Should Business Be Forced To Accept Unvaccinated Workers After Sept 1?
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totalitarian? only makes sense if English isn't your first language.
"idiot" is a reasonable but rude description of those who refuse to get vaccinated after the CDC makes recommendations with regard to their group. For example, it is reasonable for those pregnant to wait (but still may be a dangerous decision); similarly those with serious allergies.
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Now you're getting it! You don't have the right to infect everyone else.
I follow the advice of the worlds leading doctors who know more about covid than you do by orders of magnitude, not chasing conspiracies down rabbit holes on the internet.
Your right to make poor decisions and believe nonsense does not trump everyone's right to live. You're deeply confused as to what is your actual rights and just what you think you're entitled to. You have every right not to get vaccinated and we as a society have every right to not let you in our homes, businesses and schools because you made that decision. You have no right to any of those things whatsoever, and I suggest you read the bill of rights and the constitution.
If I had it my way I would require anyone in the western world who screamed about government control and tyranny to live in North Korea for a year. You insult the people suffering under actual tyranny when you act like being told to wear a piece of fabric on your face or get a needle to protect society is the same as what those people suffer.
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Using US numbers, there's 30 million cases and 500k deaths, giving a case fatality rate of 1/60. There's also been about 68 million vaccines which have resulted in 0 deaths, giving a case fatality rate of 0. My number was an under estimate.
They kill people. I consider that wrong. In this particular case the people they are killing each other. My position on that is somewhat conflicted.
It is completely and utterly false. I work in the field, and am aware of the actual numbers and how to do the actual math. Your numbers are wrong.
The evidence disagrees with you. COVID death rate is ~10 times higher than flu, regardless of how you measure it
As someone involved in the data analysis of a couple of COVID vaccine trials, I already did.
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I have a feeling it would be rather tough to enforce without opening up several cans of worms that I suspect many would realize maybe weren't such a great idea...
(to preface this next section, I'm both pro-vaccine - on the waiting list for the covid jab - even though antibody tests have confirmed I've already had it...as well an atheist, so religious exemptions to anything don't apply to me, personally)
1) The aspect of religious exemptions. The moment you set a legal precedent that a business can refuse to let someone work there without complying with a company-established protocol done in the name of the safety (even if doing so may violate their religious views or views pertaining to any other legally protected status), it'd be naive to think that's going to stop with Covid protocols.
If you're not going to be okay with a business owner saying "all employees must have their face and a portion of their hair exposed at all times while in the building so that our security staff can accurately identify all people that are in the building" (even though we all know such a measure would have a negative impact on certain religious observances), then one should think long and hard about this sort of thing for saying "yeah, businesses should be able to refuse to allow people to work there if they're not going to comply with the company-defined safety measures"
2) Obviously, there are going to be the aspects of medical exemptions...though this may come a shock to some people, it's (unfortunately) not particularly difficult to find a doctor who will give you a medical exemption to vaccination for a lot of situations. As I've shared with the group before, one side of my family is neck-deep in all kinds of medical pseudoscience and anti-vaxxerism. My aunt managed to get all 4 of her kids exempted from having to get the MMR vaccine to enter public elementary school. All it takes is knowing another 'like-minded' parent to tell you about a "integrative medicine" practice in the area ("integrative medicine" is basically the dog whistle for "Medical practice where the person running it is technically an MD, but still is sympathetic to alternative medicine and all the baggage that goes with it")
It's not unreasonable to assume people will do the same for this scenario that they do for their kids when they want to shop around for a doctor who will grant a medical exemption to the MMR vaccine.
(to preface this next section, I'm both pro-vaccine - on the waiting list for the covid jab - even though antibody tests have confirmed I've already had it...as well an atheist, so religious exemptions to anything don't apply to me, personally)
1) The aspect of religious exemptions. The moment you set a legal precedent that a business can refuse to let someone work there without complying with a company-established protocol done in the name of the safety (even if doing so may violate their religious views or views pertaining to any other legally protected status), it'd be naive to think that's going to stop with Covid protocols.
