Was the 70th Week of Daniel Fulfilled during the First Century?

Douggg · Mar 25, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

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Those verses, Matthew 10:6-7 are about the gospel of "the kingdom of heaven" that disciples were to spread the word throughout Israel. In the beginning of Jesus's ministry, as advance notice as Jesus traveled town to town healing people and teaching.

Ultimately to welcome Jesus arriving in Jerusalem, Him as the messiah, King of Israel coming in the name of the Lord, the passover week he would be cutoff, fulfilling Daniel 9:25-26.

The disciples were not spreading the gospel of Salvation, as they were not commissioned to spread the gospel of Salvation until after the resurrection and Jesus appearing to them and opened their understanding in Luke 24:44-48.

So Matthew 10:6-7 is not what Paul was referring to. "to the Jews first, and also to the greek" refers back to Luke 24:44-48 where the disciples were to begin spreading the gospel of Salvation beginning in Jerusalem, which was predominantly Jews, but also there were greeks (i.e. a generalized way of referring to all non-Jews) there in Jerusalem as well.

Luke 24:
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

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jgr · Mar 25, 2021

Douggg said:
Those verses, Matthew 10:6-7 are about the gospel of "the kingdom of heaven" that disciples were to spread the word throughout Israel. In the beginning of Jesus's ministry, as advance notice as Jesus traveled town to town healing people and teaching.

Ultimately to welcome Jesus arriving in Jerusalem, Him as the messiah, King of Israel coming in the name of the Lord, the passover week he would be cutoff, fulfilling Daniel 9:25-26.

The disciples were not spreading the gospel of Salvation, as they were not commissioned to spread the gospel of Salvation until after the resurrection and Jesus appearing to them and opened their understanding in Luke 24:44-48.

So Matthew 10:6-7 is not what Paul was referring to. "to the Jews first, and also to the greek" refers back to Luke 24:44-48 where the disciples were to begin spreading the gospel of Salvation beginning in Jerusalem, which was predominantly Jews, but also there were greeks (i.e. a generalized way of referring to all non-Jews) there in Jerusalem as well.

Luke 24:
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

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Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

There is no separate "gospel of salvation". The expression does not exist in Scripture.

Salvation is integral to the "gospel of the kingdom", which Jesus preached.

Douggg · Mar 25, 2021

jgr said:
Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

There is no separate "gospel of salvation". The expression does not exist in Scripture.

Salvation is integral to the "gospel of the kingdom", which Jesus preached.

No one preached to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection, for atonement of your sins, and to have eternal life - until after the resurrection. None of the disciples understood those things - although Jesus spoke to the disciples concerning those things before hand.

In Luke 18:

31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

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Jews (Judaism) believe in the coming Kingdom of God, but they don't believe that they need to be saved, for atonement of their sins, and have eternal life.

BABerean2 · Mar 25, 2021

Douggg said:
The disciples were not spreading the gospel of Salvation, as they were not commissioned to spread the gospel of Salvation until after the resurrection and Jesus appearing to them and opened their understanding in Luke 24:44-48.

Are you saying there is more than one Gospel, no matter what Paul said in Galatians 1:6-9?

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Oseas · Mar 25, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Daniel 9:26 says the Messiah would be cut off "after" the 69 weeks, which could not be during the 69th week.
Daniel 9:24 is found fulfilled in Hebrews 10:16-18, and Acts of the Apostles 10:36-38.
In Romans 1:16 the Apostle Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people.
When was this period of time, and how long did it last?
The answer is found in Matthew 10:5-7, and Acts 10:36-38, and Galatians 1:14-18.

The point of the post you are replying is about the seventieth Daniel's week, that is the last week, which is within this current DECADE, the last DECADE of the Devil's world.

Therefore, the topic posted is tied to a false conception about the week 70th, the last Daniel's week, as whether the seventieth Daniel's week had fulfilled in the first century what is not true. It's a mistake, it's a lousy mistake. The events of the last Daniel's week-the week 70th- has nothing to do with is being suggested by the topic, but it has with Revelation 11:v.1-2 and 13:v.5, as follow:

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months - 1, 260 days - the first half of the seventieth Daniel's week.

Revelation 13:v.5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months - 1,260 days - the first half of the seventieth Daniel's week.

Please, try to reestudy the matter and finding God's Truth revealed in His Word - the Word is GOD.

BABerean2 said:
Dr. Kelly Varner reveals the fulfillment of Daniel chapter 9 during the first century:

Oh your source is not good, you should look for a true and revealing source like that that is pointed in John 16:v.12 to 15:
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Douggg · Mar 25, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Are you saying there is more than one Gospel, no matter what Paul said in Galatians 1:6-9?

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There is only one gospel of Salvation.

jgr · Mar 25, 2021

Douggg said:
There is only one gospel of Salvation.

Since "gospel of Salvation" does not exist in Scripture, you must mean "gospel of the kingdom", to which salvation is central and integral, and which Jesus preached.

Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Christian Gedge · Mar 25, 2021

The Gospel According to Daniel (12 minutes)

Douggg · Mar 26, 2021

jgr said:
Since "gospel of Salvation" does not exist in Scripture, you must mean "gospel of the kingdom", to which salvation is central and integral, and which Jesus preached.

The gospel of Salvation, also known as the gospel of Christ. There is only one way to be saved.

In the three passages you referenced to the gospel of the kingdom - those were before Jesus was crucified and rose again on the third day and appeared to the disciples in Luke 24:44-48, which they were commissioned to go to the nation to preach the gospel of salvation, the gospel of Christ, for forgiveness, atonement of sins.

jgr · Mar 26, 2021

Douggg said:
The gospel of Salvation, also known as the gospel of Christ. There is only one way to be saved.

