Was the 70th Week of Daniel Fulfilled during the First Century?

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath -GOD'S WRATH - is come ...

Douggg said:

Oseas, it is the first beast coming out of the sea who will claim to be God, not the beast coming out of the earth.

There are three main archvillains in Revelation.

1. Satan, the rebellious angel.
2. the beast out of the sea - the little horn>Antichrist>beast person.
3. the beast out of the earth - the false prophet.

At Jesus's return to earth...

1. Satan will be bound, cast into the bottomless pit.
2. the beast out of the sea - the little horn>Antichrist>beast person will be cast alive into the lake of fire.
3. the beast out of the earth - the false prophet will also be cast alive into the lake of fire.

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The Beast of sea will no claim to be GOD, but the son of perdition, who is the Beast of the earth like a lamb, it is he who will claim to be God, not the Beast of sea.

Oseas said:

The Beast of sea will no claim to be GOD, but the son of perdition, who is the Beast of the earth like a lamb, it is he who will claim to be God, not the Beast of sea.

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The beast out of the earth does not claim to be God. The beast out of the earth has the peoples of the earth worship the beast out of the sea v12.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

The first beast is the little horn>Antichrist>revealed man of sin, son of perdition>beast - person

Today, in the present time, the red Dragon manifest not himself, so his body is not known yet, but everything he needs to built his body is ready, so as soon as he manifest himself he will attach the whole structures of the Roman Catholic Church - the great harlot, and the papacy -the Vatican City - to his body.

Then the false messiah of the Jews, whose people preferred Barabbas instead JESUS, yeah, then the MAN false messiah, the son of perdition, begins to built his body in whole earth and first his body will have 7 heads and 10 horns, 7 heads of the great harlot, and 10 horns are the 10 tribes of Israel which rebelled against the hose of David. By the way, JESUS is of the house of David and they rebelled against JESUS too.

But what about the TAIL? Well, when the satanic false messiah begins to make great signs and wonders, the leaders or guides of all denominations, and sects, and pseudo-evangelical peoples called Gospel, will preach in the Churches, saying that Christ returned (not JESUS, but Christ, a false Christ, of course) and they will deceive multitudes. These false preachers of Scriptures are the TAIL of the red Dragon.

Then his body will be complete by entire, with 7 heads, 10 horns, and a TAIL.

TAIL are all false prophets: Isaiah 9:v.15 to 17 and 14

15 The ancient and honourable, he is the HEAD; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the TAIL.

16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.

17 Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

Be careful or get ready

Oseas said:

Then the false messiah of the Jews, whose people preferred Barabbas instead JESUS, yeah, then the MAN false messiah, the son of perdition, begins to built his body in whole earth and first his body will have 7 heads and 10 horns, 7 heads of the great harlot, and 10 horns are the 10 tribes of Israel which rebelled against the hose of David. By the way, JESUS is of the house of David and they rebelled against JESUS too.

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Oseas, the 7 heads are 7 heads of the beast - not the great harlot. The great harlot rides the beast, but is not the beast herself.

The 7 heads do represents 7 mountains where the harlot sits - i.e. Rome.

The 7 heads also represents 7 kings associated with that city. The 6th king was ruling at the time of John - Nero. (Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, Nero).

The 7th king, yet to come, will be the little horn person.

The little horn person who goes through three basic roles to his end as the beast, is the 7th head on the beast coming out of the sea.

little horn (leader of the EU) > then becomes the Antichrist, King of Israel coming in his own name > then becomes the beast (dictator of the EU)

i.e little horn > Antichrist > beast
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regarding barrabus - the crowd did not say "we have no king but barrabus". They shouted "we have no king, but Caesar"

The little horn person will be descended from the Julio-Claudian Caesar family bloodline, as the 7th king. He will also be Jew.

........king 7...............................................................king 8
leader of the EU.....................King of Israel..........dictator of the EU
little horn (a Julio Claudian) > Antichrist (a Jew) > beast (a Julio Claudian)

BABerean2 said:

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.


