Kylie's Last Thursday Challenge

Kylie · Mar 18, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Deep down you know.

“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:” (Romans 1:20).

Wow. You really think it's a nice thing to do, to tell non-believers that they secretly are believers? That you know them better than they know themselves?

The Trinity is found even in the invisible things of the creation of this world.

Atoms have three components to them and yet they are one.

And what are the three parts?

Kylie · Mar 18, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Think. Banks are attacked because they have value inside them. The same reason is true when it comes to Christianity. The value or precious pearl of great price inside a Christian is Jesus Christ. As they hated Jesus, so shall they hate their followers. In other words, if nothing did not have any value, then it would not be attacked on such a large wordwide scale. It's like the big elephant in the room that you are ignoring when you see Christian persecution increasing in this world. It's attacked because Satan hates God, His Word, and His people. You don't see people on a worldwide scale being persecuted because they use the internet because most everyone finds it useful to them. But because Jesus and His Word points out a person's own sins, then it become uncomfortable for people because they don't want to give up their sinful way of life to follow the Lord.

So by that logic, evolution has value. Gay people have value. Islam has value. Black people have value.

Kylie · Mar 18, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
He is biased towards his life of sin. So he has a motivation involved. Being a Christian is having a relationship with GOD and in following what He says. It's a life of self sacrifice and it does not make you popular. This man's motives cannot be trusted in being pure because he does not have a standard of morality that is consistent that would also be a standard that is in line with a book or guideline for all of his fellow scientists.

Ad hominem. You are claiming that he is untrustworthy because he doesn't have the right faith.

I don't trust him because he is sinful and he is looking to eliminate the truth of God which is impossible because God is clearly seen even by His handiwork (the creation).

And in case we needed any further proof you aren't interested in an actual discussion...

Dinosaur blood being discovered in T-Rex bones is a good one. If the Earth was millions of years old, then the blood should have dried up completely by now. But again, I am sure you have an ace up your sleeve to deny it. Again, these kinds of things are not really going to change your mind. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can change you so that you can see.

Please show me a scientific source that says actual blood from dinosaurs has been discovered.

Check out the video sources I provided for you and see for yourself if I am correct or not.

Are the videos made by people who actually understand evolution? If so, who are they?

A child can present something that is true and yet it is still true. The person presenting the facts does not really have anything to do with the evidences or information that they are presenting. He is just presenting the facts or information. What you do with those facts or information is up to you. Again, watch the video by Chuck Missler and you will see a side of the Bible that you have not known before. Chuck is merely presenting facts that show that God's Word is divine in origin.

Ah, but he's not just stating facts, is he? He's presenting his opinion. And if he isn't qualified to understand evolution, then his opinion is pretty much meaningless.

Sure it is because the Bible aligns with all Science, and things we know in this world. Most importantly the Bible is a guidebook for the most purest form of living correctly and in having a relationship with GOD. I am sure God knows more than you.

No it doesn't. There's a ton of stuff in the Bible that does not agree with science.

But what do you have to offer in return? A life without GOD. A life full of sin. A life without the fruits of the Spirit like love, joy, and peace. So you offer nothing that a Christian truly wants.

I prefer to have the truth, even if it's an unpleasant one. Remember, you can't find truth by just looking for whatever makes you happy and then deciding that is the truth.

Keep reading. In Luke 19:1-10, we learn that Zacchaeus gave only half of his goods to the poor; and if he had taken any thing from any man by false accusation, he would restore unto them fourfold; And yet, Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house. So obviously this did not apply to every single believer.

So you've given half your stuff away then?

Tinker Grey · Mar 18, 2021

VirOptimus said:
That would be interesting.

I would not want to be a fly on that wall.

Ceallaigh · Mar 18, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
I don't care to really know because using fancy insulting terms like True Scottsman, Strawman sounds like we are in highschool instead of just speaking plainly what we mean. Sure, some of them may be true on some level, but the problem is an attempt to not really explain anything on our own. Anyone can throw around terms, but to speak in real thought with intelligence and making a good argument is another thing. For have you not heard someone use the word strawman and yet it was not a strawman? They keep using the word strawman as a deflection. That is why terms like these are not all that helpful in my opinion. Imagine a whole thread that just used these terms alone. There would be no real argument or discussion. For example: I disagree with the term Gish Galop. For me: Information is not my enemy. So if a person throws in a resource that provides a ton of evidence as an argument, it does not mean they are wrong by any means for doing so. It would be like me giving a person a Bible and telling them to read it for themselves with God's help rather than if I just gave them a few verses. I am also not called to learn these terms. To analyze the validity of these terms and to see if they are always true is a full time job that I did not sign up for. So I would encourage people to just speak plainy. If a person really wants to be intelligent, they should learn the unique phrases that the Bible uses. These terms that folks use today will pass away. But God's Word will endure forever.