If you're not going to be okay with a business owner saying "all employees must have their face and a portion of their hair exposed at all times while in the building so that our security staff can accurately identify all people that are in the building" (even though we all know such a measure would have a negative impact on certain religious observances), then one should think long and hard about this sort of thing for saying "yeah, businesses should be able to refuse to allow people to work there if they're not going to comply with the company-defined safety measures"
2) Obviously, there are going to be the aspects of medical exemptions...though this may come a shock to some people, it's (unfortunately) not particularly difficult to find a doctor who will give you a medical exemption to vaccination for a lot of situations. As I've shared with the group before, one side of my family is neck-deep in all kinds of medical pseudoscience and anti-vaxxerism. My aunt managed to get all 4 of her kids exempted from having to get the MMR vaccine to enter public elementary school. All it takes is knowing another 'like-minded' parent to tell you about a "integrative medicine" practice in the area ("integrative medicine" is basically the dog whistle for "Medical practice where the person running it is technically an MD, but still is sympathetic to alternative medicine and all the baggage that goes with it")
It's not unreasonable to assume people will do the same for this scenario that they do for their kids when they want to shop around for a doctor who will grant a medical exemption to the MMR vaccine.
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Follow the science, eh? The same science that told us that radium water was "nature's way to health?"
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As I have said in other posts, I trust the best scientists in the world. However, I can understand those who wait for final approval from both the CDC and the FDA, but they are taking serious risks, especially if they are over 70 or have preconditions.
BTW, are you suggesting that the scientists at the CDC and FDA are being paid off? They have given their approvals for emergency use. BTW, they have NOT approved other vaccines that are being used elsewhere. Also, they haven't approved 12 weeks between the first and second dose as the UK has. The US has been very conservative.
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Yes. And from what I have read, the law would be on the employer's side as it's a workplace safety issue.
[As an aside, companies like Fidelity with large back office operations, will probably continue to support work-from-home options which would provide additional options for those uneasy with the vaccine.]
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49 percent of GOP men say they won't get vaccinated: PBS poll
About 30% of American adults say they will refuse the vaccine, which makes it near impossible to achieve herd immunity as a nation.
That means that 30% of Americans will be susceptible not only to the current variants but other mutations that come along (the more the disease can be spread, the more mutations will occur.) Some of these mutations may be more dangerous, even deadly, and more contagious. Some may be vaccine resistant, although the pharmaceutical companies are preparing for the possibility of boosters.
A more dangerous, contagious, vaccine-resistant mutation, spread by the 30% of the unvaccinated, could put us back to where we were last March.
How do we prevent the deadlier, more contagious variants? Simple! Vaccinate everyone so all the current variants die.
I've had both my vaccine doses. The shot was so painless I barely felt it, and the barely perceptible stiffness at the site of the vaccination was easily dealt with.
In many states, employees can be discharged from their jobs at will, for any reason--or no reason. Personally, I believe that workers don't have enough protections, but I also don't believe that the unvaccinated by choice should be a protected category in the same way that disabled or older workers are.
About 30% of American adults say they will refuse the vaccine, which makes it near impossible to achieve herd immunity as a nation.
That means that 30% of Americans will be susceptible not only to the current variants but other mutations that come along (the more the disease can be spread, the more mutations will occur.) Some of these mutations may be more dangerous, even deadly, and more contagious. Some may be vaccine resistant, although the pharmaceutical companies are preparing for the possibility of boosters.
A more dangerous, contagious, vaccine-resistant mutation, spread by the 30% of the unvaccinated, could put us back to where we were last March.
How do we prevent the deadlier, more contagious variants? Simple! Vaccinate everyone so all the current variants die.
I've had both my vaccine doses. The shot was so painless I barely felt it, and the barely perceptible stiffness at the site of the vaccination was easily dealt with.
In many states, employees can be discharged from their jobs at will, for any reason--or no reason. Personally, I believe that workers don't have enough protections, but I also don't believe that the unvaccinated by choice should be a protected category in the same way that disabled or older workers are.
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If their customers have been vaccinated; why wouldn't they be safe in absence of this establishment?
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Exemptions
Texas law allows (a) physicians to write medical exemption statements which clearly state a medical reason exists and the person cannot receive specific vaccines, and (b) parents/guardians to choose an exemption from immunization requirements for reasons of conscience, including a religious belief.
Texas Minimum Vaccine Requirements for Students Grades K-12
God Bless Texas!
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