Amillennialism, Dr. Sam Storms:

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BABerean2 · Mar 25, 2021

chad kincham said:
Read Zechariah 14 and say that.

The change in lighting, and the living waters in Zechariah 14, are found in Revelation chapters 21, and 22.

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friend of · Mar 25, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Some of us are begging to know how many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46???

IDK exact numbers. Read post #10

sovereigngrace · Mar 25, 2021

Timtofly said:
No it does not. It happens after Armageddon. Where are all these billions of resurrected bodies on earth after 1991 years?

Are you claiming this resurrection happens in heaven? How did billions of humans in heaven rebel against God. How many lies do you have to go deep into your interpretation before it stops making sense?

All you have is your faulty opinion that Revelation 20 is chronological to Revelation 19 in time. That is it! Repeated Scripture forbids your theory.

jeffweedaman · Mar 25, 2021

friend of said:
That's what I'm saying.

All the elect are glorified and will be with Jesus when he comes forever more.
Nobody is left who are not the elect will populate a period of time after Jesus comes .They perish.

jeffweedaman · Mar 25, 2021

chad kincham said:
Read Zechariah 14 and say that.

Jesus read that and still said .....

Matt 24
21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

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