Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

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I'm not interested in debating semantics. Here is earlier post...

As I said, nobody (except Jesus) has ever been able to keep the First Covenant in its entirety. What is it about "nobody (except Jesus)..." that you don't understand?

It's not semantics when you go back to my original question.

The proper way of saying it is "only Jesus was able to keep the First Covenant".

The point being, He kept it. It is Finished. Done. Over.

That is why at the table that night, with His disciples, He told them of the "new" covenant.
 
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It's not semantics when you go back to my original question.

The proper way of saying it is "only Jesus was able to keep the First Covenant".

The point being, He kept it. It is Finished. Done. Over.

That is why at the table that night, with His disciples, He told them of the "new" covenant.
It is disconcerting that so many don’t see the stop/start between old and new, but that’s probably because time overlaps for all of His lessons to be fulfilled within each believer.
However Jesus Christ is the one consistent thru-out the whole of the bible. The sum is found in Him.
I’m wondering why was John the Baptist the greatest born to woman (Eve mother of living) yet least in the Kingdom?
And why is he the only person in biblical history to be born with the Holy Spirit?
 
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We can go and and on about this, but I'm losing interest in what you are saying.

The First Covenant is most definitely not over. He told His disciples that there was New Covenant coming, but that doesn't mean the Old Covenant -- the Law -- was/is over.

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:18

"For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.” Galatians 3:10

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18 This clearly says that the law is still in effect for those not led by the Spirit.

Paul wrote to the Galatians after Jesus was crucified, clearly stating that The Law was still in effect. There is nothing to indicate that the First Covenant is no longer in effect for those not under the Second Covenant (Christians).
 
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It is disconcerting that so many don’t see the stop/start between old and new, but that’s probably because time overlaps for all of His lessons to be fulfilled within each believer.
However Jesus Christ is the one consistent thru-out the whole of the bible. The sum is found in Him.
I’m wondering why was John the Baptist the greatest born to woman (Eve mother of living) yet least in the Kingdom?
And why is he the only person in biblical history to be born with the Holy Spirit?

Great questions! I have no clue!

But maybe one of these days I will know. :)
 
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I’m wondering why was John the Baptist the greatest born to woman (Eve mother of living) yet least in the Kingdom?
And why is he the only person in biblical history to be born with the Holy Spirit?
My thought is all are ... at believing in Christ’s finished work ... rebirth includes the full scope of what Christ brought ... but turning to belief in lies slowly eradicates the rewards given ... and lessens the ability to discern good from evil ... a slow spiral into the least from the all-inclusive.
 
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We can go and and on about this, but I'm losing interest in what you are saying.

The First Covenant is most definitely not over. He told His disciples that there was New Covenant coming, but that doesn't mean the Old Covenant -- the Law -- was/is over.

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:18

"For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.” Galatians 3:10

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18 This clearly says that the law is till in effect for those not led by the Spirit.

Paul wrote to the Galatians after Jesus was crucified, clearly stating that The Law was still in effect. There is nothing to indicate that the First Covenant is no longer in effect for those not under the Second Covenant (Christians).

It was accomplished. Done.

Just because someone wants to hold onto a law does not mean it has the same effect as it once did. It will on the person holding to it, but that does not mean it is in effect the same way as before.

For instance, they can change the speed limit but I can still claim that I am under the old speed limit. If I break the 'new' speed limit, they will charge me with breaking the new one - not the old one.

The 'new' covenant is not a completely different covenant from the old one. It is new as in not seen in the manner it is before. Like the speed limit. It is not as if there was never a speed limit before, it has just changed.
 
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Lets not forget, the New Covenant includes all Ten Commandments (Decalogue) written in our hearts but are also literal. I agree it is easy to understand!
Only one applied to oneself for one's own sake, which the NT reveals has now been fulfilled
(Hebrews 4:9) in Jesus' salvation full-time rest for all those who believe (Hebrews 4:3).

Hebrews 4:1-13 reveals the New Covenant spiritual reality of the physical rest of the Old Covenant Sabbath day for the people of God, which emphasis was on rest (Exodus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:14), and about which God was most emphatic (Exodus 31:14-15, 35:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; Jeremiah 17:21-22, 27). In light of its NT eternal spiritual reality of salvation-rest in Christ, we can see why so much emphasis was placed by God on rest.