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Nothing in Matthew 23:37-38 refutes the idea that the temple and city of Jerusalem continued for 40 years after the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.


There will soon be a third temple.




JLB

JLB777 said:

There will soon be a third temple.

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There will be a third temple - soon. It may be downsized, with plans to expand, at first in order to get the temple ordinances started as soon as possible.

BABerean2 said:

The third temple of God is found below. It is just as real as any temple which has ever existed. I know the current location of the "chief cornerstone" in that temple. I have also handled some of the other stones in this temple.

1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


No future man-made temple will be a temple of God.

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The temple of God that Paul refers to in 2 Thessalonians 2 refers to the Temple in Jerusalem that the antichrist will go to and claim he is God. In this way he will be revealed.


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4


The lawless one is a man, a false messiah who will go to a physical temple and “show himself” to be God. He will be seen and he will person false signs and wonders to deceive people, “unbelieving Jews”, as well as those he deceives.

• so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Otherwise if you believe the temple he will sit in is the Church, then please explain to all of us how a physical man can sit inside the body of Christ, the spiritual temple of God. Why would God allow the antichrist to enter His temple?


You theory is preposterous.





JLB

JLB777 said:

The temple of God that Paul refers to in 2 Thessalonians 2 refers to the Temple in Jerusalem that the antichrist will go to and claim he is God. In this way he will be revealed.

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revealed.....as the man of sin. And not the messiah afterall (as the Jews, Israel, will be thinking at the time), ending his time as the Antichrist.

His next functional role will be the beast of Revelation 13. Which will be his final functional role.

BABerean2 said:

If a future antichrist sits in the "temple of God", he will have to sit in a building built by a church and claiming to be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.

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The church building a temple in Jerusalem on the temple mount ?

Daniel’s Seventieth Week
Contemporary Christian thought has its adherents waiting for what is called a Rapture, which they think is the Day of the Lord/Second Coming of Jesus.

They await a time when unbelievers experience a Great Tribulation which some think they will live thru (mid and post tribulation rapture) and some think they will escape (pre tribulation rapture).

This is followed by a glorious time when Jesus reigns on earth for 1000 years, and then after that taste of Heaven Satan is released to again cause destruction during which time He is finally and utterly defeated and thrown into the lake of fire.

This is the delusion that many Christians live in, believing it totally or in part.

1. The restoration of Spiritual Israel in Acts 1:6 refers of the Second Coming of Jesus which is described in Acts 3:19-21.

After His crucifixion Jesus went to prepare a place for us, and He then comes to receive us to Himself in John Chapter 14 verses 3 and 23.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. (KJV)

This happens when an individual repents of their unbelief.

This happens at conversion when an individual first places their faith in Jesus.

1. There is no rapture. The verses that supposedly refer to this actually refer to the correction of an individual backslidden believer.
2. The Millennium is the 1000 year period of Christ’s reign in the life of the individual. It is symbolic of the period when the devil is inactive in the believer’s life and they are obedient and do what Jesus wants.
3. The tribulation is what Jesus said would happen if an individual Christian lives “in the world” or lives in a worldly manner, John 16:33. The discipline that follows willful ungodly behavior is actually called “The Day of the Lord”.

Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. (KJV)

The application of each of these concepts to an individual as opposed to a group, solves most of the problems of interpretation.

Misunderstanding these four concepts contributes to Christian confusion.

Daniel 9:24-27 is a timeline of sorts. With 69 of the weeks fulfilled through the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the crucifixion of Jesus. There remains 1 week to go and this is described in verse 27.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. KJV

Jesus will confirm the covenant with many for the entire week.

That confirmation involves Jesus allowing desolation’s. These are the result of the “abomination that causes desolations” or willful sin. These resultant desolations are God’s judgment upon the willful sin of His people, and they continue until God’s desired result or “end” is reached achieved .

