Is the Seventh Day Adventist Church orthodox

Freth said:

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Isaiah 58:13-14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

• Remember the Sabbath day (observe it) and remember creation (when God sanctified it).
• Keep it holy.
  • Do not do any work.
  • Rest.
  • Not doing your own ways, finding your own pleasure or speaking your own words.
• Call the Sabbath a delight, because it's the holy [day] of the Lord and honorable.

These things are not difficult whatsoever. Any Christian can keep the Sabbath. It is not a burden but a blessing. If God's holy Sabbath is a burden, then you have one foot in the world.

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Danthemailman said:

Even when modern day sabbatarians set out to "keep the sabbath day," are they truly keeping the sabbath? To "keep the sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under old covenant law involved compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If sabbath day observances are still required under the law, then so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5). No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) *These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)

If keeping the sabbath day is still in affect today, then why don't sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If keeping the sabbath day is still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Are sabbatarians today going to enforce that? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant, no sabbatarian today can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

In Colossians 2:16-17, we read - Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

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Albion said:

There was plenty more in those posts than just "pointing out scripture." The "pointing" came with a lot of ugly characterizations of Christians who do not agree with your denomination on this matter.

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Danthemailman said:

SDA’s have some extreme views in regards to keeping the sabbath day. They even teach that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Mark of the Beast

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Danthemailman said:

Even when modern day sabbatarians set out to "keep the sabbath day," are they truly keeping the sabbath? To "keep the sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under old covenant law involved compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If sabbath day observances are still required under the law, then so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5). No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) *These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)

If keeping the sabbath day is still in affect today, then why don't sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If keeping the sabbath day is still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Are sabbatarians today going to enforce that? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant, no sabbatarian today can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

In Colossians 2:16-17, we read - Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

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imge said:

Read Colossians 2 and you will easily know this is not about God's weekly Sabbath. God said His Sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 meaning it can not be broken. So this would be contradictory to what God told us so it has to be about something else and it is. If you read Colossians its all about food and drink which is about the Sabbath(s) festivals, not the weekly Sabbath that God institutionalized from Creation Genesis 2:3 There is nothing in God's Ten about food or drink or blood sacrifices. These are all ceremonial laws that ended at the cross not God's weekly Sabbath that will never go away for eternity Isaiah 66:23.

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truefiction1 said:

Before the end of the 1st Christian century the Church had determined that the Sabbath was appropriate to the Old Testament, like all the various ceremonial laws and circumcision, by that the New Testament does indeed change things. The Lord's Day now takes precedence in our lives and worship, because He, the Son of Man, is the "Lord of the Sabbath", and the fulfillment of the Old Testament, all of which came to be in order to prepare Christians for His Gospel.

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Danthemailman said:

Even when modern day sabbatarians set out to "keep the sabbath day," are they truly keeping the sabbath? To "keep the sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under old covenant law involved compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If sabbath day observances are still required under the law, then so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5). No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) *These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)

If keeping the sabbath day is still in affect today, then why don't sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If keeping the sabbath day is still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Are sabbatarians today going to enforce that? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant, no sabbatarian today can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

In Colossians 2:16-17, we read - Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

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• I don't have a fireplace.
• I do remain home on Sabbath. The only exception being enjoying God's creation.
• I don't buy or sell on the Sabbath.

imge said:

Please show me in scripture where God or Jesus said He abolished the 4th commandment and we now have a new holy day or a new Sabbath that is now on the first day.

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truefiction1 said:

I'd rather just show you the Scriptures where Jesus gave His Apostles the authority to teach in His Church and where the Apostles gave that authority to others to do the same. Since this change in practice came about while the Apostle's immediate authoritative appointees (ordained bishops) were still living ministers guiding the Church, it's correct to believe that it's God's will for His children to observe Sunday.

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imge said:

God said His Sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 meaning it can not be broken.

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imge said:

I would rather believe God when He said we can not change one Word.