It is God's own full-time (Hebrews 4:3-4) Sabbath-rest (Hebrews 4:10) we enter into in the NT full-time spiritual salvation-rest of Jesus Christ, where we rest from our work to save and rest in Jesus finished work which saves, and which these NT Hebrews were in danger of not entering by returning to their OT religion.
 
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Only one applied to oneself for one's own sake, which the NT reveals has now been fulfilled
(Hebrews 4:9) in Jesus' salvation full-time rest for all those who believe (Hebrews 4:3).

Hebrews 4:1-13 reveals the New Covenant spiritual reality of the physical rest of the Old Covenant Sabbath day for the people of God, which emphasis was on rest (Exodus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:14), and about which God was most emphatic (Exodus 31:14-15, 35:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; Jeremiah 17:21-22, 27). In light of its NT eternal spiritual reality of salvation-rest in Christ, we can see why so much emphasis was placed by God on rest.

It is God's own full-time (Hebrews 4:3-4) Sabbath-rest (Hebrews 4:10) we enter into in the NT full-time spiritual salvation-rest of Jesus Christ, where we rest from our work to save and rest in Jesus finished work which saves, and which these NT Hebrews were in danger of not entering by returning to their OT religion.

As shown earlier through the scriptures your claims here in this post are based on eisegesis (reading into the scriptures what they do not say or teach). There is nothing in Hebrews 3:7-19 to Hebrews 4:1-13 that says anywhere that supports your claims that these scriptures teach that Jesus is a Sabbath, the Sabbath is a full time rest, or that Hebrews 4:1-13 reveals the New Covenant spiritual reality of the physical rest of the Old Covenant Sabbath day for the people of God, which emphasis was on rest. Of course it is true however that no one enters into God's seventh day Sabbath rest if they do not believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel rest) and continues in unbelief and sin, not believing and following God's Word. This is what the warnings are about as shown in Hebrews 3:12-13; 14; 17-19; Hebrew 4:1-2;6; 11.

WHAT IS GOD’S REST IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4? (exegesis)

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

KEY POINTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES OF HEBREWS 4:1-5 (exegesis)

NOTE: Context in Hebrews 4:1-5 is God's Rest from the seventh day Sabbath from the foundation of the world (v4-5) and those who enter Gods rest by and believing and following Gods Word [the gospel] who enter into God's Sabbath rest as God did on the seventh day of the week. The context here defining God’s rest/My rest/His rest is to God’s seventh day Sabbath rest created at the foundation of the world that those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do or do not enter into. The new testament writer of Hebrews is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5. There are two rests here. One is to the rest we enter into by believing and following Gods Word which is our rest and the rest we enter into by believing and following God’s Word to God’s rest which is the seventh day Sabbath. Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day").

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11], Let us labor therefore to enter that rest, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9 (exegesis)

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

According to the Greek and scripture contexts of Hebrews 3:7-19 and Hebrews 4:1-9, Hebrews 4:9 is in regards to God’s seventh day Sabbath of the 4th commandment which in the context of Hebrews 4:1-5 which defines God’s rest/My rest/His rest (Hebrews 3:11; 18-19; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 5; 10) as the “seventh day” from the foundation of the world *Hebrews 4:3-4.

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Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Hebrews 4:9 So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Lamsa Bible
Hebrews 4:9 It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

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For your interest, the Greek word used here for Sabbath is Sabbatismos and means a Sabbath keeping or keeping of the Sabbath or how the Sabbath is kept by resting.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.” or in other translations "There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God". In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

GREEK INTERLINEAR
HEBREWS 4:9 άρα (Then) απολείπεται (there is left) σαββατισμός (a Sabbath keeping) τω (to the) λαώ (people) του θεού (of God)

GREEK LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, Abbott-Smith - G4520
*† σαββατισμός, - οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exod 16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb 4:9.†

LIDDEL/SCOTT/JONES GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON - G4520
σαββατισμός
Σαββᾰτ-ισμός, ὁ, a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Heb 4:9, cf. Plu. 2.166a (codd., βαπτισμούς Bentley).