The sacrifice for sin is Jesus, but God will Himself cause this sacrifice to cease.

This means that Christians who sin will no longer seek forgiveness through recognizing and confessing their sinful actions as being sinful.

This is in accord with 2 Thess 2:11-12 which indicates that God will send delusion upon a person so that they can be judged. The sacrifice will cease. In other words Christians will no longer appeal to God for forgiveness. They will no longer appeal for forgiveness because their sinfulness has become willful.

God has sent them a delusion which results in their continual sin, 1 Kings 22:21-23. This is so He can judge their behavior and make them realize that it is truly sinful and ultimately cleanse them of it.

1Ki 22:21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, ‘I will entice him.’
22 And the LORD said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.’
23 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you.”

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie: (ASV) 12 that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (ASV)

Willful sin is the abomination that brings desolation.

Jesus will make the person desolate until the consummation, or decided end. This involves the sinfulness being rendered idle.

In this manner we can see the fulfillment of 1 Cor 11:32.

1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

These verses illustrate the Grace that God expresses toward mankind as He teaches Jesus followers to deny ungodliness, Titus 2:11-12.

As a consequence of “willful disobedience” an individual will experience discipline or tribulation called the “Day of the Lord”.

Daniel 9:24-27 is a parable concerning the correction of the backslidden condition of the nation of Israel (Christian individual after the Crucifixion). Daniel 9:24-27 is God’s response to Daniels prayer in verses 4-19 of the chapter.

The discipline/tribulation of the Christian individual ends with a conclusion. Consummation means that something is completely finished. The “end” or desired result is found in 1 Peter 1:9.

1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. (KJV)

Jesus refers to this consummation as the “end or goal of the age, mentioned in Matthew 24:14.

Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:12 KJV — Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements (elements or rudiments = sinful tendencies per the following references) shall melt with fervent heat?

Ga 4:3; Ga 4:9; Col 2:8; Col 2:20; 2Pe 3:10; 2Pe 3:12

As Rev 20:5 shows, the dead do not live again until the 1000 period/millennium is fulfilled/achieved, or until they are again obedient to Christ.

The spiritually dead do not experience the resurrected life in Christ again until the 1000 year period/millennium is completed/attained. In other words until they stop the willful sin.



Revelation 20

@brmicke

Do you hold the "idealist" eschatology viewpoint?

BABerean2 said:

Jesus said not one stone of the temple would be left stacked one upon another.
I believe what He said.

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All that is left on the temple mount is the foundation platform. The temple itself is gone.

The temple itself was an impressive size. And in bible, none of the disciples were comparing it to any Roman structure that might have been close by.

After the temple was destroyed (by the Romans), the Romans may have setup operation on the temple mount for their occupational army... with wooden structures, and call it fort Antonio. If so, those would have been removed by the Muslims when they over-ran Jerusalem.

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The practice of Islam is once they take over a country, they build mosques over the top of other religious sites (once they have destroyed those). In the case of the Dome and the mosque there, the temple was already destroyed.

BABerean2 said:

Based on Acts 21:31-40, we know the Roman fort was above the temple because the soldiers had to go “down” to rescue Paul from the mob at the temple.

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That just means that the Romans were occupying the temple mount at the time, not that there was a Roman fort built on it.

John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Mark 13: 1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

The mount of olives is directly across the Kidron valley from the temple mount.

Same now as it was in Jesus's day when the temple was standing on the temple mount.

Douggg said:

@brmicke

Do you hold the "idealist" eschatology viewpoint?

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I don't know what that is?

brmicke said:

I don't know what that is?

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Here is a copy and paste from the forum rules thread Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose
That thread outlines the different eschatoloy viewpoints that people hold. I am personally a futurist, futurism.
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Idealism: (also called the spiritual approach, the allegorical approach, the nonliteral approach, and many other names) in Christian eschatology is an interpretation of the Book of Revelation that sees all of the imagery of the book as symbols.