Vaccine - Take, wait, never + political position + right - middle - left

LightLoveHope · Mar 20, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Does the NWO agenda hold the Lord Jesus Christ in high regard?
You'll have to decide when the NWO (great reset) causes you to sacrifice a little too much.

You need to understand this is all propoganda, spoken by people who believe there is order and control within human society and systems. In reality if the average experience is good, it will work through. Each new generation tests everything and pushes it in new directions. You cannot lie to this group, because they grew up inside every family and they know it works or fails.

So look to the emotional language of ideals, of blame, of opportunity. With enough open doors and real progress things will flow, too many blocked doors and frustration builds and explosions happen.

It blew my mind to think come 25 years old, you found families. But you know only a small bit of everything and most of it is just dreams of what might be. So feed opportunity and real success, bring Jesus into everything and speak truth. God bless you

anna ~ grace · Mar 20, 2021

Unless it’s mandated, I don’t think I’ll be getting it.

nonaeroterraqueous · Mar 20, 2021

I won't get it. I never feared the virus, so there was never any motivation on my part to seek a vaccine. I don't like the way aborted fetal cells were used in the research. I don't like the way it was rushed through approval, despite not being a tried and true method for producing a vaccine. I don't like taking something that has been pushed, through censorship of social media, by leftists.

If nothing else, I don't like following the world.

I don't think I would suffer much for taking it, and I wouldn't expect to die from it, but I also don't expect to suffer or die for not taking it. It's just a balm for cowardice, as I see it. You can take the vaccine, and you can take off your mask, but you'll always be a coward.

RDKirk · Mar 20, 2021

nonaeroterraqueous said:
I won't get it. I never feared the virus, so there was never any motivation on my part to seek a vaccine. I don't like the way aborted fetal cells were used in the research. I don't like the way it was rushed through approval, despite not being a tried and true method for producing a vaccine. I don't like taking something that has been pushed, through censorship of social media, by leftists.

If nothing else, I don't like following the world.

I don't think I would suffer much for taking it, and I wouldn't expect to die from it, but I also don't expect to suffer or die for not taking it. It's just a balm for cowardice, as I see it. You can take the vaccine, and you can take off your mask, but you'll always be a coward.

Well, I have two aunts who have died from it, and a niece who is still on oxygen a year after surviving it. So it's not nothing.

nonaeroterraqueous · Mar 20, 2021

RDKirk said:
Well, I have two aunts who have died from it, and a niece who is still on oxygen a year after surviving it. So it's not nothing.

I don't know anyone who got seriously ill, so, for me it is.

Even so, I am hopelessly afflicted with a mortality that no vaccine can cure, and so are you. This vaccine is nothing, because the end result is the same. We're grasping at straws.

Anthony2019 · Mar 22, 2021

I had my first shot back in January and am today going for my second.

MittenMaven · Mar 22, 2021

Got both shots of Pfizer in December and January! To me getting the shot is a way to love my brother by being less able to get and spread a deadly disease. I got the vaccine and wear a mask because it’s my patriotic and Christian duty.

Bradskii · Mar 23, 2021

nonaeroterraqueous said:
I won't get it. I never feared the virus, so there was never any motivation on my part to seek a vaccine. I don't like the way aborted fetal cells were used in the research. I don't like the way it was rushed through approval, despite not being a tried and true method for producing a vaccine. I don't like taking something that has been pushed, through censorship of social media, by leftists.

If nothing else, I don't like following the world.

I don't think I would suffer much for taking it, and I wouldn't expect to die from it, but I also don't expect to suffer or die for not taking it. It's just a balm for cowardice, as I see it. You can take the vaccine, and you can take off your mask, but you'll always be a coward.

It's not for you. Don't be so self centered. It's for the elderly people you might infect. Or the younger people you may infect who will then inadvertently pass it on to someone over sixty who hasn't had the vaccine and may die from it. Doesn't that concern you?

But feel free to ignore those dangers and go your own way. You can feel a certain pride in not 'following the world'.