STRONGS LEXICON
So ἄρα (ara) Conjunction Strong's Greek 686: Then, therefore, since. Probably from airo; a particle denoting an inference more or less decisive.
there remains ἀπολείπεται (apoleipetai) Verb - Present Indicative Middle or Passive - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 620: From apo and leipo; to leave behind; by implication, to forsake. a Sabbath rest σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos) Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity. for the τῷ () Article - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. people λαῷ (laō) Noun - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2992: Apparently a primary word; a people.
of God. Θεοῦ (Theou) Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest Definition: a sabbath rest Usage (DOING): a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. THAYER - G4520
G4520 — σαββατισμός
σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);

W. E. VINE, GREEK DICTIONARY

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. (Note the rest of Vines comments is not the Greek it is his opinion)

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

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Hebrews 3:7-19 to Hebrews 4:1-11 is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and we continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5. Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day"). There are two rests being described. One is our rest we receive through believing and following God's Word (the gospel) *Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:2-3 and God's rest *Hebrews 3:11; 18; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 5-6; 8-9; 10-11. Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. Why? Because the true seventh day Sabbath rest is a sign of God's true people who God sanctifies to keep all the commandments of God through faith in God's Word *Exodus 31:13; Exodus 31:17; Ezekiel 20:12; Ezekiel 20:20; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 22:14.

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SUMMARY: God's rest is the "seventh day Sabbath" of creation. Our rest is that of believing and following Gods' Word. No one enters into God's rest (defined in Hebrews as the "seventh day Sabbath") unless they believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel rest). Of course God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) are a part of God's Word (the gospel) that God's people who enter into Gods rest believe and follow in Gods' Word just like Jesus did and the Apostles and prophets in Gods' Word. Everything provided here are not my words but have been taken directly from the scriptures which are God's Words not mine (exegesis). The warnings here are very clear. Those who do not believe and follow God's Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin (breaking anyone of God's commandments - James 2:10-11) just like those in the wilderness do not enter into Gods' rest (seventh day Sabbath) and will be in danger of the judgement to come (Hebrews 10:26-31)

Hope this is helpful.
 
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Hi Leaf!

Quick question is your definition of “fulfilled” mean no longer required? Maybe you can elaborate....

I am trying to catch up on your other posts and will probably respond to those as soon as I can!
Thanks for asking, here's how I see it

I see the word "fulfill" as a contraction of full and filled, filled to the full. I believe that's fairly close to the Greek word in the New testament.

Suppose I have a roommate and he and I decide to buy a car together.

The deal is that he will purchase the car and pay for its maintenance and I will put gas in it.

Then we will both drive it around.

Everything is going great, and after about 5 days I notice that the fuel gauge is reading E. I know for sure that I will be the next one to use the car in the morning because my roommate is spending a few days in Paris.

I spend a blissful night in deep sleep and arise the next morning and head out to the car.

But when I turn the key something strange happens, the needle goes all the way up to the F.

Unbeknownst to me my dad came over during the night with some gas cans and filled the tank, filled it to the full.

I had an obligation to perform a particular physical action, to put gas in the tank. But now my obligation has been fulfilled.

It's not a perfect analogy, and it could be expanded in different ways.
Does it answer your question?
 
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As shown earlier through the scriptures your claims here in this post are based on eisegesis (reading into the scriptures what they do not say or teach). There is nothing in Hebrews 3:7-19 to Hebrews 4:1-13 that says anywhere that supports your claims that these scriptures teach that Jesus is a Sabbath, the Sabbath is a full time rest, or that Hebrews 4:1-13 reveals the New Covenant spiritual reality of the physical rest of the Old Covenant Sabbath day for the people of God, which emphasis was on rest. Of course it is true however that no one enters into God's seventh day Sabbath rest if they do not believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel rest) and continue in unbelief and sin not believing and following God's Word. This is what what the warnings are about as shown in Hebrews 3:12-13; 14; 17-19; Hebrew 4:1-2;6; 11.

