What are the signs of a saved person?

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In Acts 15 the apostles and elders came together to addresses the set of OT commandments that were to be placed on Gentile believers. The result of that conference is the letter addressed to Gentile believers in Acts 15:23-29 NKJV - termed the Jerusalem Doctrine. Hallowing the Sabbath did not make the list.


Acts 15:23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Farewell.​

There are 1,050 commandments in the NT, so if those four laws were an exhaustive list of everything that would ever be required of mature believers, then that that would exclude over 99% of the commandments in the NT, including the greatest two commandments. However, the list loses all power to limit which laws Gentiles should follow the moment you try to say that other laws were obviously included. Clearly, it was not intended as exhaustive listed for mature believers, but as stated it was a list intended not to make things too difficult for new believers, which they excused in Acts 15:21 by saying that they would continue to learn about how to obey Moses each Sabbath in the synagogues.
 
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Yes they will. If your not obeying the Spirit then your grieving Him.

I believe that those who are doing that know it.
If you have the positioning to grieve the Holy Spirit, ... then you are in His care.

Parents are not grieved by the actions of others' children ...
 
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Sorry, I didn't see where you asked that question, but yes, I follow the Mosaic Law. Even when the law was first given to Moses, there was not a single person who was required to keep every single law, and not even Jesus kept the laws in regard to having a period or giving birth. Some laws were only for the King, the High Priest, priests, judges, men, women, children, widows, those who are married, those who have servants, those who have animals, those who have crops, those who have tzaraat, those living in the land, and those who are strangers living among them, while others were given to everyone. If someone is not a woman, then they are not required to follow the laws that have that as a condition, and the same is true if someone does not own an ox. A good portion of the laws was given to govern the conduct of the priests.

So understanding how to law applies to us today is a matter of careful study, prayer, and leading of the Spirit. However, if we believe that God's law was given for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13), then we will have have the attitude of looking for reasons why we have the delight of getting to obey God's laws rather than the attitude of looking for reasons to avoid following God's guidance.

Thank you, you are the first person here to acknowledge all the law when they mention keeping it. So I assume you try and keep each one that you can?

Bit hard for Jesus to keep the law regarding periods and birth since he was a man...

As a Christian I follow the New Testament.
Matthew 22
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
I don't believe we are under Old Testament law at all.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
 
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In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law, so that is a sign that the Spirit produces.
Paul says that believers have been FREED from the necessity of the observance of the Mosaic Law ...

But now we have been RELEASED from the LAW because we have died to that in which we were held so that we might serve in newness of the spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:6).

John 1:17 For the LAW was given by MOSES, ... but GRACE and truth came by JESUS CHRIST.

Such is in accord with the establishment of a NEW COVENANT, ... based upon GRACE, rather than the LAW

Hebrews 8

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that FIRST COVENANT, no place would have been sought for another.
...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the FIRST COVENANT.

Jeremiah 31:31-34

“Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, NOT LIKE the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
 
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1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
Agree ... the children of God WILL practice SOME DEGREE of righteousness ... and will accomplish LOVE for his neighbor ... to, at least, SOME EXTENT ...
 
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Thank you, you are the first person here to acknowledge all the law when they mention keeping it. So I assume you try and keep each one that you can?

Bit hard for Jesus to keep the law regarding periods and birth since he was a man...

The Israelites were given instructions for what to do once they had entered the land before they had entered it, so the is nothing wrong with not following laws that can't be followed. Likewise, when the Israelites were in exile in Babylon, the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to the Mosaic Law, which required them to have access to the temple, which they did not have access to while they wer in exile, so if we can't follow a particular law, then we should nevertheless be faithful to obey as much as we can.

As a Christian I follow the New Testament.
Matthew 22
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
I don't believe we are under Old Testament law at all.

While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same laws for how to testify about His nature. Jesus is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his actions by setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and he did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine his own nature or anything that be spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the same law (Jeremiah 31:33).

In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus was not asked about which laws should still be followed, but about what the greatest commandment is, which implies that there are still other commandments that are not the greatest. There are a number of laws that appear to conflict, such as when priests are command both to rest on the Sabbath and to make offerings on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10), however, it was not the case that they were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commands no matter what they chose to do, but that one of the commands was greater than the other, and the lesser command was never intended to be used as an excuse to avoid obeying the greater command, which is why Jesus ruled that priest who performed their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent (Matthew 12:5-7), and why Jesus ruled that it was lawful to heal on the Sabbath. All of the commandments that God has given are examples of what it looks like to love God and our neighbors, which is why Jesus said that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so they are all connected. For example, obedience to the command to help the poor looks like obedience to God's command to love our neighborhood, so the command to love does not replace the other commands, but rather it is the essence of them. If someone's obedience to the greatest two commandments does not look like obedience to the command to help the poor and all of God's other commandments, then they are not treating the greatest two as being the sun of the other commandments.


Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

The law that this verse describes us not being under is a law where sin was our master, which does not describe the Mosaic Law, which is a law where holiness, righteousness, and goodness is our master (Romans 7:12), but rather it is the law of sin where sin was our master. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are free to sin, and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so we are still under it.
 
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Paul says that believers have been FREED from the necessity of the observance of the Mosaic Law ...

But now we have been RELEASED from the LAW because we have died to that in which we were held so that we might serve in newness of the spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:6).

John 1:17 For the LAW was given by MOSES, ... but GRACE and truth came by JESUS CHRIST.

Such is in accord with the establishment of a NEW COVENANT, ... based upon GRACE, rather than the LAW

Hebrews 8

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that FIRST COVENANT, no place would have been sought for another.
...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the FIRST COVENANT.

Jeremiah 31:31-34

“Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, NOT LIKE the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

This is a WONDERFUL POST! Everyone should read it more than once!
 
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Hello @Neostarwcc, here's one of the signs that someone is a true believer.

A. W. Pink - absense of sin, grieving over it.jpg
 
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This is a WONDERFUL POST! Everyone should read it more than once!
Paul says that believers have been FREED from the necessity of the observance of the Mosaic Law ...

But now we have been RELEASED from the LAW because we have died to that in which we were held so that we might serve in newness of the spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:6).

In Romans 7:22-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's law, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive. If Romans 7:5-6 were referring to God's law, then that would mean that Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death and in being held captive, which is absurd, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.

John 1:17 For the LAW was given by MOSES, ... but GRACE and truth came by JESUS CHRIST.

In John 1:16, it says grace upon grace, so the grace of Christ was added upon the grace of the Mosaic Law. Verse 17 does not contain the word "but", so both are listed as examples of grace.

Such is in accord with the establishment of a NEW COVENANT, ... based upon GRACE, rather than the LAW

Graciousness and righteousness have always been compatible character traits of the same God, which he expressed throughout both the NT and the OT. For example, in Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, so the Mosaic Covenant was also based on grace, while in Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant still involves following God's law, so it is also based on law.

Hebrews 8

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that FIRST COVENANT, no place would have been sought for another.
...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Hebrews 8:6-13 does not describe the problem that God found as being with His law, but rather the problem that he found was with the people for not keeping it, so He established the New Covenant where he would put His law in our minds and write it on our hears so that this time we would obey it (Hebrews 8:10). So while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, God's eternal law did not become obsolete along with it.

Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the FIRST COVENANT.

Sin is the transgression of God's law, so being set free from sin is living in obedience to God's law.

Jeremiah 31:31-34

“Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, NOT LIKE the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, he did not hypocritically preach something other than what He practiced, and he did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word or by example, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the same law (Jeremiah 31:33). In wouldn't make sense to think that the New Covenant involves refusing to follow anything that Jesus taught.
 
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There are 1,050 commandments in the NT, so if those four laws were an exhaustive list of everything that would ever be required of mature believers, then that that would exclude over 99% of the commandments in the NT, including the greatest two commandments. However, the list loses all power to limit which laws Gentiles should follow the moment you try to say that other laws were obviously included. Clearly, it was not intended as exhaustive listed for mature believers, but as stated it was a list intended not to make things too difficult for new believers, which they excused in Acts 15:21 by saying that they would continue to learn about how to obey Moses each Sabbath in the synagogues.
Acts 15:21 was not in the letter to the Gentiles concerning Jewish traditions, like Circumcision and Keeping the Law Acts 15:21 is a statement of "what is" stated by James who dealt with Jewish believers. The fact that the Sabbath was discussed by the Apostles and Elders and not included in any fashion in the letter to the Gentiles proves my point. Acts 15:24 states the context of the letter:

Acts 15:24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—
 
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Acts 15:21 was not in the letter to the Gentiles concerning Jewish traditions, like Circumcision and Keeping the Law Acts 15:21 is a statement of "what is" stated by James who dealt with Jewish believers. The fact that the Sabbath was discussed by the Apostles and Elders and not included in any fashion in the letter to the Gentiles proves my point. Acts 15:24 states the context of the letter:

Acts 15:24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—

In Acts 15:1, a group of non-believers from Judea was wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, which was teaching a false works-based salvation. Earning our salvation was never the purpose for which God commanded circumcision, so they were opposed in Acts 15:5 by believers from among the Pharisees, who argued that Gentiles needed to become circumcised and obey the Law of Moses, and because they were believers, this obedience was instead a matter of a faith-based salvation. The Jerusalem Council ruled in favor of the second group in opposition to the first group and no one there took the position that Gentiles shouldn't become circumcised or obey the Law of Moses. The Jerusalem Council didn't have the authority to countermand God even if they had wanted to do that. Jesus taught obedience to the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so if the Jerusalem had ruled against Gentiles obeying it, then that would have essentially being a ruling against Gentiles following Christ. In 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, so if the Jerusalem Council had ruled against Gentiles obeying the Mosaic Law, then they would have ruled that the commandments of God are too burdensome and that Gentiles shouldn't love God.
 
