Why do people even want to put evolution in the equation?

Gottservant said:

Evolution is a theory of "disinterest" - that is, people choose the theory, because they are disinterested in God and His causing.

What we have to remember, as I stated in the thread "What will Evolutionist Gentiles, trust, in Jesus?" is that sooner or later, Evolutionists are going to trust something.

They may provoke themselves or challenge God, but if they trust something, they will be implicitly trusting something that God created - if we are just patient and trust in God, then we will have an opportunity to build on the trust the have in what God created.

This has vexed me for a long time and I have been ridiculed quite a lot, for trying to give Evolution a layman's meaning - and that's where my faith is at, at the moment: I want them to trust more, but I can't force it.

The alternative, is that we just focus on God, giving Him continual praise, for what He has Created - if we do that to the end of our lives, we won't have been distracted, by the continual contest as to whom has "favour" and who does not.

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Nice big strawman, I accept evolution because I marvel at what it has created, what god used to create everything on earth. The way that it is capable of creating the myriad of life on this planet, the way everything is all connected.

The evidence for evolution is too strong to ignore, and all that the creationists have is strawman, lies, misrepresentations and so on. I've said it here many times, I reject creationists arguments because I know the actual facts of evolution and they are not arguing against it.

disciple Clint said:

Truthfully it takes more faith to believe in evolution than to believe in God. I can see some evidence for micro but macro no evidence exists that I am aware of anyway.

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Well what you think and know doesn't equal what is. you guys have yet to explain why the fossil record that fits so perfectly the tree of life that was formed before we had the fossils. Best examples dinosaurs if birds didn't evolve from dinosaurs, why are the only feathered animals we ever find dinosaurs. We even found that amber dinosaur a while back. The finding of feathered dinosaurs alone destroys any creationists argument about micro vs macro.

Trev T said:

Why does this impossible process, with impossible odds, seem so rational to this new breed of Christians? It's growing, and it might be blasphemy. Aren't they calling God a liar?

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We are not calling God a liar. Creationists have misunderstood Genesis. Evolution fits the creation account once you take out the 7 24 hour day nonsense.

disciple Clint said:

Truthfully it takes more faith to believe in evolution than to believe in God. I can see some evidence for micro but macro no evidence exists that I am aware of anyway.

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Evolution is not a belief, its a scientific fact.

KomatiiteBIF said:

I think it is young earthers that are the ones calling God a liar.

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The young earthers whole belief is built upon the lie that each day in Genesis is 24 hours long. Gods word does not state how long each day in genesis is. Careful study of Genesis clearly shows each day is a long period of time.

It's been over a 100 yrs and still cant be proved Evolution discounts Genesis Therefore, some are for it and will continue because they can't bring themselves to give God credit for what only He could do.

tturt said:

Evolution discounts Genesis Therefore, some are for it.

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Evolution fits with the Genesis account.

Does evolution and creation have to be mutually exclusive?
What if God created the big bang, directed the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, orchestrated volcano's to create and uncreate ice ages, warmed to globe to create tropical plants in the antarctic, ( fossils of these and mammals found there ) along with evidence of the sahara once being green, caused mega tsunami's by metior strikes to wipe out ancient civilisations, every ancient civilisation has apocolyptic flood stories where they were washed up on mountain tops, which has archaeological and geological proof, the huge fossilised boat found at the top of mount arat, and fossilised remains of mammals and sea creatures found in the same sedimentary fossilised place.

But if we are to believe genesis to be a 100% accurate, then we have to ignore the evidence of skeleton remains of the progression of early man, unless you are willing to believe they were a different species to us,
or a hybrid / celestial being, and even then, what about the dinosaurs? No mention of them in the bible, how do creationist account for them?
Either way, I wasn't there at the time, but I can't ignored the evidence that my 21st C brain and eyes have seen and understood.

Trev T said:

Why does this impossible process, with impossible odds, seem so rational to this new breed of Christians? It's growing, and it might be blasphemy. Aren't they calling God a liar?

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Yes, of course, they are calling God a liar.

This is normal, however, for the closer we get toward the end, the more people there will be who claim the faith but don't keep it.

Their faith is in the traditions of men, in science falsely so called, but never in what God has already said.

May the Lord soon come. Amen.

Evolution is like what Jesus describe in Matthew 12.

But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.

It (evolution) along with the other junk that has worked its way into the visible church (and i guess even with the true invisible church). satan knows how to render the church ineffective divide it, which has been in the works for years. But may increase as time closes in on the tribulation.

Trev T said:

Why does this impossible process, with impossible odds, seem so rational to this new breed of Christians? It's growing, and it might be blasphemy. Aren't they calling God a liar?

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No. They are calling what they have been told, a lie.

Evolution was created by certain scientifically inclined minds that wished to try to explain what many in the pulpits failed to discover. Why we find prehistoric fossil records.

If more Christian teachers were able to rightly interpret the first chapter of Genesis from the Hebrew text, the evolutionists would not have felt free as they did to try to explain using the theory of evolution.

Its a shame how we lost so much credibility because of ignorance of the Word of God.

Genesis 1:2 (in the Hebrew) reveals a DESTROYED creation that was being replaced by a new heavens and earth.

Believe:

God just created humanity.- One leap of faith.

God led evolution/evolution theory- Leap of faith at every missing link from single cell to human being.

People will believe what they want to.

