The Weightier Matters Of The Law

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Hope of the glory not yet revealed.
That ancient mystery that has long since been disclosed, and will be fully
unveiled at His Parousia.

Colossians 1:
25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me
for you, to fulfill the word of God;
26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made
manifest to his saints:
27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery
among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may
present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Hereunto I also labor, striving according to His working, which works in me mightily.

1 Corinthians 15:
22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Messiah will all be made alive.
23 But each in its own order: Messiah the firstfruits; then, at His coming,
those who belong to Messiah.

1 John 2:28 And now, children, abide in Him, so that when He appears we will have confidence
and not be ashamed in His presence at His coming.

1 Thessalonians 2:
19
For who is our hope or joy or crown of boasting before our Lord at His coming?
Is it not you?
20 For you are our glory and joy!
 
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Good answer for our duty of love to our fellow man. How then to we love God?
With all our heart, all our soul, and all our mind, as Jesus says in the same place
(Matthew 22:37-40).
 
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Clare73 said:
We can never be perfect in anything related to God. . .because we cannot be sinless.
Why not? What does Hebrews 13:20-31; Matthew 5:48; Romans 12:2; 1 John 3:6-9; John 8:31-36 and Revelation 14:12 mean? What are those who have faith saved from?
Because of 1 John 1:8-10, for starters.
 
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That ancient mystery that has long since been disclosed, and will be fully
unveiled at His Parousia.

Colossians 1:
25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me
for you, to fulfill the word of God;
26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made
manifest to his saints:
27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery
among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may
present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Hereunto I also labor, striving according to His working, which works in me mightily.

1 Corinthians 15:
22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Messiah will all be made alive.
23 But each in its own order: Messiah the firstfruits; then, at His coming,
those who belong to Messiah.

1 John 2:28 And now, children, abide in Him, so that when He appears we will have confidence
and not be ashamed in His presence at His coming.

1 Thessalonians 2:
19
For who is our hope or joy or crown of boasting before our Lord at His coming?
Is it not you?
20 For you are our glory and joy!
It’s one of the Holy Attributes of God in the New Covenant

There are seven beautiful descriptive attributes of God mentioned in the New Testament.
The first was used by Stephen, who called Him "the God of glory" as he gave his defense to the Jewish council just before he was martyred and indeed "saw the glory of God" (Acts of the apostles 7:2,55) himself as he finished his testimony.
The apostle Paul later called Him "the God of patience and consolation," while urging his fellow Christians to be "likeminded one toward another" (Romans 15:5).
In the same chapter, he also called Him "the God of hope" in a benedictory prayer: "Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing" (Romans 15:13).
To the Christians at Corinth, Paul wrote about "the God of all comfort; Who comforteth us in all our tribulation . . ." (II Corinthians 1:3-4).
Then later he wrote: that "the God of love" would be with them (II Corinthians 13:11).
To both the Philippians and the Thessalonians, he wrote about "the God of peace" (Philippians 4:9).
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly" (I Thessalonians 5:23).
The seventh of these beautiful descriptions was written by the apostle Peter.
"But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you" (I Peter 5:10)

These seven beautiful attributes or titles of our new covenant God are as follows:
He is the God of glory, the God of patience and consolation, the God of hope, the God of all comfort, the God of love, the God of peace, and the God of all grace!
 
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That ancient mystery that has long since been disclosed, and will be fully
unveiled at His Parousia.

Colossians 1:
25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me
for you, to fulfill the word of God;
26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made
manifest to his saints:
27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery
among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may
present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Hereunto I also labor, striving according to His working, which works in me mightily.

1 Corinthians 15:
22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Messiah will all be made alive.
23 But each in its own order: Messiah the firstfruits; then, at His coming,
those who belong to Messiah.

1 John 2:28 And now, children, abide in Him, so that when He appears we will have confidence
and not be ashamed in His presence at His coming.

1 Thessalonians 2:
19
For who is our hope or joy or crown of boasting before our Lord at His coming?
Is it not you?
20 For you are our glory and joy!
Hope of the glory not yet revealed.​

I can see why some complain about editing posts for them. That took me half the morning to put that reply together to which you edited all but one line ;)
 
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I can see why some complain about editing posts for them. That took me half the morning to put that reply together to which you edited all but one line ;)
Most of that post was a dialog you were having with another member.
What would I edit! I was adding a contribution to the beauty of the Good News.
The complaints are only valid when people take one little portion and try to rip into
your response. Very inconsiderate and inappropriate.
I rated your most recent post winner for the same reason, as it continued where
I left off in proclaiming His Glory, which you inspired when you wrote:
Hope of the glory not yet revealed.
Other than that, I stayed out of the back and forth of that discussion.
 
