Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

Nathan@work · Mar 25, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure no problem here you go, what do you think these scriptures are saying *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172? Do you know what good and evil is or sin and righteousness?

What happened after mankind sinned and ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

Hope this is helpful

I think you might have edited out part of your response that answered my question? I couldn't find where you underlined our ability to know good and evil in the passages you are quoting.

Anyways, do I know? I know God is good and righteous(among a lot of other things), and so I know that He can show me whatever it is I need to know.

[Mat 6:9-13 ESV] Pray then like this: "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

I know that when I ask Him to give me good food, and keep my feet from evil, He will do it. That is all I need to know.

There was a time when I thought that I knew what was good and evil myself. But I have learned since then that I am corrupt, living in a body of death, and so I cannot see rightly - but He can.

As to your question about what happened after mankind ate of the tree - they died. That is what happened. They knew good and evil and because of that they died.

Do you not agree with that?

[Gen 2:16-17 ESV] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

Do you think the serpent was actually telling the truth?

[Gen 3:4-5 ESV] But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Here's the part of a previous post that contains the original question

When it comes to tithing, once you give God the 10%, does the 90% belong to you? (Gross income or net, not really important for the question. Just the general idea )

Similarly, talking about the Sabbath, I think Isaiah says to turn our foot from doing our own pleasure. So if we honor God's Sabbath, will he then bless our activities the other 6 days when we turn our foot to our own pleasure?

Would you mind clarifying this question "Is there work that you do that you do just for yourself, and that God has no part in?" I don't understand it and how it doesn't relate to my previous post. Maybe you can elaborate.

Regarding tithing it is on our net income. Anything that is of profit 10% goes to God. So if you tithe on net and receive a tax refund you tithe 10% on that, but if you tithe on your gross earning you do not need to tithe on 10% of the refund as you already paid it, but tithing more than 10% is never a bad thing if you are able.

There are many promises in the Bible telling us we are blessed when obeying. Here are just a few:

You are blessed with the Holy Spirit:
Acts 5:32 And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

We are justified when we obey:
Romans 2:13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

God hears us when we obey:
John 9:31 We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him.

Isaiah 1:19 “If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
Isaiah 48:18 “If only you had paid attention to My commandments!
Then your well-being would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

The promise of eternal life:

Ezekiel 18:21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Revelations 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Promises when you keep the Sabbath commandment:

God blessed the seventh day from Creation. The seventh day carries God's blessing.

Genesis 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. Sabbath will continue forever as it is a perpetual covenant Isaiah 66:23

God promises a blessing of joy for Sabbath keeping:

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,

We are blessed for Sabbath keeping
Isaiah 56:2–9

Security in that God knows us through keeping His Sabbath
Ezekiel 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

We are sanctified though keeping His Sabbath
Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Jesus’ promise to each of us is, “Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near” (Revelation 1:3)

I do not obey God for the blessings. He does want to bless each of us. My obedience to Him is because of His great sacrifice for us. To not accept His sacrifice by turning away from sin and obeying Him is how we show God our love. In return He promises to bless us and I have been blessed so much.

Here is a couple sermons from my pastor on the Sabbath, if you have a moment I would check them out.

Nathan@work · Mar 25, 2021

imge said:
There are many promises in the Bible telling us we are blessed when obeying. Here are just a few:

The promise of eternal life:

Ezekiel 18:21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Revelations 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

I think it is great when people are being led by God, doing what pleases Him.

What I do not understand is when the little twists get thrown into it.

Most notably is the one above.

Are you saying that eternal life is a blessing we receive because of our obedience?

If so, then are you insinuating that without the type of obedience, you have, eternal life is not given as a blessing?

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

Nathan@work said:
I think it is great when people are being led by God, doing what pleases Him.

What I do not understand is when the little twists get thrown into it.

Most notably is the one above.

Are you saying that eternal life is a blessing we receive because of our obedience?

If so, then are you insinuating that without the type of obedience, you have, eternal life is not given as a blessing?

You must be confusing my words with the scripture I was posting, some from the mouth of Jesus. These are not my words, you can find each verse refence in my post which you are referring to.

Nathan@work · Mar 25, 2021

imge said:
You must be confusing my words with the scripture I was posting, some from the mouth of Jesus. These are not my words, you can find each verse refence in my post which you are referring to.

No, I quoted your post.

I just want to know if people only get the blessings you speak of if they obey as you do?