WHAT IS GOD’S REST IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4? (exegesis)

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

KEY POINTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES OF HEBREWS 4:1-5 (exegesis)

NOTE: Context in Hebrews 4:1-5 is God's Rest from the seventh day Sabbath from the foundation of the world (v4-5) and those who enter Gods rest by and believing and following Gods Word [the gospel] who enter into God's Sabbath rest as God did on the seventh day of the week. The context here defining God’s rest/My rest/His rest is to God’s seventh day Sabbath rest created at the foundation of the world that those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do or do not enter into. The new testament writer of Hebrews is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5. There are two rests here. One is to the rest we enter into by believing and following Gods Word which is our rest and the rest we enter into by believing and following God’s Word to God’s rest which is the seventh day Sabbath. Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day").

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11], Let us labor therefore to enter that rest, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9 (exegesis)

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

According to the Greek and scripture contexts of Hebrews 3:7-19 and Hebrews 4:1-9, Hebrews 4:9 is in regards to God’s seventh day Sabbath of the 4th commandment which in the context of Hebrews 4:1-5 which defines God’s rest/My rest/His rest (Hebrews 3:11; 18-19; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 5; 10) as the “seventh day” from the foundation of the world *Hebrews 4:3-4.

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Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Hebrews 4:9 So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Lamsa Bible
Hebrews 4:9 It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

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For your interest, the Greek word used here for Sabbath is Sabbatismos and means a Sabbath keeping or keeping of the Sabbath or how the Sabbath is kept by resting.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.” or in other translations "There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God". In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

GREEK INTERLINEAR
HEBREWS 4:9 άρα (Then) απολείπεται (there is left) σαββατισμός (a Sabbath keeping) τω (to the) λαώ (people) του θεού (of God)

GREEK LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, Abbott-Smith - G4520
*† σαββατισμός, - οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exod 16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb 4:9.†

LIDDEL/SCOTT/JONES GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON - G4520
σαββατισμός
Σαββᾰτ-ισμός, ὁ, a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Heb 4:9, cf. Plu. 2.166a (codd., βαπτισμούς Bentley).

STRONGS LEXICON
So ἄρα (ara) Conjunction Strong's Greek 686: Then, therefore, since. Probably from airo; a particle denoting an inference more or less decisive.
there remains ἀπολείπεται (apoleipetai) Verb - Present Indicative Middle or Passive - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 620: From apo and leipo; to leave behind; by implication, to forsake. a Sabbath rest σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos) Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity. for the τῷ () Article - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. people λαῷ (laō) Noun - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2992: Apparently a primary word; a people.
of God. Θεοῦ (Theou) Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest Definition: a sabbath rest Usage (DOING): a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. THAYER - G4520
G4520 — σαββατισμός
σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);

W. E. VINE, GREEK DICTIONARY

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. (Note the rest of Vines comments is not the Greek it is his opinion)

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

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Hebrews 3:7-19 to Hebrews 4:1-11 is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and we continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5. Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day"). There are two rests being described. One is our rest we receive through believing and following God's Word (the gospel) *Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:2-3 and God's rest *Hebrews 3:11; 18; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 5-6; 8-9; 10-11. Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. Why? Because the true seventh day Sabbath rest is a sign of God's true people who God sanctifies to keep all the commandments of God through faith in God's Word *Exodus 31:13; Exodus 31:17; Ezekiel 20:12; Ezekiel 20:20; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 22:14.

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SUMMARY: God's rest is the "seventh day Sabbath" of creation. Our rest is that of believing and following Gods' Word. No one enters into God's rest (defined in Hebrews as the "seventh day Sabbath") unless they believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel rest). Of course God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) are a part of God's Word (the gospel) that God's people who enter into Gods rest believe and follow in Gods' Word just like Jesus did and the Apostles and prophets in Gods' Word. Everything provided here are not my words but have been taken directly from the scriptures which are God's Words not mine (exegesis). The warnings here are very clear. Those who do not believe and follow God's Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin (breaking anyone of God's commandments - James 2:10-11) just like those in the wilderness do not enter into Gods' rest (seventh day Sabbath) and will be in danger of the judgement to come (Hebrews 10:26-31)

Hope this is helpful.
I have presented a complete exegesis of Heb 3:7-4:13 in
post #1259, Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

Now you do the same, taking into account all the issues presented, and show the above is incorrect.