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Hope of the glory not yet revealed. Hope is faith in that not yet revealed, yet we know that Christ in us and us in Christ has been revealed, but the hope we still have is the anchor to our souls.​

How does a man know? Every one of the several Billion self proclaimed "Christians" on the Planet have been convinced they are in Christ. Yet Jesus and His Prophets of Old and His Apostles of the New Testaments all warn of this very thinking?

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Yet most religious franchises on the planet "Think" just that.

1 Cor. 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our (New Covenant Believers) admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Matt. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Rom. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

The Christ gave us a test to see how we can know if we are "In Him" or not, if we would just believe.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby (In this way) know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


the glory about to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God; 20 for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

Like Noah and Abraham, YES???

David understood who the God of Glory was, no doubt about that. An anchor could be placed upon the bragging rights David had in knowing God.

The new wine teaching regarding Christ and the church wasn’t taught until Christ. Paul was quite adamant about that.

Well I disagree with your premise here, the Gospel of Christ was taught to Israel, but they didn't mix the hearing with Faith as God tells us.

Duet. 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

Paul says this Rock was the Christ. (1 Cor. 10)

19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

Hebrews confirms.

Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

This Gospel of Christ was supposed to be taught by the Levitical Priesthood, but the priests corrupted the Gospel, and led many astray. (Also Mal. 2:4-9)

Jer. 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Jesus came back to save these lost Sheep.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

And to restore the teaching of the Kingdom of God.

Is. 58:11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

The Narrow Path Jesus walked.



Come on. If new birth is not a process of hearing then you have not been reading your bible, so enough gymnastics. Hearing is believing, if not then repentance never happened. If so then the old whine of law has become the new wine of identification with His death to legalities.

Gosh, how can you preach this? EVE "Heard" but didn't believe. Israel HEARD, but didn't believe. Some did;

Num. 14:23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

Hearing is not believing, otherwise they would have all been like Caleb.


Rom. 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our (New Covenant Believers) examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Continued​
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Ok why are they saved from the wrath of God; what did they do? Once again what does Hebrews 13:20-25; Matthew 5:48; Romans 12:2; 1 John 3:6-9; John 8:31-36 and Revelation 14:12 mean?
Your response here...
They believed in the person and work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin and right standing with God's justice.

Is it not because the wages of sin is death and we have all sinned (Romans 6:23)? And this part... what does Hebrews 13:20-25; Matthew 5:48; Romans 12:2; 1 John 3:6-9; John 8:31-36 and Revelation 14:12 mean?
 
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The OT saints had not received the new wine until Christ. First-fruit offerings had first to be accepted by God before being renewed for a year. Christ’s first fruit offering, accepted, was for all time, past present and future.


Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.


6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


Why did Zacharias and Simeon know the Christ when HE came, but the High Priest of his time didn't? What did Zacharias or Caleb lack? Did they not know the Gospel of Christ?


67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,


68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,


69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;


How is it Caleb and Zacharias and Simeon, and Anna, and the wise men all know the Christ when HE came, and all had the Holy Spirit, but the Pharisees did not know Him? Maybe Peter's Word's answer this question.


Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


Obeyed His Voice to not sacrifice another, He would provide. . . but now a better Voice is to be obeyed, your reasoning is the greater sacrifice Romans 12:1-3. It’s not about the flesh any more, the NT is according to the mind of Christ. That doesn’t even bring it to the level of spiritual yet, which is also in effect.


Jesus HIMSELF said ALL His Word's came from HIS Father, all HIS Power came from HIS Father. HE Himself said HE came to bring HIS Father's Voice, not a new and or better voice.


John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.


46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.


47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


They were shown the Gospel of Christ, they just didn't believe/have Faith in it. At least according to the Holy Scriptures.



Oh I don’t know, mostly appeasements to men’s beastly traits. Divorce which even God took advantage of, and Persian law gaining NT access when men became heads of the homes according to the book of Esther. Paul took complete advantage of that writing to form his analogies from of what Christ and the church look like.