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

Nathan@work said:
No, I quoted your post.

I just want to know if people only get the blessings you speak of if they obey as you do?

You quoted my post and then quoted 3 scriptures like they were my words. I will let those scriptures speak for themselves.

Also, the scripture is more than one dimensional. So are the promises. You can't stop at one verse because it agrees with your lifestyle. It's wiser to take all scripture in and each message builds on the previous. It doesn't stop at believe and that's all you have to do. It doesn't stop at just grace either. Those are baby Christians, we are meant to really study the scriptures for greater understanding. God gives us the Holy Spirit when we obey so we have greater understanding of scripture when you seek God with all your heart and want to do His will.

Nathan@work · Mar 25, 2021

imge said:
You quoted my post and then quoted 3 scriptures like they were my words. I will let those scriptures speak for themselves.

Also, the scripture is more than one dimensional. So are the promises. You can't stop at one verse because it agrees with your lifestyle. It's wiser to take all scripture in and each message builds on the previous. It doesn't stop at believe and that's all you have to do. It doesn't stop at just grace either. Those are baby Christians, we are meant to study the scriptures for greater understanding. God gives us the Holy Spirit when we obey so we have greater understanding of scripture when you seek God with all your heart and want to do His will.

So is that a yes or no?

I'll answer for myself - no, someone does not have to obey God as I do in order to receive the blessings He gives. However, they do need to obey where He leads them personally in order to receive the blessings.

I just wanted to know how you felt about it because when I read your post it made me think you were saying they had to obey as you do in order to have the blessings you put in your post.

Leaf473 · Mar 25, 2021

imge said:
Would you mind clarifying this question "Is there work that you do that you do just for yourself, and that God has no part in?" I don't understand it and how it doesn't relate to my previous post. Maybe you can elaborate.

Thank you for talking about your job, and I'm glad that you have the Sabbath off.

The commandment about the Sabbath talks about how we have six days to do our work, and on the seventh day we do no work. Or, as Jesus made it sound, imo, the seventh day is for doing God's work.

So, when you go to your job, are you doing your work or God's work?

imge said:
Regarding tithing it is on our net income. Anything that is of profit 10% goes to God. So if you tithe on net and receive a tax refund you tithe 10% on that, but if you tithe on your gross earning you do not need to tithe on 10% of the refund as you already paid it, but tithing more than 10% is never a bad thing if you are able.

In a similar fashion to what I was saying about the days of the week, after you have donated 10% to your church, do you think of the remaining 90% as yours to spend however you wish as long as it is in line with God's commandments?

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

Nathan@work said:
So is that a yes or no?

I'll answer for myself - no, someone does not have to obey God as I do in order to receive the blessings He gives. However, they do need to obey where He leads them personally in order to receive the blessings.

I just wanted to know how you felt about it because when I read your post it made me think you were saying they had to obey as you do in order to have the blessings you put in your post.

You're welcome to believe as you wish, God gives us free will. That's the key your missing, you seem to think all you have to do is believe in God and He will keep you from sinning, you do not have to do anything. The scriptures disagree with this so I will continue to believe scriptures. What we say is immaterial it is what we do (our actions) that define who we are.

Jesus’ promise to each of us is, “Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep (action) those things which are written in it; for the time is near” (Revelation 1:3)

Romans 2:13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers (action) of the Law will be justified

Ezekiel 18:21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does (action) what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Revelations 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Acts 5:32 And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Ezekiel 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,

Nathan@work · Mar 25, 2021

imge said:
You're welcome to believe as you wish, God gives us free will. That's the key your missing, you seem to think all you have to do is believe in God and He will keep you from sinning, you do not have to do anything. The scriptures disagree with this so I will continue to believe scriptures. What we say is immaterial it is what we do (our actions) that define who we are.

Jesus’ promise to each of us is, “Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep (action) those things which are written in it; for the time is near” (Revelation 1:3)

Romans 2:13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers (action) of the Law will be justified

Ezekiel 18:21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does (action) what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Revelations 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Acts 5:32 And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Ezekiel 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,

No, I do not think that we do 'nothing'. We obey Him.

But the question remains, do we have to obey Him the same way you do in order to have His blessings?

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Thank you for talking about your job, and I'm glad that you have the Sabbath off.

The commandment about the Sabbath talks about how we have six days to do our work, and on the seventh day we do no work. Or, as Jesus made it sound, imo, the seventh day is for doing God's work.