Psalm 27 · Jun 18, 2021

Guilt tripping anti-vaxers. As if pro-Vaxers really care about anybody but themselves

Aldebaran · Jun 18, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Guilt tripping anti-vaxers. As if pro-Vaxers really care about anybody but themselves

It appears that the thing they care about is control. If the pro-vax people are really so confidence in the shots, then why are they so concerned if they themselves already got it? It reminds me of 2 people I know who used to be friends. One got the vax, but the other didn't and doesn't want to. The vaxed person is now mad at her friend and won't hang around her anymore because the friend won't get the shot. Doesn't make much sense.

RDKirk · Jun 18, 2021

As of July 30 I officially will have no rat's okole to give about people who will not get vaccinated and will not wear a mask. I'll wear a mask when I feel I'm breathing too much of other people's exhalations such as on mass transportation (the flu is still out there), but otherwise, only when required.

Strathos · Jun 18, 2021

Aldebaran said:
It appears that the thing they care about is control. If the pro-vax people are really so confidence in the shots, then why are they so concerned if they themselves already got it? It reminds me of 2 people I know who used to be friends. One got the vax, but the other didn't and doesn't want to. The vaxed person is now mad at her friend and won't hang around her anymore because the friend won't get the shot. Doesn't make much sense.

We've explained this to you hundreds of times, but you refuse to listen.

A. The vaccine is not 100% effective. It's still possible to catch COVID-19, but that possibility goes down significantly if everyone else is vaccinated too. Say that we have a vaccination with an effectiveness of 95%. That means that if you interact closely with 20 people with the disease, you're likely to catch it from at least one of them. Those aren't good odds, as public gathering regularly exceed that number. However, if 19 out of those 20 people are also vaccinated, the chance of catching it goes down to 1 in 400, from the same gathering.

B. Even if you are vaccinated and don't catch the disease, it is still not confirmed that you cannot spread it to others. There are many people who are incapable of taking the vaccine for medical reasons, so the best way to protect them is for everyone else to take it. Even those who refuse to take it still don't deserve to be infected.

C. The more people that remain unvaccinated, the more the disease will spread. The more the disease spreads, the more it will reproduce. The more it reproduces, the more it will mutate. The more it mutates, the higher chance there is of new strains emerging that our current vaccines cannot effectively protect against.

Do you understand now why we are upset if you refuse to get the vaccine? You are endangering yourselves and others.

Bradskii · Jun 18, 2021

Strathos said:
We've explained this to you hundreds of times, but you refuse to listen.

A. The vaccine is not 100% effective. It's still possible to catch COVID-19, but that possibility goes down significantly if everyone else is vaccinated too. Say that we have a vaccination with an effectiveness of 95%. That means that if you interact closely with 20 people with the disease, you're likely to catch it from at least one of them. Those aren't good odds, as public gathering regularly exceed that number. However, if 19 out of those 20 people are also vaccinated, the chance of catching it goes down to 1 in 400, from the same gathering.

B. Even if you are vaccinated and don't catch the disease, it is still not confirmed that you cannot spread it to others. There are many people who are incapable of taking the vaccine for medical reasons, so the best way to protect them is for everyone else to take it. Even those who refuse to take it still don't deserve to be infected.

C. The more people that remain unvaccinated, the more the disease will spread. The more the disease spreads, the more it will reproduce. The more it reproduces, the more it will mutate. The more it mutates, the higher chance there is of new strains emerging that our current vaccines cannot effectively protect against.

Do you understand now why we are upset if you refuse to get the vaccine? You are endangering yourselves and others.

Exactly right. There's guy in Sydney who was employed to ferry air crews between airport and hotels. He should have got the jab. He didn't. And caught it.

So he's been wandering around Sydney for the last week infecting people right, left and centre and causing no small amount of inconvenience at the very least. And I can say that because my wife, daughter and grandkids attended a specific shop that he did on a specific day and at a specific time, so now we have all family members needing to get tested (my daughter and her kids have been in line this morning for two hours already) and two families in isolation for two weeks. And there's hundreds of people in the same position. All because one guy decided he didn't want to get vaccinated.

There's a possibility that one or more of those hundreds of people could die. And there are very many old people's homes in this suburb. And no-one was aware they might be contagious for a week after this moron went walkabout.