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In Acts 15:1, a group of non-believers from Judea was wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, which was teaching a false works-based salvation. Earning our salvation was never the purpose for which God commanded circumcision, so they were opposed in Acts 15:5 by believers from among the Pharisees, who argued that Gentiles needed to become circumcised and obey the Law of Moses, and because they were believers, this obedience was instead a matter of a faith-based salvation. The Jerusalem Council ruled in favor of the second group in opposition to the first group and no one there took the position that Gentiles shouldn't become circumcised or obey the Law of Moses.
The people in Acts 15:1 were of the same opinion as those in Acts 15:5 - both demanded that Gentile believers be Circumcised and Keep the Law. The Jerusalem Council ruled against those groups in the Jerusalem Decree (Acts 15:23-29).

The Jerusalem Council didn't have the authority to countermand God even if they had wanted to do that. Jesus taught obedience to the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so if the Jerusalem had ruled against Gentiles obeying it, then that would have essentially being a ruling against Gentiles following Christ. In 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, so if the Jerusalem Council had ruled against Gentiles obeying the Mosaic Law, then they would have ruled that the commandments of God are too burdensome and that Gentiles shouldn't love God.
The Jerusalem Council disagrees with you. Even though Peter heard everything Christ preach including "keep all things I have commanded you", he agreed with contents of the letter to the Gentiles in saying:
Acts 15:10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Later addition: Jesus did not put stock in many Jewish traditions going forward - so these traditions should not be conflated with His commandments. John 4:21-24 is an excellent example where He says "How" not "Where" you worship is important. If "where" you worship is not important, then why would "when" you worship be crucial (Saturday or Sunday)? Again, notice that the Jerusalem Decree makes no mention of the Sabbath. Jesus puts no importance on dietary laws in Matthew 15:10-11.

John 4:21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”​

Notice that the Jerusalem Decree does not demand Gentiles refrain from eating unclean foods (like bacon). This is supported in Peter's vision in Acts 10:9-15.
 
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I disagree.

If obedience to Gods laws is the sign of His gift then anytime someone sins they will question if they have His Spirit or not.

What that does is put focus on our ability rather than God. People begin to make a god out of laws. They worship the creation and not the creator. I’ve seen this a lot.
You should question if you have the Spirit or not and disobeying God's laws is like a mirror, if you can't see you're sinning than you can not see you are not of the Spirit. Jesus gives us the Spirit when we want to obey

John 14:
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
 
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In Acts 15:1, a group of non-believers from Judea was wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, which was teaching a false works-based salvation. Earning our salvation was never the purpose for which God commanded circumcision, so they were opposed in Acts 15:5 by believers from among the Pharisees, who argued that Gentiles needed to become circumcised and obey the Law of Moses, and because they were believers, this obedience was instead a matter of a faith-based salvation. The Jerusalem Council ruled in favor of the second group in opposition to the first group and no one there took the position that Gentiles shouldn't become circumcised or obey the Law of Moses. The Jerusalem Council didn't have the authority to countermand God even if they had wanted to do that. Jesus taught obedience to the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so if the Jerusalem had ruled against Gentiles obeying it, then that would have essentially being a ruling against Gentiles following Christ. In 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, so if the Jerusalem Council had ruled against Gentiles obeying the Mosaic Law, then they would have ruled that the commandments of God are too burdensome and that Gentiles shouldn't love God.
I meant to respond to @John Mullally but somehow grabbed your post, but I see this addresses his post to me earlier so thank you, saves me some writing. :) God bless
 
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Yes they will. If your not obeying the Spirit then your grieving Him.

I believe that those who are doing that know it.
You are also grieving God when you are disobeying Him. This how Jesus tells us we need to abide in His love: John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
 
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In Romans 7:22-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's law, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive. If Romans 7:5-6 were referring to God's law, then that would mean that Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death and in being held captive, which is absurd, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.



In John 1:16, it says grace upon grace, so the grace of Christ was added upon the grace of the Mosaic Law. Verse 17 does not contain the word "but", so both are listed as examples of grace.