You set up strawmen and you try to overwhelm with excessive posts (gish gallop) all the time. That's how you operate. And as long as you keep doing that, people are going to keep pointing it out.

Ceallaigh · Mar 18, 2021

Kylie said:
Wow. You really think it's a nice thing to do, to tell non-believers that they secretly are believers? That you know them better than they know themselves?

And what are the three parts?

IIRC the proton, neutron and electron.

Bungle_Bear · Mar 18, 2021

MMXX said:
IIRC the proton, neutron and electron.

Except in the most common atom. Hydrogen has no neutron.

Ceallaigh · Mar 18, 2021

Bungle_Bear said:
Except in the most common atom. Hydrogen has no neutron.

Drat.

But then again does that really detract from the illustration of how an atom can have three components and also be a single unit?

Kylie · Mar 18, 2021

MMXX said:
IIRC the proton, neutron and electron.

Except that protons, neutrons and electrons are not the fundamental pieces. They are made up of quarks.

Specifically, a proton is made up of two Up quarks, a Down quark and the gluons that hold them together. A neutron is made of two down quarks and an up quark along with the gluons that hold them together. Electrons themselves appear to be fundamental particles. However, there are six different types of quark. So not really sure where the whole Trinity thing comes in there. And, of course, this is assuming that quarks are the fundamental pieces.

Bungle_Bear · Mar 18, 2021

MMXX said:
Drat.

But then again does that really detract from the illustration of how an atom can have three components and also be a single unit?

If you're happy that the most common idea of the Trinity is only twofold but there are other ideas which are threefold go ahead. But really all you've got is a failed analogy.

Ceallaigh · Mar 18, 2021

Kylie said:
Wow. You really think it's a nice thing to do, to tell non-believers that they secretly are believers? That you know them better than they know themselves?

According to BH being a believer doesn't count for much anyways.

Ceallaigh · Mar 18, 2021

Kylie said:
Except that protons, neutrons and electrons are not the fundamental pieces. They are made up of quarks.

Specifically, a proton is made up of two Up quarks, a Down quark and the gluons that hold them together. A neutron is made of two down quarks and an up quark along with the gluons that hold them together. Electrons themselves appear to be fundamental particles. However, there are six different types of quark. So not really sure where the whole Trinity thing comes in there. And, of course, this is assuming that quarks are the fundamental pieces.

Are you trying to gish gallop me? I barely remembered the protons, neutrons and electron part and wasn't sure even about that. And I'm not sure where the Trinity thing comes in either, as I'm late to the party.

Bungle_Bear · Mar 18, 2021

MMXX said:
And I'm not sure where the Trinity thing comes in either, as I'm late to the party.

Now that's just dishonest

Kylie · Mar 18, 2021

MMXX said:
Are you trying to gish gallop me? I barely remembered the protons, neutrons and electron part and wasn't sure even about that. And I'm not sure where the Trinity thing comes in either, as I'm late to the party.

How is that a Gish Gallop? I'm just pointing out that the proton, neutron and electron don't make up a trinity as BH appeared to be implying.

AV1611VET · Mar 18, 2021

Bungle_Bear said:
If you're happy that the most common idea of the Trinity is only twofold but there are other ideas which are threefold go ahead. But really all you've got is a failed analogy.

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Ceallaigh · Mar 18, 2021

Kylie said:
How is that a Gish Gallop? I'm just pointing out that the proton, neutron and electron don't make up a trinity as BH appeared to be implying.

I was being facetious. And self depreciating considering how limited and rusty my knowledge of such things is. I agree, it was a bad analogy. I'm not sure if anyone has ever come up with a good one along those lines. The only two I remember offhand is an egg (shell, whites and yoke). And the shamrock analogy courtesy of St. Patrick.

Ceallaigh · Mar 18, 2021

Bungle_Bear said:
Now that's just dishonest

Admitting that I'm ignorant as to where, when, why and how the trinity thing started in this thread, is hardly a displaying dishonesty. It also means I was too lazy to find out.

Kylie · Mar 18, 2021

AV1611VET said:
1 x 1 x 1 = 1

That's not how maths works, not in this case anyway.

Bungle_Bear · Mar 18, 2021

AV1611VET said:
1 x 1 x 1 = 1

1 ÷ 1 ÷ 1 = 1

What's your point?

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 19, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
You know, Jeffrey Dahmer believed that we all came from the slime. Look what he did as a result of such a belief. He went out and did a lot of bad stuff because he believed he did not have to answer to a creator God. But when he gave his life to Jesus in prison, his perspective on things changed.

So if Jeffrey Dahmer's behaviour was typical of evolution-accepting atheists, and then later, typical of Christians, we should expect to see evolution-accepting atheists murdering and raping, and Christians not murdering and raping.

Do we see that rather significant difference in the real world? No - and have Christians ever killed because of their beliefs? Yes.

As Penn Gillette said, speaking for atheists in general, "The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don’t want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don’t want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you."

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