Or, instead of just making stuff up, we could "hear" the Scriptures. God gave His Laws, Commandments, Statutes and Judgments to Abraham, as well as to Abraham's Children.


So then the Levitical Priesthood was ADDED to God's Laws, Commandments, Statutes, and Judgments 430 years after Abraham obeyed them.


Exactly. That was done away with at Shiloh. Levitical is done away with at the book of Hebrews, predating to Christ’s death. Temporary ritualistic cleansing.


Yes, the Covenant God made with Levi on Mt. Sinai, on Israel's behalf, because of Transgressions, (Golden calf) became old and has vanished away as prophesied in Jer. 31.. Replaced by a New Priesthood in which Levi is no longer the performer of the "Works" of temporary cleansing rituals for justification, nor the sole authority regarding the administration of God's Instructions. The Christ Himself atones for our sins, and administer's God's Word's for us, as HE promises.


Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will (No more exclusive duty of the Levite Priest) put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, ( No more temporary atonement "works of the Law" performed exclusively by Levite Priests) and I will remember their sin no more.


And here we are, with the Oracles of God in our own homes, in our own mind, and not isolated in the Ark where only a Levite could even tough.


So now we have the mediator in the heavenlies that places all others obsolete, and forgiveness can be found no where else.


Agree 100%. But the definition of Sin that needs to be forgiven, has not changed. The only thing that changed, according to Bible, is the manner in which God's Law is administered, and the manner in which transgression of this Law is atoned for.


That is what was in the loins of Abraham as he stood opposite Melchezedec, to Whom all believers now have access with Him, seated with Him. All those other things are passed away.


If by "other things" you are saying God's Instructions, that is a popular doctrine to be sure, but one the Bible doesn't support.

At-one-ment. Not much use for the shadow when the substance is present.
Ready to? Long overdue.


Righteousness is the breastplate, His righteousness. Be sure to not neglect the rest of the armour, the belt of truth, the gospel message of shoes that bring good news, His helmet of salvation ( very important because it contains the mind of Christ) the sword of the word of God, can’t forget that since it’s the only weapon that Christians have and that satan wants to rob from.


A good way to understand Paul is to ask “is this pointing to law or grace” because Paul only uses shadows to express the light.


Modern religious man does not separate the Levitical Priesthood from the Commandments, Statutes and Laws of God that Abraham was blessed for obeying. Paul did. This deception of combining God's Instruction with the Temporary Atonement Laws as one "LAW" and then preaching this Law is gone is widespread to be sure, but is a horrible falsehood that infects and corrupts Paul's message.


This is why I asked the question that you deflected from. Paul places qualifiers on this "ADDED" LAW that the Jews were trying to convince the Galatians to follow.


Paul's message is corrupted by implying that the Jews were trying to get the Galatians to "Love God" and Love their Neighbor, and Paul taught against God's Law. But the Jews never obeyed God, rather, they omitted the Weightier matters of the Law, like the Law of Faith, the Law of Mercy, and the Law of judgment. Jesus said they paid tithes according to the Levitical Priesthood tithing laws, but omitted much of God's instructions. HE said they "taught for doctrines the Commandments of men".


Since the Jews didn't believe Jesus was their New High Priest, they were still promoting the "temporary sacrificial "Works" of the Law for cleansing sin off folks, making them clean, righteous.


Gal. 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?


2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


IOW's, did God give you the Holy Spirit because some Levite Priest sprinkled the Blood of a goat on the alter? Or did you "repent" from your lawless ways and "Yield yourself" servants to God?


Rom. 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.


18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


I know I'm bucking centuries of religious philosophy here, but I feel obligated to share this understanding.
 
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So Matthew 22:36-40 is saying
love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law yes?
That's one of the ways, prayer is another, trust is another, knowledge of him is another, etc.
 
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That's one of the ways, prayer is another, trust is another, knowledge of him is another, etc.
Are they not all required collectively? So if we are not obedient to God's law through faith in God's Word do we have true faith and are we following God and do we know God?
 
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Your response here...
They believed in the person and work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin and right standing with God's justice.

Is it not because the wages of sin is death and we have all sinned (Romans 6:23)?
No, it is not, we are saved because what we did was believe and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sin and right standing with God's justice. ..not "because the wages of sin is death and all have sinned."
 
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