If the apostles scattered, who's the source describing the crucifixion of Jesus?

Hanging by a Thread said:

I'm guessing this has probably been asked at some point in time and there may be a good answer. I just don't know what it is and Google didn't help. There's certainly differences in accounts between the Gospels (did Jesus carry the cross or did they assign that chore to some guy who happened to be wandering in from the desert?) and it's my understanding that the apostles kept their distance so as to not be subject to the same punishments inflicted on Jesus. So how can they accurately report the most significant event in the Christian faith?

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It seems that John went back to the cross, John 19:27, and Peter was at least in an outer courtyard.
Besides which, Jesus was there.

Hanging by a Thread said:

I'm guessing this has probably been asked at some point in time and there may be a good answer. I just don't know what it is and Google didn't help. There's certainly differences in accounts between the Gospels (did Jesus carry the cross or did they assign that chore to some guy who happened to be wandering in from the desert?) and it's my understanding that the apostles kept their distance so as to not be subject to the same punishments inflicted on Jesus. So how can they accurately report the most significant event in the Christian faith?

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There were many witnesses. The gospels are generally thought to have been the group testimony of many. Consider the first few verses of the Gospel of Luke:

1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

Luke 1 NIV

We get the clear impression that Luke is interviewing people, listening to their accounts, and what many say happened according to what they saw or heard from witnesses (including we'd expect accounts that are faithful reports of what many have said) -- testimonies of very many people repeatedly shared over decades of time, and spread widely.

So, for example, Mary's spirit-inspired song later in this chapter, it would seem either Mary or Elizabeth later conveyed.

We know that John was present at the Cross because Jesus asked him to look after his mother when He was gone.

"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus

• His mother, and
• His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and
• Mary Magdalene.

When Jesus therefore saw His mother,
and the disciple whom He loved standing by,
He said to His mother,
Then He said to the disciple,
And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home." John 19:25-27 NKJV

Hanging by a Thread said:

I'm guessing this has probably been asked at some point in time and there may be a good answer. I just don't know what it is and Google didn't help. There's certainly differences in accounts between the Gospels (did Jesus carry the cross or did they assign that chore to some guy who happened to be wandering in from the desert?) and it's my understanding that the apostles kept their distance so as to not be subject to the same punishments inflicted on Jesus. So how can they accurately report the most significant event in the Christian faith?

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They were there:

"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home."
-----------------------------------------------------John 19:25-29 nkjv

mnorian said:

They were there:...

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(Three of us added that. )

They could have spoken to any of the people there, Mary for instance, or Mary Magdalene. They would have had plenty of opportunity to talk to them. I mean they could even have asked Christ...

Sabertooth said:

(Three of us added that. )

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We must have been: CROSS posting!

"If three witnesses agree; you will except their testimony."
Quote from somewhere.

Hanging by a Thread said:

Hmmm.
Kinda ironic that you use the word "except" here. Is divine intervention trying to tell us that you three witnesses are invalid?

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No; it's just that I have brain fog--I just typed the proper word in a search; then when I typed it in the post; I made a fatal exception--tried to be quick!

Oh...wait a minute...or is it "a fatal acceptation"?

Here is a video from Grammar Monster to help me remember which is witch; he speaks with an English assent so must know what he's talking about; after all thee built the language:

Accept or Except?

Hanging by a Thread said:

Hmmm.
Kinda ironic that you use the word "except" here. Is divine intervention trying to tell us that you three witnesses are invalid?

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Since that could mean 3 or 4 different things (including a meaningless typo way), it is always good to remember one key thing we all need --

One key thing about how God chooses to give Grace (and aid) we can see in these:

6 For though the LORD is high, he regards the lowly,
but the haughty he knows from afar.

34 Toward the scorners he is scornful,
but to the humble he gives favor.

23 One’s pride will bring him low,
but he who is lowly in spirit will obtain honor.

12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

52 he has brought down the mighty from their thrones
and exalted those of humble estate;

6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

Psalm 138:6; Proverbs 3:34; Proverbs 29:23; Matthew 23:12; Luke 1:52; James 4:6; 1 Peter 5:5

We can notice this message is throughout the Bible. These are only some very direct verses. But for instance, when Christ said in Matthew chapter 18 that we must change and become humble like little children, it's the same message.

And notice the outcome of that! --

Matthew 18:3 "Truly I tell you," He said, "unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
(or better, verses 1-5)

Hanging by a Thread said:

I'm guessing this has probably been asked at some point in time and there may be a good answer. I just don't know what it is and Google didn't help. There's certainly differences in accounts between the Gospels (did Jesus carry the cross or did they assign that chore to some guy who happened to be wandering in from the desert?) and it's my understanding that the apostles kept their distance so as to not be subject to the same punishments inflicted on Jesus. So how can they accurately report the most significant event in the Christian faith?

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Mary His mother was there, along with some other women who were her friends. John was there. A man known as Longinus, a Roman soldier who came to faith, was also there. Most of the apostles ran but there were other witnesses.

Hanging by a Thread said:

What are you talking about? You realize that I understand that it's a meaningless typo, right? I just found it ironic that the homonym he happened to "typo" implies the exact opposite of the intended meaning and made a bit of a joke of it. mnorian understood this as he gave my post a "funny" rating. I may be wrong about this but it appears you're trying to admonish me. If that's the case then I suggest you review your own post.

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At times I've had a non-trivial typo like occurrence that radically improved my post. I'm not kidding.