Good news from Mt Athos

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BIO-ORTHODOXY: Monks of Mount Athos Begin to be Vaccinated

Monks of Mt Athos begin to be vaccinated. 400 doses of the Pfizer vaccines arrived on the 19th and vaccinations began immediately.

WHAT! According to many great teachers such as Peter Heers and Savvas Agioritis, the vaccines are of the Devil. If you accept one, you will be blotted out from the Book of Life. What is this devilry?!??
 
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Just celebrating good news. The sooner this happens, the sooner they can get back to normal, allow visitors, things of that nature.

You mean the Athonite monks have not been allowing visitors?!? They closed up due to a manufactured illness?! How can that be... is Athos not a Holy Place, wherein the faithful visitor will not be infected nor infect others under any circumstances?? They should have kept their doors open, if only to resist such schemes from worldly powers... it is clear they have sold out their faith for human rationalism. Incredible!
 
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Good for them. However, no one can step foot there without being allowed. It's a ready made quarantine. Do they have Covid on Mount Athos? Lord have mercy.
They had a couple outbreaks on there (starting March 2020) and have at times shut down - I don't know all the details and timelines, but I believe they've shut things down most recently since December. However, I haven't followed this that closely, not being a Greek-speaker.
 
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You mean the Athonite monks have not been allowing visitors?!? They closed up due to a manufactured illness?! How can that be... is Athos not a Holy Place, wherein the faithful visitor will not be infected under any circumstances?? They should have kept their doors open, if only to resist such schemes from worldly powers... it is clear they have sold out their faith for human rationalism. Incredible!
The truth is far more nuanced than either of the extreme camps can fathom or even know how to express, and the judgment of God is yet to be revealed.
 
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The truth is far more nuanced than either of the extreme camps can fathom or even know how to express, and the judgment of God is yet to be revealed.
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Crown of Creation
THE COVID-19 VACCINES AND ABORTED FETAL CELL LINES

The use of aborted fetal cell lines is an ongoing moral problem and all COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States at this time continue the promotion of abortion in their development and research. The media and various outlets have told the public that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are ethical because fetal cell lines are said to be used only in testing. However this judgement can only be justified through the previously described disoriented and humanistic cosmic-view. These two vaccines still use an aborted fetal cell line in testing and if one is to accept the “ethical” stance provided by our post-Christian culture, one must also concede to the continued use of cells originating from an aborted child. Orthodox Christians should not be complacent in this matter and should hold zero tolerance in the use of aborted children in research. In all cases, the COVID-19 vaccines available rely on this unfortunate and horrific crime. Below are the current vaccines available and their information14:

Moderna and Pfizer mRNA Vaccines
• Fetal cell line: The HEK293 cell line originated
from a healthy aborted female child in the 1970s,
age unknown.
• Did Moderna and Pfizer use the HEK293 fetal cell
line in research? Yes, they did in the research
and development of the vaccine. They used the
HEK293 cell line for testing the vaccine.

AstraZeneca Adenovirus-Vector-Based Vaccine
• Fetal cell line: The HEK293 cell line originated
from a healthy aborted female child in the 1970s,
age unknown.
• Did AstraZeneca use the HEK293 fetal cell line
in research? Yes, they did in the research and
development of the vaccine, as explained in
from July 2020 in Nature journal. To propagate
the virus in the HEK293 cells means to grow it
in them. They will need to do this in ongoing
manufacturing.
• Does AstraZeneca use the HEK293 fetal cell line in
manufacturing? Yes, see above, the viral vaccine
is propagated (grown) in the cell line.

Johnson & Johnson Adenovirus-Vector-Based Vaccine
• Fetal cell line: AdVac® technology uses PER.C6® cell line originating from a healthy 18-week-old aborted child.
• Did Johnson & Johnson use the PER.C6 fetal cell
line in research and production? Yes, they did in
the research and development of the vaccine,
as explained in July 2020 in Nature journal
and September 2020 also in Nature journal. To
propagate the virus in the PER.C6 cells means
to grow it in them. They will need to do this in
ongoing manufacturing.

CONCLUSION

St John Chrysostom clearly defined the ethical values of Christianity. It is clear that these are unchanging and the dominant culture today has adopted fundamentally different values, creating a climate that constantly bombards the Orthodox way of life. One can starkly perceive the contrast between these two worldviews, and the tension between them, when one considers how each places value on human life. God has maintained His Church in fullness as the “faith which hath made firm the whole world.”15 This means that the Orthodox Faith is not just a moral code or even a way of life, but it is the Truth on which all principles of life are founded and it concerns itself with the holistic healing of the human person. For the Orthodox Christian, homicide can never be seen as the source of man’s healing and it is fundamentally opposed to the principles of Faith, which hold the world firm. Biomedicine is furthering its use of abortion for research in the continual harvesting of the body parts of children, such as the newest cell line WALVAX 2 created in 2015 from the lung tissue of an aborted female.

