Can Judas be blamed?

rturner76 · Mar 18, 2021

John 13:27~ As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, "What you are about to do, do quickly."

Here it says "Satan entered into him." Jesus actually told Satan to do his work, not Judas. It seems Judas was possessed no?

Controversial to excuse him but I'm just throwing out the possibility that Judas was not in control of his body at the time.

SeventyOne · Mar 18, 2021

Jesus had already previously referred to Judas as a 'son of perdition and a 'devil'. Judas opened himself up to this all on his own.

Light of the East · Mar 18, 2021

Will Judas Be Forgiven?

Petros2015 · Mar 18, 2021

Behold. Jesus isn't the only one who stands at the door and knocks.

Petros2015 · Mar 18, 2021

Matthew 19, I always thought this was interesting:

27 “Look,” Peter replied, “we have left everything to follow You. What then will there be for us?” 28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

"Truly I tell you"
12 thrones for the 12 Apostles judging the 12 tribes...

Et tu, Judas?

Friedrich Rubinstein · Mar 18, 2021

This might seem harsh to you, but no human being is their own master. You can choose between God and the devil, there is no 3rd option.

timothyu · Mar 18, 2021

? Was Judas a victim of predestination

rturner76 · Mar 18, 2021

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
This might seem harsh to you, but no human being is their own master. You can choose between God and the devil, there is no 3rd option.

Please elaborate...........I think there could be a message worth revealing here.

Palmfever · Mar 18, 2021

Do you think Satan can enter a spirit filled Christian? I don't. "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other..."

rturner76 · Mar 18, 2021

timothyu said:
? Was Judas a victim of predestination

Woah.......(boom!) Mind Officially Blown.

How could Judas resist his predestination to betray Christ? If you look at it that way, he really didn't have a choice, nor did he choose to hang himself from the guilt if he was predestined to.

Makes me wonder what I'm predestined to do. Is there any way to get the information included in your destiny in advance?

Silverback · Mar 18, 2021

rturner76 said:
John 13:27~ As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, "What you are about to do, do quickly."

Here it says "Satan entered into him." Jesus actually told Satan to do his work, not Judas. It seems Judas was possessed no?

Controversial to excuse him but I'm just throwing out the possibility that Judas was not in control of his body at the time.

If we start to question the culpability and guilt of Judas, then what about Pontius? Everyone involved was part of Gods plan. It may seem unfair, but Gods thoughts are not our thoughts, his ways are not are ways. If God does something, it is always just, right and fair. Judas lacked a saving faith, he knew who Jesus was, but did not trust in him as savior of the world.

rturner76 · Mar 18, 2021

Palmfever said:
Do you think Satan can enter a spirit-filled Christian? I don't. "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other..."

At that point, Christ had not been crowned so they were still just Israelites (Jews). Judas didn't survive to the resurrection.

rturner76 · Mar 18, 2021

Silverback said:
If we start to question the culpability and guilt of Judas, then what about Pontius? Everyone involved was part of Gods plan. It may seem unfair, but Gods thoughts are not our thoughts, his ways are not are ways. If God does something, it is always just, right and fair. Judas lacked a saving faith, he knew who Jesus was, but did not trust in him as savior of the world.

I think you are on to something here. Judas had made arrangements before Christ told him to go to his accusers so he was on track to betray him already.

renniks · Mar 18, 2021

rturner76 said:
John 13:27~ As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, "What you are about to do, do quickly."

Here it says "Satan entered into him." Jesus actually told Satan to do his work, not Judas. It seems Judas was possessed no?

Controversial to excuse him but I'm just throwing out the possibility that Judas was not in control of his body at the time.

Key words being "at that time". He had already made his choice. It's a strange theory to think Jesus was saying he approved.

ewq1938 · Mar 18, 2021

What does scripture say about Judas?

1: Judas was a devil..................................John 6:70-71
2: Judas was a traitor................................Luke 6:16
3: Judas was a betrayer.............................Multiple scriptures.
4: Judas was a thief..................................John 12:6
5: Judas didn't care for the poor..................John 12:6
6: Judas was spiritually unclean..................John 13:11
7: Judas guilty of a greater sin...................John 19:11
8: Judas is a wicked man............................Psalms 109:6
9: Judas is condemned...............................Psalms 109:7
10: Judas is lost........................................John 17:12
11: Judas is the son of perdition..................John 17:12
12: Judas' prayer is sin................................Psalms 109:7
13: Judas deserves no mercy.......................Psalms 109:12
14: Judas committed suicide........................Matthew 27:5
15: Judas influenced by Satan......................John 13:2
16: Judas had Satan within him....................Luke 22:3-6
17: Judas harmed Christ..............................John 13:18, Psalms 41:9
18: Judas better off never born....................Mark 14:18-2, Matthew 26:24
19: Judas knew he sinned against Jesus........Matthew 27:3-5
20: Judas' habitation to be desolate.............Acts 1:20, Psalms 69:25

Friedrich Rubinstein · Mar 18, 2021

rturner76 said:
Please elaborate...........I think there could be a message worth revealing here.

Well, throughout the Bible you will find two sides only: God and Satan. Good and bad. Fleshly and spiritually. Righteous and unrighteous. There is never a third party, there is no "neutral".

Jesus said "whoever is not with me is against me". The devil received power on this earth, and he's in control of those who don't belong to God. Jesus' death did not just save us from hell, it also freed us from the devil's grasp (which is the reason why Paul talks so much about the new life we shall live and the new nature we got).

timothyu · Mar 18, 2021

Judas knew that Jesus had a death wish but was Judas trying to destroy Him or save Him from Himself (that goodwill also being a sin because it was His will he followed and not God's, the usual way of man, a lose lose situation), thinking He would be punished and released. The Sanhedrin did not have the authourity to execute so why assume the outcome would be more than punishment?

rturner76 · Mar 18, 2021

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
Well, throughout the Bible you will find two sides only: God and Satan. Good and bad. Fleshly and spiritually. Righteous and unrighteous. There is never a third party, there is no "neutral".

Jesus said "whoever is not with me is against me". The devil received power on this earth, and he's in control of those who don't belong to God. Jesus' death did not just save us from hell, it also freed us from the devil's grasp (which is the reason why Paul talks so much about the new life we shall live and the new nature we got).

Thanks, I understand. You are in or out.

Light of the East · Mar 18, 2021

rturner76 said:
Woah.......(boom!) Mind Officially Blown.

How could Judas resist his predestination to betray Christ? If you look at it that way, he really didn't have a choice, nor did he choose to hang himself from the guilt if he was predestined to.

Makes me wonder what I'm predestined to do. Is there any way to get the information included in your destiny in advance?

That's my question in this piece:

Will Judas Be Forgiven?

If Judas was predestined to betray Christ, then I find it impossible to say that God is love. Would love really create sentient beings whose only purpose was to serve an end and then suffer intolerable torment forever? That really doesn't sound like love to me.

Light of the East · Mar 18, 2021

Silverback said:
If we start to question the culpability and guilt of Judas, then what about Pontius? Everyone involved was part of Gods plan. It may seem unfair, but Gods thoughts are not our thoughts, his ways are not are ways. If God does something, it is always just, right and fair. Judas lacked a saving faith, he knew who Jesus was, but did not trust in him as savior of the world.

God is love. Tell me how love creates ex nihlo, with no need to do so, sentient beings whose only purpose is to suffer? Does that in any way meet the standard defintion of love or the biblical definition?

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