Graciousness and righteousness have always been compatible character traits of the same God, which he expressed throughout both the NT and the OT. For example, in Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, so the Mosaic Covenant was also based on grace, while in Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant still involves following God's law, so it is also based on law.



Hebrews 8:6-13 does not describe the problem that God found as being with His law, but rather the problem that he found was with the people for not keeping it, so He established the New Covenant where he would put His law in our minds and write it on our hears so that this time we would obey it (Hebrews 8:10). So while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, God's eternal law did not become obsolete along with it.



Sin is the transgression of God's law, so being set free from sin is living in obedience to God's law.



Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, he did not hypocritically preach something other than what He practiced, and he did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word or by example, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the same law (Jeremiah 31:33). In wouldn't make sense to think that the New Covenant involves refusing to follow anything that Jesus taught.
Your responses here are scripturally refuted by Paul's teaching that the new covenant is by GRACE, THROUGH FAITH, ... and explicitly NOT OF WORKS.

Ephesians 2

8 For BY GRACE are ye saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus TO PERFORM GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Your salvation formulation has WORKS in the wrong place in the NEW COVENANT ... we are saved by GRACE through FAITH, ... and explicitly NOT BY WORKS, ... but to perform WORKS.

The SAVING comes BEFORE any WORKS, ... which is perfectly consistent biblically ... since it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God (in any way) without FAITH.

OTOH, ... FAITH ... pleases God ... and is counted for RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Romans 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

Your line of thought is EXACTLY why the letter was written to the HEBREW believers ... because they were tempted to GO BACK to the following of the MOSAIC LAW to access God's salvation. The letter clearly shows that following the MOSAIC LAW is futile as a way of accessing God's salvation ... because we cannot sufficiently attain perfection (God's behavior standard) in the keeping of the Law.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend on one point, he is guilty of all.

Also, the LAW was not given to SAVE US, ... it was given to TEACH US ... to SHOW US our failure and weakness in following and meeting God's expectations. Such recognition can then LEAD US to the true source of God's salvation ... JESUS CHRIST, through Whom salvation is gifted to ALL who believe on His name.

Galatians 3:24 "Wherefore the LAW was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED BY FAITH."

John 1

10 He (Christ) was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

For believers in Christ, the LAW has done what it was purposed to do (i.e. to bring us to Christ), ... and we can now go on to follow God in the SPIRIT.

Galatians 5

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

P.S. Every good Bible student knows that the general expression "The Law" always refers to the Mosaic Law. So much so that any use of the phraseology to mean any other law ... is CLEARLY delineated in scripture. So, ... as you say ... "the law of sin" ...
 
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You should question if you have the Spirit or not and disobeying God's laws is like a mirror, if you can't see you're sinning than you can not see you are not of the Spirit. Jesus gives us the Spirit when we want to obey

John 14:
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

So you are suggesting I question God if He has done what He said? What exactly do you think Faith is? Do you think that Faith is some self-made up belief? Why would I question the things I know? I do not expect you to answer any of those questions.

I know when I sin. There is no doubt in my mind or heart. It is painful. I do not compare my actions to the law in order to determine that - it is a known thing.

The receiving of the Spirit is not by works of man. Your idea that He comes only when we want to obey is illogical. We are at enmity toward God until we receive the Spirit - we do not want to obey or even know how to.

There are some who think they obey who actually do not have the Spirit. Some have the Spirit but have wandered away from the Faith actually desiring to be teachers of the law.

People who are devoid of the Spirit, or who have wandered away, and are trying to be righteous, do so by looking toward the law and determining for themselves what is good and what is evil.

We have to be taught. We have to be led. King David knew this and it is why he wanted God to teach him.
 
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You are also grieving God when you are disobeying Him. This how Jesus tells us we need to abide in His love: John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

If your grieving the Spirit, your grieving God. The Spirit is the One who God sends to be our Helper - to lead us. When you follow Him you will not go astray.

[Pro 3:5-6 ESV] Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.
 
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If your grieving the Spirit, your grieving God. The Spirit is the One who God sends to be our Helper - to lead us. When you follow Him you will not go astray.

[Pro 3:5-6 ESV] Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

It also requires OUR efforts, with the Help of the Holy Spirit only when we WANT to obey. We must make choices- its not as simple as I believe in God so therefore I can't sin. God gives us free will so we can choose to keep His Sabbath Holy or go shopping, we can choose to lie about something or tell the truth. God will give us the Holy Spirit to help point out sin and help to keep us from sinning when we ask, but it still requires OUR actions to do what's right or wrong on a daily basis.
 
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