Your failure to perform concluded this matter days ago.
 
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I have presented a complete exegesis of Heb 3:7-4:13 in
post #1259, Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

Now you do the same, taking into account all the issues presented, and show the above is incorrect.

Your failure to perform concluded this matter days ago.

Your linked post has already been dealt with earlier proving your claims by each of the examples you have claimed were eisegesis and not exegesis as shown already in a response to your linked post from post # 1262 linked that you refuse to respond to. I have also provided an exegetical view of Hebrews 4:1-11 in post # 1388 linked in the very post you are quoting from also proving that your claims to the quoted post are eisegesis (not written in the scriptures). If you disagree your welcome to show why. Your denial without showing why you disagree with my posts only shared in love and as a help to you only proves what has been shared with you is true as your not able to show why you disagree with the direct plain scripture which is Gods Word not my words. So I guess we will agree to disagree until your able to show why you disagree with the plain scripture that is shared with you.
 
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Your linked post has already been dealt with earlier proving your claims by each of the examples you have claimed were eisegesis and not exegesis as shown already in a response to your linked post from post # 1262 linked that you refuse to respond to. I have also provided an exegetical view of Hebrews 4:1-11 in post # 1388 linked in the very post you are quoting from also proving that your claims to the quoted post are eisegesis (not written in the scriptures). If you disagree your welcome to show why. Your denial without showing why you disagree with my posts only shared in love and as a help to you only proves what has been shared with you is true as your not able to show why you disagree with the direct plain scripture which is Gods Word not my words.
Your failure to perform concluded this matter days ago.
 
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Your failure to perform concluded this matter days ago.
I respectfully disagree. There was no failure on my part as shown in post # 1388 linked and some time ago now in post # 1262 linked which are God's Words not mine disagreeing with your words that are not God's as shown from the scriptures shared there that you refuse to respond to. Let's talk more when you can show why you disagree with the linked posts here and respectfully agree to disagree.
 
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It is disconcerting that so many don’t see the stop/start between old and new, but that’s probably because time overlaps for all of His lessons to be fulfilled within each believer.
However Jesus Christ is the one consistent thru-out the whole of the bible. The sum is found in Him.
I’m wondering why was John the Baptist the greatest born to woman (Eve mother of living) yet least in the Kingdom?
And why is he the only person in biblical history to be born with the Holy Spirit?
Hi ~Cassia~,

When I first read the two questions you posted about John the Baptist, I thought that they didn't really relate to the thread.

But a little time went by, and a light started to go on...

Very interesting post!
 
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Hi ~Cassia~,

When I first read the two questions you posted about John the Baptist, I thought that they didn't really relate to the thread.

But a little time went by, and a light started to go on...

Very interesting post!
Oh thanks! One of many things about the bible that merits pondering things enjoyable :)
 
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On the fact that the First Covenant is still valid.
The first covenant was to produce a kingdom of priests and all it got for it’s efforts is a whole lot of kings in charge of their own kingdoms, from greatest to least, with a whole lot of others that they sacrifice to keep it.
The new covenant, thru Christ example is self sacrifice, the greatest commandment. And fulfilling God’s purpose of a kingdom of priest with one King over all.
No comparison.
 
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The first covenant was to produce a kingdom of priests and all it got for it’s efforts is a whole lot of kings in charge of their own kingdoms, from greatest to least, with a whole lot of others that they sacrifice to keep it.
The new covenant, thru Christ example is self sacrifice, the greatest commandment. And fulfilling God’s purpose of a kingdom of priest with one King over all.
No comparison.

Nobody is comparing them; it's like apples and oranges. Just because apples exist doesn't mean that oranges don't.

The First Covenant is still in effect for those that are under God's law: the Jews. If you believe in God, your either under the First Covenant or the Second. Jew or Christian.

BTW, are you anti-Semitic?
 
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BTW, are you anti-Semitic?
No but I think that Judaism has nothing to do with Christianity other than shared roots. That goes for Catholics and Protestants too. The roots belong to all. But the branches are different.

Better yet I don’t believe in following shadows when the substance has been revealed, to me it’s a form of looking back after putting the hand to the plow. It makes crooked lines to do so.
 
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