Help with Zech 8:23

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That is one verse that I think most likely was fulfilled, figuratively in the Early days of Christianity, like the book of Acts, NT times etc. before Christianity broke away from Judaism. (Their are plenty of times when pagans recognized the miracles and Holy Spirit on believers and wanted to be converted)


It is possible it relates to something in the distant future with Israel, but I don't exactly see why God would favor the natural Jew, Messianic Jew etc. over the Christian gentile believer.


I also think there is some idiomatic language going on etc. e.g. - Using 10 gentiles to one Jew etc. Kind of like this verse Isaiah 4:1
 
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That is one verse that I think most likely was fulfilled, figuratively in the Early days of Christianity, like the book of Acts, NT times etc. before Christianity broke away from Judaism. (Their are plenty of times when pagans recognized the miracles and Holy Spirit on believers and wanted to be converted)


It is possible it relates to something in the distant future with Israel, but I don't exactly see why God would favor the natural Jew, Messianic Jew etc. over the Christian gentile believer.


I also think there is some idiomatic language going on etc. e.g. - Using 10 gentiles to one Jew etc. Kind of like this verse Isaiah 4:1

Do you mean at pentecost?

Do you think ten people from all the nations means just 10 people or a throng - 10 from each country?

Acts 2
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6And when this sound rang out, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking his own language.7Astounded and amazed, they asked, “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8How is it then that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes, and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,c 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and converts to Judaism; Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”
 
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In those days ten people from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you"....

When do folks think this will happen and what events must take place first?
It is worth considering that Israel in this verse could very well be the church consisting of all believers in Jesus.
 
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In those days ten people from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you"....

When do folks think this will happen and what events must take place first?
Probably during the Esther fulfillment, if it happens. Some passages are fulfilled differently i.e. one Jesus said was fulfilled by Him reading it to that crowd. Therefore God knows.
 
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"In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.'" - ESV.

If this is a messianic prophecy then certainly the robe of the Jew (Jesus of Nazareth) is not a literal garment as Christ's disciples on that first Resurrection Sunday numbered only in the dozens and not a total of 10 men (and their families) from every nation.
 
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"In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.'" - ESV.

If this is a messianic prophecy then certainly the robe of the Jew (Jesus of Nazareth) is not a literal garment as Christ's disciples on that first Resurrection Sunday numbered only in the dozens and not a total of 10 men (and their families) from every nation.


It seems to me that the "Robe of the Jew" would be an allusion to the Jewish prayer Shawl or maybe the tassels on the garments mandated in Deuteronomy (or maybe both). And that would be some kind of allusion to Jesus as High Priest or priest in the Order of Melchizedek. And the general prophesy goes back to Abraham etc. and psalms. as far as "inheriting the nations".



There is a an aspect of the passage that kind of reminds me of the Millennial reign. There are number of passages in the Old Testament and New about God's people being "Kings and Priests", or that he desires for them to be etc. And the robe I think is a kind of shadow of that as far as being about Christ etc. as well as what he wants his followers to be. 10 is a very important number as far as the government of God. You have 10 Commandments. 10 is the minimum number needed for any kind of counsel, the minimum number of people to establish a synagogue or do anything in Judaism like a court etc.


Hebrew Numbers 1-10
 
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Here is the paragraph (in context) from Zechariah...

"Thus says the Lord of hosts: Peoples shall yet come, the inhabitants of many cities; the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, “Come, let us go to entreat the favor of the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts; I myself am going.” Many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to entreat the favor of the Lord. Thus says the Lord of hosts: In those days ten men from nations of every language shall take hold of a Jew, grasping his garment and saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” Zechariah 8:20-23

I think this is figurative language to show the Gentile desire to have what the Jews have: an unbreakable covenant with God.
 
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