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imge said:

Read Colossians 2 and you will easily know this is not about God's weekly Sabbath. God said His Sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 meaning it can not be broken. So this would be contradictory to what God told us so it has to be about something else and it is. If you read Colossians its all about food and drink which is about the Sabbath(s) festivals, not the weekly Sabbath that God institutionalized from Creation Genesis 2:3 There is nothing in God's Ten Exodus 20 about food or drink or blood sacrifices. These are all ceremonial laws that ended at the cross not God's weekly Sabbath that will never go away for eternity Isaiah 66:23.

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DamianWarS said:

it's about understanding and application not about removing. in your logic, we would be under the entire law not explicitly spoken about in the NT.

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imge said:

I would rather believe God when He said we can not change one Word.

Proverb 30:5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Or when Jesus warned us of keeping commandments of man instead of God's commandments

Mathew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

If you break one commandment, you break them all. The saints are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:12).

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truefiction1 said:

There is so much that people do not know of the only True God, and Jesus Christ that even when they're sure they know the meaning of what they read in God's Word, their knowledge is poisoned. This is why there is a Church in which the Holy Spirit Lives. We are here. We exist. We want to give Life in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We have Life in abundance, as the Good Shepherd alone can give. Therefore we've no use for voices of strangers, and don't recognize those voices. We study the Word of God always. So how do you dare to presume to know it better than us? You don't, because you don't know Him or see Him as we all should. If you did you'd be one with us.

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Freth said:

• I don't have a fireplace.
• I do remain home on Sabbath. The only exception being enjoying God's creation.
• I don't buy or sell on the Sabbath.

Not an issue. If you convince yourself you can't keep it, you won't. God wants us to keep it Holy. I don't think it's difficult at all.

As for Colossians 2:16-17, that's already been discussed at length in other threads. Here's one excerpt:

Verses 8 and 18-23 of the same chapter show the context.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:18-23 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Verse 16 is talking about not letting men judge you for obeying God's law. It doesn't change the law, nor does it say anywhere in this chapter that you can decide for yourself that God's Sabbath is on Sunday (see vain deceit, tradition of men, rudiments of the world; not after Christ).

The very thing the chapter is cautioning against, you're using verse 16 to support—following the tradition of men.​

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Danthemailman said:

The Plural “Sabbaton” in Colossians 2:16 includes the 7th Day Sabbath. The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of rest that were to be observed by the Jews.

“Sabbath” appears in the plural in the Greek text of Matthew 28:1 “Now after the Sabbath” this is the same word in Colossians 2:16. If this is ceremonial then the Sabbath Jesus kept was also ceremonial.

Luke 4:16 He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath; Acts 16:13 and John 5:9 Now it was the Sabbath on that day; John 5:10 It is the Sabbath; John 5:16 on the Sabbath.

There are around 60 examples of the same word being consistently used excep
One would have to go against the clear scriptural teaching. “Sabbath” appears in the plural in the Greek text of Matthew 28:1 “Now after the Sabbath” this is the same word in Colossians 2:16. If this is ceremonial then the Sabbath Jesus kept was also ceremonial.

Luke 4:16 He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath; Acts 16:13 and John 5:9 Now it was the Sabbath on that day; John 5:10 It is the Sabbath; John 5:16 on the Sabbath.

There are about 60 examples of the same word being consistently used except when SDA’s come to Colossians 2:16 they reverse it. SDA’s obviously have an agenda that comes with a presupposition to make scripture uphold their tradition.

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

God’s Word makes it clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath,celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.”(Deuteronomy 5:15)

In regards to Isaiah 66:23, this simply teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship Him, in contrast with keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. In the new heaven and new earth, we read there we will have no need of the sun or moon, there will be no night there, but one perpetual day and the glory of God will illuminate it. (Revelation 21:23-25). How then could there be a cycle of seven days that would allow for literally keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law? New moons require night, hence sabbatarians have night in heaven, yet there is no day and night cycles in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night.

Will there be Levitical priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will be observing the weekly sabbath day and new moons in the new heaven and new earth, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it is also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. *The old and new covenants do not mix.

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