It's not just about you. GET THE DAMN VACCINE!

A very frustrated and housebound Bradskii.

Psalm 27 · Jun 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
It appears that the thing they care about is control. If the pro-vax people are really so confidence in the shots, then why are they so concerned if they themselves already got it? It reminds me of 2 people I know who used to be friends. One got the vax, but the other didn't and doesn't want to. The vaxed person is now mad at her friend and won't hang around her anymore because the friend won't get the shot. Doesn't make much sense.

Sheep mentality

or is it just control? I’ve had the vax, then you should (to protect others, yeah right) if we all have vax, it Proves that we must have done the right thing. Safety in numbers.

Aldebaran · Jun 19, 2021

Strathos said:
We've explained this to you hundreds of times, but you refuse to listen.

A. The vaccine is not 100% effective. It's still possible to catch COVID-19, but that possibility goes down significantly if everyone else is vaccinated too. Say that we have a vaccination with an effectiveness of 95%. That means that if you interact closely with 20 people with the disease, you're likely to catch it from at least one of them. Those aren't good odds, as public gathering regularly exceed that number. However, if 19 out of those 20 people are also vaccinated, the chance of catching it goes down to 1 in 400, from the same gathering.

B. Even if you are vaccinated and don't catch the disease, it is still not confirmed that you cannot spread it to others. There are many people who are incapable of taking the vaccine for medical reasons, so the best way to protect them is for everyone else to take it. Even those who refuse to take it still don't deserve to be infected.

C. The more people that remain unvaccinated, the more the disease will spread. The more the disease spreads, the more it will reproduce. The more it reproduces, the more it will mutate. The more it mutates, the higher chance there is of new strains emerging that our current vaccines cannot effectively protect against.

Do you understand now why we are upset if you refuse to get the vaccine? You are endangering yourselves and others.

All these things put together, it sounds like there's not much confidence in the vaccine. So which is it? The vaccine is great and everyone should get it, or not?

Aldebaran · Jun 19, 2021

Bradskii said:
Exactly right. There's guy in Sydney who was employed to ferry air crews between airport and hotels. He should have got the jab. He didn't. And caught it.

So he's been wandering around Sydney for the last week infecting people right, left and centre and causing no small amount of inconvenience at the very least. And I can say that because my wife, daughter and grandkids attended a specific shop that he did on a specific day and at a specific time, so now we have all family members needing to get tested (my daughter and her kids have been in line this morning for two hours already) and two families in isolation for two weeks. And there's hundreds of people in the same position. All because one guy decided he didn't want to get vaccinated.

There's a possibility that one or more of those hundreds of people could die. And there are very many old people's homes in this suburb. And no-one was aware they might be contagious for a week after this moron went walkabout.

It's not just about you. GET THE DAMN VACCINE!

A very frustrated and housebound Bradskii.

And you've been vaccinated? If so, it's not doing you much good, is it?

Aldebaran · Jun 19, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Sheep mentality or is it just control? I’ve had the vax, then you should (to protect others, yeah right) if we all have vax, it Proves that we must have done the right thing. Safety in numbers.

With all the control tactics we've seen from the Left in the past year (censorship, cancelling, shaming), it's no surprise they'd use vaccinating (and shaming along with it) as a method, especially when they can use it globally instead of just nationally.

Strathos · Jun 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
All these things put together, it sounds like there's not much confidence in the vaccine. So which is it? The vaccine is great and everyone should get it, or not?

Are you even listening? It's not and never will be 100% effective, but its effectiveness increases exponentially with the more people who get it. Are you against wearing seatbelts in cars too?

Strathos · Jun 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
With all the control tactics we've seen from the Left in the past year (censorship, cancelling, shaming), it's no surprise they'd use vaccinating (and shaming along with it) as a method, especially when they can use it globally instead of just nationally.

This is not political. This is common sense medical knowledge that saves lives.

I swear, if 'The Left' said that breathing air is necessary, a bunch of you would suffocate yourselves just to spite them.

Strathos · Jun 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
And you've been vaccinated? If so, it's not doing you much good, is it?

God forbid he cares about anyone other than himself...

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