Let's do a recap and talk detail...
Exegesis is when we let the scripture say what the scriptures mean instead of reading into the scriptures what the scriptures have never said. While the opposite of exegesis is eisegesis which is trying to read into the scriptures what the scriptures have never said.
Post # 1006 linked proves from the scriptures alone that many of your claims from the scriptures you posted in post 715 was eisegesis (reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say or do not teach.
For example...
1. You claim from "Clare73 said:
↑ Christ did not give us the Sabbath commandment, but Christ fulfills the full-time (Hebrews 4:3-4) Sabbath-rest of God to NT believers in his full-time salvation rest from our work to save, and rest in Jesus' finished work which has saved. (Heb 4:8-11)."
This is eisegesis! Where does it say in Hebrews 4:3-4 that Christ fulfills the full-time Sabbath-rest of God to NT believers in his full-time salvation rest from our work to save, and rest in Jesus' finished work which has saved? - Nowhere! As shown in
post # 1006 linked
Exegesis is reading from scripture what the scriptures say. This is what the scriptures say..
WHAT IS
HIS REST (God's) IN
HEBREWS 3 and
HEBREWS 4?
HEBREWS 4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest
, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest
, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works
.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
KEY POINTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES OF HEBREWS 4:1-5 (exegesis)
NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (
v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD [the GOSPEL] enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do not enter into that rest. The new testament writer of Hebrews is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and we continue in sin and unbelief (
Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "
seventh day" Sabbath rest in
Hebrews 4:1-5.
Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "
seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "
seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("
seventh day").
You on the other hand try and define Gods rest (the seventh day Sabbath) as something the scriptures are not talking about. Your providing scripture and reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say or teach anywhere (eisegesis).
[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9]
SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11],
Let us labor therefore to enter that rest, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].
KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9 (exegesis)
Now notice
Hebrews 4, verse 9: “
SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is
katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is
sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—
Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—
ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together,
sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated,
Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a
keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”
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2. Your premise in eisegesis of Hebrews 4:1-13 is that Jesus is the Sabbath
Yet the scriptures state nowhere that Jesus is the Sabbath (eisegesis). Hebrews 3:7-19 to Hebrews 4:13 shows that God's Rest/His Rest/My Rest is the seventh day Sabbath from the foundation of the world (exegesis) in Hebrews 4:3-5 and the warning given to God's people in Hebrews 3:7-19 and Hebrews 4:1-13 is that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and continue in sin which is defined in the scriptures as the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) we will not enter into His REST the seventh day Sabbath rest *Hebrews 4:2-5. There are two rests being described. One is our rest we receive through believing and following God's Word (the gospel) *
Matthew 11:28-30;
Hebrews 4:2-3 and the other is God's rest *
Hebrews 3:11; 18;
Hebrews 4:1; 3; 5-6; 8-9; 10-11.
Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. Why? Because the true seventh day Sabbath rest is a sign of God's true people who God sanctifies to keep all the commandments of God through faith in God's Word *
Exodus 31:13;
Exodus 31:17;
Ezekiel 20:12;
Ezekiel 20:20;
Revelation 12:17;
Revelation 22:14. Your explanation of
Hebrews 4 must be in light of all the scriptures provided in
Hebrews 3 and
Hebrews 4 which you have
not done.
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3. You go on to say from Hebrews 4 "Clare73 said:
↑ He is more than just example, he is the NT fulfillment of God's full-time Sabbath rest from his works, in Jesus' full-time salvation rest from our own works to save."
Here you try and claim that Jesus is a sabbath yet where in Hebrews or anywhere in the whole bible does it define Jesus as a sabbath? This is another example of eisegesis. Your trying to read into the scriptures what they do not say and do not teach. There is no scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath. Jesus is the creator of the Sabbath (Lord) that he made as a Holy day of rest according to
Mark 2:27-28 for all mankind. The only definition of what the Sabbath is in scripture is this one.
Exodus 20:10 But the "
seventh day is the sabbath" of the LORD your God.
Your reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught us how to correctly keep the Sabbath *
Matthew 12:1-12 where he also taught us that the Sabbath was made for mankind at creation *
Mark 2:27;
Genesis 2:1-3 and that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day (the Lord's day) *
Matthew 12:8.
Hebrews 3 and
Hebrews 4 are warnings to God's people to believe and follow Gods' Word and that the gospel is the Word of God we are to believe and follow and those who do not believe and follow God's Word do not enter into Gods' rest which is defined in
Hebrews 4:1-5 as the seventh day Sabbath. "Therefore" we are told it remains for the people of God (those who have entered into God's rest by believing Gods' Word the gospel) to keep the Sabbath in
Hebrews 4:9. Jesus is God and Lord of the Sabbath that he created for all mankind *Mark 2:27-28 and the Sabbath is defined in the scriptures (exegesis) as the "seventh day" of creation in Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Hebrews 4:3-4. Therefore we should believe what the scriptures tell us (exegesis) that it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath *Hebrews 4:9.
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4. You claim in your post the 10 commandments are the old covenant
While this is partly true it is
not completely true as the old Mosaic covenant included both Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is and the Mosiac book of the covenant written by Moses under God's direction *Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 31:9; Exodus 24:3-4; Deuteronomy 31:24-27). As was shown through the scriptures in
post # 1006 linked, God's 10 commandments are still a part of the new covenant. It is the "
shadow laws" for remission of sins from the Mosaic book of the covenant that are now fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises *
Hebrews 8:1-6;
Hebrews 9:1-12;
Hebrews 10:1-17. As shown through the scriptures both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic BOOK of the covenant were kept in the Ark of the covenant. God's 10 commandment were placed inside the Ark of the covenant underneath the mercy seat *
Exodus 25:16-17;
Deuteronomy 10:1-5 while the book of the covenant *
Exodus 24:7 was placed in the side of the Ark *
Deuteronomy 31:24-26. So the full story here is that both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic book of the law (
Exodus 24:7;
Deuteronomy 28:61; 29:21; 30:10; 31:24-26; Josiah 1:8; 8:31-34; 23:6; 24:26;
2 Kings 14:6; 22:8-11; 23:24;
2 Chronicles 17:9; 25:4; 34:14-15;
Nehemiah 8:1-8;18; 9:3;
Galatians 3:10;
Hebrews 9:19;
Hebrews 10:7 etc). So as shown from the scriptures the old covenant included both the 10 commandments and the Mosaic book of the law which included the shadow laws of remission of sins that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant based on better promises *
Hebrews 8:1-6.
Hebrews 10:1-17;
Psalms 40:7, Then said I, See, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me
Hebrews 10:7, Then said I, See, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do your will, O God. It is the volume of the book that pointed to Jesus that is fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises not God's 10 commandments.
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So, please do not tell me that your post # 715 has not been addressed by exegesis when it clearly has in
post # 1006 linked demonstrating what you were trying to present in the scriptures was eisegesis and not exegesis. This post was only sent in love as a help to the discussion. You are of course free to believe as you wish.
Hope this is helpful.
