The Final Judgement

Mike Tang said:

Hi,

Is Jesus supposed to do the "Final Judgement" of all mankind when He returns ?

If so, what is the timing of this ?

Does this Final Judgement (Separation of Sheep and Goats) happen BEFORE setting up His Kingdom ?

Thank you for any clarification!

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His kingdom started with His church. Final judgment will happen upon His return.

It happens before he comes because his reward is with him *Revelation 22:11-15

Mike Tang said:

Hi,

Is Jesus supposed to do the "Final Judgement" of all mankind when He returns ?

If so, what is the timing of this ?

Does this Final Judgement (Separation of Sheep and Goats) happen BEFORE setting up His Kingdom ?

Thank you for any clarification!

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When Jesus returns, he will setup his kingdom on this present earth for the 1000 year millennial reign.

At the end of the 1000 years, once it is over, at the Great White Throne Judgement, Jesus will judge all of mankind - excluding them who had been raptured/resurrected at an early time prior to the great tribulation beginning, and them resurrected at the beginning of the 1000 years (the great tribulation saint martyrs, Revelation 20:4-6).


The Great White Throne Judgement is the final judgement.

Mike Tang said:

Hi,

Is Jesus supposed to do the "Final Judgement" of all mankind when He returns ?

If so, what is the timing of this ?

Does this Final Judgement (Separation of Sheep and Goats) happen BEFORE setting up His Kingdom ?

Thank you for any clarification!

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The sheep and goats
the judgment deals with those on earth among the Gentiles who have survived the tribulation and now await judgment in relation to entrance into the millennial kingdom. It is accordingly not a general judgment, not a judgment of the church which has been raptured earlier, nor is it a judgment of the dead as in Revelation 20:11-15.

Douggg said:

When Jesus returns, he will setup his kingdom on this present earth for the 1000 year millennial reign.

At the end of the 1000 years, once it is over, at the Great White Throne Judgement, Jesus will judge all of mankind - excluding them who had been raptured/resurrected at an early time prior to the great tribulation beginning, and them resurrected at the beginning of the 1000 years (the great tribulation saint martyrs, Revelation 20:4-6).


The Great White Throne Judgement is the final judgement.

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The time of the judgment of the dead is found below, shortly after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. It includes reward for some, and destruction for the others. This passage proves the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


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A believer never faces a judgment to determine whether they have believed in The Messiah for Eternal Life. They at the moment of belief pass from death to life.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

The only judgement a believer will face is the judgment seat of The Messiah. A judgment to determine loss or gain of rewards for the believer.

Of course i can see if a person believes in a worked based salvation where they believe they will be judged to see if they receive Gods free gift of Eternal Life based on their good works being more than their bad sins. But there is no support in the Bible for this.

BABerean2 said:

The time of the judgment of the dead is found below, shortly after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. It includes reward for some, and destruction for the others. This passage proves the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


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The judgement of the dead in Christ, who will have been raptured/resurrected earlier, and given rewards is at the bema seat judgment of Christ in heaven.

While here on earth, the world goes through the great tribulation.

Douggg said:

The judgement of the dead in Christ, who will have been raptured/resurrected earlier, and given rewards is at the bema seat judgment of Christ in heaven.

While here on earth, the world goes through the great tribulation.

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Your chart falls apart at the end of Revelation 11:18, with those who are destroyed.


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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BABerean2 said:

Your chart falls apart at the end of Revelation 11:18, with those who are destroyed.


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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At Jesus's return he destroys them who have gathered to make war on him. Corresponds to Ezekiel 39:17-20. As a prelude to Armageddon, the kings of the east march toward the middle east, destroying everything in their path. Killing a third of mankind in the process. Revelation 9:18, Revelation 16:12.



Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Mike Tang said:

Hi,

Is Jesus supposed to do the "Final Judgement" of all mankind when He returns ?

If so, what is the timing of this ?

Does this Final Judgement (Separation of Sheep and Goats) happen BEFORE setting up His Kingdom ?

Thank you for any clarification!

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Welcome! You will get different answers depending on one's eschatological view. I do hope you take that under consideration and not get confused.
I believe all will be resurrected ,some to everlasting life and some to condemnation. This happens in a twinkle of an eye. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our advocate with the Father. Though His Kingfom is not of this world, those who have been born again are part of His Body in other words in His Kingdom. The New Heaven and earth will come at that same twinkle.
Be blessed.

Douggg said:

The judgement of the dead in Christ, who will have been raptured/resurrected earlier, and given rewards is at the bema seat judgment of Christ in heaven.

While here on earth, the world goes through the great tribulation.

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You have been told by numerous posters on here, these charts bear no resemblance to what the Scriptures teach, yet you dismiss the inspired text presented. You are forcing your opinions on the sacred text.

The Bible teaches: when Jesus comes that is the end!

· There is nowhere in Scripture that talk about "resurrection days" (plural).
· There is nowhere in Scripture that talk about "judgement days" (plural).

Acts 17:30-31 reinforces my supposition: “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”

Peter testifies in 1 Peter 4:1-5 that there are two distinct types of people, (1) the righteous; whom Christ “suffered for” and who “no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God” and (2) the wicked who “think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you.” All of whom, Peter says, “shall give account to him (Christ) that is ready to judge the quick (or the living) and the dead” (1 Peter 4:5).

This phrase the “quick and the dead” or the ‘living and the dead’, which comes up a few times in the New Testament, is so totally all-inclusive and unequivocal that one can’t imagine the Holy Spirit employing a more explicit expression to describe the full amount of all mankind. This plain saying unquestionably encompasses the complete amount of Adam’s race – of all time. Every single person conceived from Adam must undoubtedly fall into one category or the other.

Peter testifies in Acts 10:42 to the fact that everyone will stand before the great Judge – Christ – and that “he (Christ) commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”

Every man woman and child will therefore stand before the great Judge of all judges. Notwithstanding, whilst, most Bible students accept this fact, the Premillennialist wrongly tries to argue that the wicked and the righteous will stand before God on two distinct Judgment Days, at two distinct times, separated by over a thousand years, despite there being not one verse in Scripture to support such a notion. This includes their beloved Revelation 20 that only records one judgment of “the dead” that occurs immediately after Gog and Magog comes against the saints and, like elsewhere in Scripture, coincides with the destruction of the wicked and this world and the glorious Second Advent.

2 Timothy 4:1-8 informs us when this glorious (all-inclusive) number will actually stand to account before the throne of God, saying, “I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom … there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.”

Adam’s race – in total – are therefore judged “at his (Christ’s) ‘epifaneian’ (or) appearing and his kingdom.” This is an all-inclusive general judgment. The subjects involved and the occasion referred to could not be clearer.

Jesus said, in the parable of the wheat and tares, in Matthew 13:24-30, “The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field … Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, (1) Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but (2) gather the wheat into my barn.”

Verses 39-43 continues, “the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. (1) As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (2) Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.”

Here, “the end of the world” is expressly linked to the gathering together of the saints by the angels and the complete destruction of the wicked. It is therefore the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ when Christ “shall send forth his angels” to reap that one final all-consummating harvest.