So, when you go to your job, are you doing your work or God's work? [/QUOTE]
We should give glory to God on everything we do, but God gives us six days to do whatever work we need to get done during the week. Working a job, doing household chores, working out, running errands. We should do everything in six days and use Friday as the preparation day for God's Holy Sabbath (like the majority of cooking etc., washing dishes so you have clean plates for Sabbath etc.)

[/QUOTE] In a similar fashion to what I was saying about the days of the week, after you have donated 10% to your church, do you think of the remaining 90% as yours to spend however you wish as long as it is in line with God's commandments?[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are free to use your money however you wish as long as it is not used to disobey God (gambling, vanity etc.) I was guilty of this previously before giving myself over to God. I used to spend an obscene amount of money on handbags. I ended up selling almost all of them (will sell the rest after I get them repaired). While I can still afford a designer handbag, it is not the message I want to give to the world, worldly things do not mean anything to me anymore. I much rather live a modest lifestyle, so I can dedicate more time to God instead of trying to maintain a certain lifestyle. I am so much happier now that I have been freed of material things. No purse, no designer car made me happy or at peace. I would much rather give any extra monies to my church or a charity to help spread Gods Word.

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

Nathan@work said:
No, I do not think that we do 'nothing'. We obey Him.

But the question remains, do we have to obey Him the same way you do in order to have His blessings?

We should obey God the way He asked and Jesus reiterated.

Nathan@work · Mar 25, 2021

imge said:
Should obey Him the way God asked and Jesus reiterated.

So I take it that its a no from you?

We do not have to obey Him like you do, but obey Him like He wants us to? Right?

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

Nathan@work said:
So I take it that its a no from you?

We do not have to obey Him like you do, but obey Him like He wants us to? Right?

I am not looking to argue and almost every post you seem to take issue with, I am fine with that, but it's just not fruitful for me to continue. I stated my case based on scripture over and over, at this point there is not much more to say or that we are going to agree on. God bless

Nathan@work · Mar 25, 2021

imge said:
I am not looking to argue and almost every post you seem to take issue with, I am fine with that, but it's just not fruitful for me to continue. I stated my case based on scripture over and over, there is not much more to say. God bless

I am not looking to argue either. I just was trying to make sure I was not misunderstanding you.

I assume from your unwillingness to answer the question that I was correct about my thoughts.

Honestly imge, I do not think you mean to say the things you do - but as you have pointed out before - we do the things that we believe. That is so true.

God does not call each of us to look at the other person in how we obey Him. He calls us to follow Him - Him leading us by His Spirit.

When we do that, all of us doing that, then we all are following His laws because He will never lead us contrary to them.

Don't judge another based on how the Spirit is leading them - just because it does not look like they are doing the same things you are. Only God can see the heart of man and only we know what He is telling us personally.

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

The Spirit only leads you to the Truth, so if the spirit is telling you "you do not need to keep sabbath" or "it's okay to tell a little lie" or whatever sin the spirit is leading you to break God's laws that is from "the other" spirit, not God's Holy Spirit. Much like in the garden of Eden. Keeping God's laws is how we know we have the right Spirit, the Holy Spirit according to scriptures.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Acts 5:32 And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Nathan@work · Mar 25, 2021

imge said:
The Spirit only leads you to the Truth, so if the spirit is telling you "you do not need to keep sabbath" or "it's okay to tell a little lie" or whatever sin the spirit is leading you to break God's laws that is from "the other" spirit, not God's Holy Spirit. Much like in the garden of Eden. Keeping God's laws is how we know we have the right spirit, the Holy Spirit according to scriptures.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Acts 5:32 And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Faith is how we know we have God's Spirit. Without Faith, it is impossible to please God - regardless of how many laws you think you obey. Faith will never tell you disobedience is ok.

What I am saying is that what He leads you to do is not always going to be the exact thing He leads me to do, or anyone else.

That means, how you keep the Sabbath is not always going to be how I keep it.

The same as, how you love God(the greatest commandment) is not always going to look the same as how I love God.

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

There is only one truth.

Nathan@work · Mar 25, 2021

imge said:
There is only one Truth.

There is only one God.

SabbathBlessings · Mar 25, 2021

Nathan@work said:
There is only one God.

And our God only wrote one scripture with His own finger in the entire Bible that He also spoke, and that we are told is eternal.

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