Each will justify that belief.

Trev T said:

Why does this impossible process, with impossible odds, seem so rational to this new breed of Christians? It's growing, and it might be blasphemy. Aren't they calling God a liar?

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The fact that you don’t understand a concept doesn’t make it impossible. There is fare more hard evidence for evolution than a young earth.

Toro said:

Believe:

God just created humanity.- One leap of faith.

God led evolution/evolution theory- Leap of faith at every missing link from single cell to human being.

People will believe what they want to.

Each will justify that belief.

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Many believe what they want to.
A few will believe what they know they have to.

Abide with me. said:

Does evolution and creation have to be mutually exclusive?
What if God created the big bang, directed the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, orchestrated volcano's to create and uncreate ice ages, warmed to globe to create tropical plants in the antarctic, ( fossils of these and mammals found there ) along with evidence of the sahara once being green, caused mega tsunami's by metior strikes to wipe out ancient civilisations, every ancient civilisation has apocolyptic flood stories where they were washed up on mountain tops, which has archaeological and geological proof, the huge fossilised boat found at the top of mount arat, and fossilised remains of mammals and sea creatures found in the same sedimentary fossilised place.

But if we are to believe genesis to be a 100% accurate, then we have to ignore the evidence of skeleton remains of the progression of early man, unless you are willing to believe they were a different species to us,
or a hybrid / celestial being, and even then, what about the dinosaurs? No mention of them in the bible, how do creationist account for them?
Either way, I wasn't there at the time, but I can't ignored the evidence that my 21st C brain and eyes have seen and understood.

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As I always ask people, can you not see God operating in the birth of a child? It is a natural occurance that can be studied and understood through science, and yet God is most certainly present.

God most certainly can use natural processes to bring about creation.

Religiot said:

Yes, of course, they are calling God a liar.

This is normal, however, for the closer we get toward the end, the more people there will be who claim the faith but don't keep it.

Their faith is in the traditions of men, in science falsely so called, but never in what God has already said.

May the Lord soon come. Amen.

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Which part of the faith do people who believe in evolution not keep?

genez said:

Many believe what they want to.
A few will believe what they know they have to.

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What?

genez said:

No. They are calling what they have been told, a lie.

Evolution was created by certain scientifically inclined minds that wished to try to explain what many in the pulpits failed to discover. Why we find prehistoric fossil records.

If more Christian teachers were able to rightly interpret the first chapter of Genesis from the Hebrew text, the evolutionists would not have felt free as they did to try to explain using the theory of evolution.

Its a shame how we lost so much credibility because of ignorance of the Word of God.

Genesis 1:2 (in the Hebrew) reveals a DESTROYED creation that was being replaced by a new heavens and earth.

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Can you elaborate?

Biological evolution is not in any "equation". It is simply one of the most thoroughly understood natural processes in God's creation. We understand it far better than we understand gravity. And as such, it cannot contradict any genuine truth from any other source. Truth cannot contradict truth. Jesus Christ clearly demonstrated that He was God, by constantly doing things only God could do. He, God, founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Anyone who reads the Bible should know this. As a result of these divine guarantees of truth, the teaching of that one Church (which includes well over half of all Christians) never conflicts with natural truths revealed by science. Truth cannot conflict with truth.
The only ones who have a problem with evolution are fundamentalist Protestants, who came into existence by defecting from God's Church and founding unauthorized manmade churches and denominations of their own design, within the past few hundred years, each supposedly based on "the Bible alone" (which obviously meant the personal biblical interpretations of the various founders.) Today there are over 6,000 registered Protestant denominations and more than 20,000 so-called "non-denominational" Protestant churches, each claiming to follow "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one contradicting the teaching of the others, which is why they are separate denominations. Truth cannot contradict truth, so obviously a tremendous amount of untruth is being taught in this unauthorized manmade tradition. Therefore, it is no surprise that the teaching of these churches conflicts not only with the teachings of true Christianity, but also with natural truths revealed by science.

Those Christians who accuse their brothers and sisters of the damnable blasphemy of “calling God a liar” need to seriously check the mote in their own eyes. I am a theistic evolutionist and my faith in Christ is strong. I believe the Bible is infallible in regards to faith and practice but is not a science book.

Those Christians who fail to consider the merits of the bio centric universe created by God to allow Evolution are denying one of the pillars of the faith. They deny General Revelation. God gave man minds to seek out and to learn about His Creation. It is through General Revelation that we are able to learn about the truth of Gods creation including the truth of evolution. I have a degree in biology but I don’t pretend that science has evolution completely explained. That claim is ignorant of the science. I do know that there is ZERO real evidence that the earth was created 6000 years ago with all the kinds in place. The evidence that the earth is old and the universe is old and that some form of biological evolution has taken place over billions of years is overwhelming. God must be trying strongly to deceive us by making the scientific evidence for old age and evolution so convincing.

A nice example is the Palmaris longus muscle and tendon. It is useless in humans and is absent in about 15 percent of people. Why would God create humans with a useless muscle and cause it to be absent in 15 percent of his creation? The answer is that God didn’t create it that way. The palmaris longus is very useful in apes to facilitate grip strength for living in trees. Humans no longer swing from trees but we evolved from apes. Volumes of other evidence exists. Much of the latest is genetic such as the fusion of chromosomes that is strong evidence of a common great ape-human ancestor millions of years ago.