In the three passages you referenced to the gospel of the kingdom - those were before Jesus was crucified and rose again on the third day and appeared to the disciples in Luke 24:44-48, which they were commissioned to go to the nation to preach the gospel of salvation, the gospel of Christ, for forgiveness, atonement of sins.

Jesus preached the "gospel of the kingdom". (Matthew 4:23; Matthew 9:35).

It included salvation. People were saved under Jesus' preaching.

It was also preached by the disciples. (Matthew 24:14)

It encompasses every other gospel mentioned in Scripture.

Because there is only one gospel. (Galatians 1:8-9)

Douggg · Mar 26, 2021

jgr said:
It included salvation. People were saved under Jesus' preaching.

Jesus had not died for the sins of mankind, nor rose from the grave until the third day. So how were they saved aforehand?

jgr · Mar 26, 2021

Douggg said:
Jesus had not died for the sins of mankind, nor rose from the grave until the third day. So how were they saved aforehand?

You don't think that the disciples were saved?

Douggg · Mar 26, 2021

jgr said:
You don't think that the disciples were saved?

You made a statement that people were saved during Jesus's preaching - and I asked you how they were saved before Jesus died for the sins of mankind, nor rose from the grave the third day?

Do you also think that the disciples were saved before Jesus died for the sins of mankind, nor rose from the grave the third day?

BABerean2 · Mar 26, 2021

Douggg said:
You made a statement that people were saved during Jesus's preaching - and I asked you how they were saved before Jesus died for the sins of mankind, nor rose from the grave the third day?

Do you also think that the disciples were saved before Jesus died for the sins of mankind, nor rose from the grave the third day?

Do you think John the Baptist was lost when he died?

Was he indwelled with the Holy Spirit in his mother's womb?

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Read Hebrews chapter 11, which says those before Calvary were saved by faith, even though they did not receive the promise during their lifetime. Their inheritance is now the city found in Hebrews 11:15-16.

They had faith in the Messiah that was promised to Abraham in Genesis 12:3.
This promise is found in Matthew 1:1, and confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.

Heb_11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Heb_11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Heb_11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Heb_11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Heb_11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Heb_11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Heb_11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

Heb_11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

Heb_11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of
them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Heb_11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Heb_11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

Heb_11:21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

Heb_11:22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

Heb_11:23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

Heb_11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

Heb_11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

Heb_11:28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

Heb_11:29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

Heb_11:30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

Heb_11:31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

Heb_11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

Heb_11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

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Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

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BABerean2 · Mar 26, 2021

Oseas said:
The point of the post you are replying is about the seventieth Daniel's week, that is the last week, which is within this current DECADE, the last DECADE of the Devil's world.

Therefore, the topic posted is tied to a false conception about the week 70th, the last Daniel's week, as whether the seventieth Daniel's week had fulfilled in the first century what is not true. It's a mistake, it's a lousy mistake.

What does the Bible say?

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Did Jesus Christ fulfill the above things during the first century?

Did He make reconciliation for "iniquity" and "sin" by fulfilling the New Covenant at Calvary?

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(The two verses above are quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Was Christ anointed as the most Holy Son of God during the first century?

Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

If Christ did not fulfill the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24 during the first century, He failed in His mission to be the Messiah promised in Isaiah chapter 53.

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Douggg · Mar 26, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Do you think John the Baptist was lost when he died?

You guys have a hard time answering questions, don't you? Instead, you come back with other questions, hoping that some how will make your original statement, correct. It won't.

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Jesus during the three days in the grave, went into the place of the dead and set the captives free.

No one was saved prior to Jesus shedding his blood for the atonement of their sins.

Douggg · Mar 26, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Did Jesus Christ fulfill the above things during the first century?

No. But you refuse to recognize the vision that Daniel and Gabriel referred to in v.21-24.

You don't acknowledge Ezekiel 39, Jesus Himself speaking in the text of v21-29.

You don't acknowledge that Israel over there is the fulfillment of prophecy.

You don't acknowledge the only way to be saved is by the shed blood of Jesus.

All that matters to you guys is the advancement of the man-made doctrines of New Covenant and Covenant theology groups.

Douggg · Mar 26, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Read Hebrews chapter 11, which says those before Calvary were saved by faith, even though they did not receive the promise during their lifetime. Their inheritance is now the city found in Hebrews 11:15-16.

It doesn't say saved in those verses.

No one was saved prior to Jesus shedding his blood for the atonement of their sins.

There were many who had faith in God, and multitudes were considered "righteous" before then. But they were not saved. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

No one was saved prior to Jesus shedding his blood for the atonement of their sins.

It is amazing to me that you believe that people can be saved apart from the gospel of Christ.

BABerean2 · Mar 26, 2021

Douggg said:
It is amazing to me that you believe that people can be saved apart from the gospel of Christ.

It is amazing to me that you think John the Baptist was lost, even though he had the Holy Spirit since he was in the womb.

When do you expect John the Baptist to be saved?

He jumped for joy in his mother's womb, when he found out the Good News that his aunt Mary was pregnant with the Messiah which was soon to be born.

What did Jesus expect Nicodemus to know?

Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Nicodemus should have known what is found in the verse below.

Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

When do you expect Moses to be saved?

When do you expect Abraham to be saved?

Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

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Douggg · Mar 26, 2021

BABerean2 said:
t is amazing to me that you think John the Baptist was lost, even though he had the Holy Spirit since he was in the womb.

This is one of the things I hate. Putting words into my mouth to create a
false impression.

Luke 7:
28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-7-28/

BABerean2 said:
When do you expect Moses to be saved?

Moses was saved when he received the gospel of Christ.

There is only one way to be saved. Not multiple ways as you are claiming.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-7-28/

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