Why do I feel snarkiness here?
It is likely snark. We all will will need to defend themselves before the Lord our God, and with these choices, state why we partook of abortion tested carved up organs of a baby, chopped up lungs, chopped up hearts, chopped up tongues, used for a 1% death rate virus. We will need to defend ourselves if we promote locking churches down for the good of secular authorities, defend ourselves if we state that the early Church Fathers are wrong and misinformed and "limited" because of time, defend ourselves if we state that the Theotokos and Jesus Christ evolved from monkeys, if we think that Bishops are infallible in innovations rather then responsible for upholding the faith once delivered, and all traditions from the Holy Fathers.

Homily on the Triumph of Orthodoxy, St. Ignatius (Brianchaninov)
From a Homily on the Sunday of the Triumph of Orthodoxy. St. Ignatius (Brianchaninov)

The word anathema means severance, rejection. When the Church anathematizes a teaching, it means that that teaching contains blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and for the sake of salvation it should be rejected and removed, as poison is removed from food. When a person is anathematized, it means that he has irreversibly adopted a blasphemous teaching, and through them deprives himself and those near him, to whom he has imparted his line of thought, of salvation. When a person has made the commitment to abandon the blasphemous teaching and to receive the teachings upheld in the Orthodox Church, he is obligated, according to the rules of the Orthodox Church, to anathematize the false teaching that he formerly upheld, which was destroying him, alienating him from God, keeping him locked in enmity against God, in blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and communion with satan.
 
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We all will will need to defend themselves before the Lord our God, and with these choices, state why we partook of abortion tested carved up organs of a baby, chopped up lungs, chopped up hearts, chopped up tongues, used for a 1% death rate virus. We will need to defend ourselves if we promote locking churches down for the good of secular authorities, defend ourselves if we state that the early Church Fathers are wrong and misinformed and "limited" because of time, defend ourselves if we state that the Theotokos and Jesus Christ evolved from monkeys.
This is not necessarily true. In the dread judgment there will be no such "defending". We will either be found to be Love, or will otherwise found to be "not Love", and plenty of people who are of the latter group think they are among the righteous on the basis of not ascribing to these things you depict here.
 
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You mean the Athonite monks have not been allowing visitors?!? They closed up due to a manufactured illness?! How can that be... is Athos not a Holy Place, wherein the faithful visitor will not be infected nor infect others under any circumstances?? They should have kept their doors open, if only to resist such schemes from worldly powers... it is clear they have sold out their faith for human rationalism. Incredible!
It's almost like all these virus conspiracy theorists are the product of the American political system who had a political agenda rather than a religious one. Weird......
 
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It's almost like all these virus conspiracy theorists are the product of the American political system who had a political agenda rather than a religious one. Weird......
Can't take seriously doctors or "especialists" who said protesting for BLM was more important than the pandemic
 
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You mean the Athonite monks have not been allowing visitors?!? They closed up due to a manufactured illness?! How can that be... is Athos not a Holy Place, wherein the faithful visitor will not be infected nor infect others under any circumstances?? They should have kept their doors open, if only to resist such schemes from worldly powers... it is clear they have sold out their faith for human rationalism. Incredible!
Grace conveying aspects of the Spirit authored worship in the Church cannot transmit the disease any more than the hem of Christ's garment will. Athos itself is not these aspects, and so it can be appropriate to use measures to protect people from getting sick. Why show such irreverence to our Holy things and to the piety of Holy elders? I will kiss an icon of the most Holy Theotokos even if a known carrier if the disease has kissed it immediately before me, and I will kiss it in the exact same spot, because of what God has revealed to me as a gift by the Holy Spirit about this act of veneration and the Life-giving power it conveys. There's a great reason we have a Sunday of Orthodoxy Feast in the Church. The Holy one's of the Church know the importance of it because they too were taught by the Holy Spirit. Let's try to be careful in how we are seeing things please.
 
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Grace conveying aspects of the Spirit authored worship in the Church cannot transmit the disease any more than the hem of Christ's garment will. Athos itself is not these aspects, and so it can be appropriate to use measures to protect people from getting sick. Why show such irreverence to our Holy things and to the piety of Holy elders? I will kiss an icon of the most Holy Theotokos even if a known carrier if the disease has kissed it immediately before me, and I will kiss it in the exact same spot, because of what God has revealed to me as a gift by the Holy Spirit about this act of veneration and the Life-giving power it conveys. There's a great reason we have a Sunday of Orthodoxy Feast in the Church. The Holy one's of the Church know the importance of it because they too were taught by the Holy Spirit. Let's try to be careful in how we are seeing things please.

agreed. you can't get sick from the great Physician. but we certainly can get sick from other stuff and we should be smart, without falling into any extreme.
 
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Thank you for proving my point.
How did he prove your point? The fact that everyone forgot about the pandemic when political concerns demanded it only shows the political motivation of those in favor of all the measures.
 
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