The Bible Doesn't Contain Everything

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Really? Are you sure? I can try to be gentle. You reflect some modern ways of looking at matters that do not reflect how He sees it. You sure you want correction?
Be as harsh as you can be. I won't report you.

OPEN SEASON ON SKY. I won't report anybody for the Month of March.
And I'll respond with gratitude all this month so others can't report you either.
 
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Really? Are you sure? I can try to be gentle. You reflect some modern ways of looking at matters that do not reflect how He sees it. You sure you want correction?
Just be warned. Everything I believe is from scripture alone. I don't listen to sermons anymore. You won't find me doing things I can't support with massive scripture so you can expect that will be my response. I don't like sermons.
 
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Let my start by responding to this and see how it goes.
It might work for my own benefit, but that's much harder.
The secret to getting God to answer is to get "you" out of the request.
Work and work and work, to subtract "you" from the result you are seeking.
Seek to allow God to give you the perfect result He has already planned for you from the beginning of time till now.
He is aching for you to Let Go And Let God do His thing.
When you finally let go of your attachment to the answer....then he washes you over with
a warm glow of satisfaction. You finally relax and stop Whining and finally let go.
And the warm glow lets you relax and give up. In that instant, sometimes BAM! the gift is handed to you. Or perhaps in the next minute or two. And you just nod your head and say
"Thanks. I just knew you had this. "
This is fairly reflective of modern thinking, as I mentioned. Not so much that this is what modern men do, but it reflects a negative view on our selves. It also reflects a popular Christian view that probably has its origins in Greek philosophy. That is, God is outside of time and has determined everything from the beginning of time and we just need to step out of the picture.

You have a few problems with this as in your view, we are holding up God from doing so because we are not letting go. This means God is limited because we are too powerful to let HIm do as he planned. It is probably not intended but can you give me an alternative answer to this problem of us hinding GOd by not letting go. Now I do think we hinder God but that is because we actively sin, not because we stand in the way.

THis has led you to attribute motives to HIm that no one who walked with Him said were in his heart. He is not aching for us to let go and let God do His thing. He said plainly he is aching (if that is the right word) for us to do justly to others, to love mercy when they fail to do justly to us, and to walk HUMBLY with Him. That is what he is aching for us to do.

Now the satisfaction is probably the result of ceasing striving to get your own will done. Surrender to the right person or cause and satisfaction and freedom will be experienced.

Now the whole premise here seems to be getting what you want and to do so, you try to get you out of the matter which is strange because you is always there. Even when you get what you wanted out of Him, YOU take it and YOU keep it. You want the perfect result for you, most certainly. That is determined by the thing wanted, not by the mental gymnastics one goes through to try to empty the self.
Like this one time I was getting a ride to the bus station. Already 15 minutes late. I had wailed and yelled and even cried for Gods help.
Long-story-short I had gotten the "peace" stage. The driver says "I missed the exit!".
Peace. I told the driver "It was fine."
Long-story-short- I arrived in Canada after nearly being strip-searched. My connections were just as late as the bus had been late arriving. Peace.
This is, of course, a good story and I do not doubt He had a hand in it. But if you think that you are not in the equastion from beginning to end, you are fooling yourself. For it not to be you, you needed to be praying for SOMEONE ELSE who needed the bus to be on time for them to get their connections where you derive no benefit from the answer. That is how you are no longer in the equation.

We will not find anyone in the BIble who had this view. IN fact, God wants relationship with YOU. Yes the YOU that you are trying to get out of the equation. WHen I pray I ask GOd to do things for me and for others. THose others need answers that do not benefit me at all. That is how the YOU is out of the equation.

THe other thing is you are still trying to "getting God to answer" which is not relationship but seeing him as the one giving you what you want. We are supposed to surrender to HIm walking in obedience to Him, not trying to get Him to answer our requests as an end goal.

THat is my input. THink about it.
 
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Be as harsh as you can be. I won't report you.

OPEN SEASON ON SKY. I won't report anybody for the Month of March.
And I'll respond with gratitude all this month so others can't report you either.
Were you reporting people before? I am not harsh. But I am truthful and truth sometimes cuts. The question is if the recepient lets it cut out the bad bits or shoots the messenger.
 
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Just be warned. Everything I believe is from scripture alone. I don't listen to sermons anymore. You won't find me doing things I can't support with massive scripture so you can expect that will be my response. I don't like sermons.
I can well understand why you don't list to sermons anymore. But there are a few real men of GOd out there. Now, please show me the scripture that says you need to get YOU out of prayer. Please show me where we are to try to get God to do something. Please show me where scripture says GOd has planned everything he wants to do and give to everyone before the foundation of the world and we just need to get out of the way. My Bible says He requires us to be in the Way, not out of it being passive. Try Hebrews 11 that tells of his following DOING a great deal and none of them getting out of the way to do nothing and let God do it all.

By the way, the scripture you quote MUST address the issue you claim it supports. The scriptures you quote didn’t address what you claimed. No connection. “Taste” as a metaphor doesn’t mean “hey, all there is is experiencing it as sensations for your fleshly tongue.”
 
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Oh, it rarely works for my own benefit. Only second handedly.
I can tell you didn't read the process through yet. Maybe a couple more readings.
It's simple, but very hard work.
Do you know God through interactive prayer? - Steps 1, 2, & 3
I already mentioned I talk with God and He with me and with the years I have an overwhelming confidence in the descriptions in the Bible as accurately describing this, what I need to do and what God promises if I do. I critiqued your post which is shorter and easier. Let us see how this goes. His yoke is easy, by the way, and his burden is light. But it does entail surrender.
 
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There is no bad reason to pray and no wrong way to pray.
I can only speak to what works to get an answer. And it's hard work.
I don't think we are to work to get an answer. We are to work to obey Him and to work to please the Master. We are not to work to get the Master to please us.

Jesus told of the man who prayed a wrong way. Actually more than once that I recall. If you want to insist that everything you think is in scripture, a high claim, you need to be willing to be corrected when shown what you think is actually the opposite of what is there. There is a wrong way to pray. God ignores those prayers.

"You have not because you ask not. You ask and do not receive because you ask wrongly."
 
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Ministers are good at reading and preaching, but very poor at doing.
I don't think they even try.
They are not taught that what we believe is real in any sense worth talking about for the most part. They are not taught that God answers and is really there are what is required to walk with Him such that you, to use your word, experience that He is there. They are taught theology, a field where men who know Latin and Greek and Hebrew but do not know God teach others things they know fairly nothing about.
 
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Let my start by responding to this and see how it goes.
This is fairly reflective of modern thinking, as I mentioned. Not so much that this is what modern men do, but it reflects a negative view on our selves. It also reflects a popular Christian view that probably has its origins in Greek philosophy. That is, God is outside of time and has determined everything from the beginning of time and we just need to step out of the picture.

You have a few problems with this as in your view, we are holding up God from doing so because we are not letting go. This means God is limited because we are too powerful to let HIm do as he planned. It is probably not intended but can you give me an alternative answer to this problem of us hinding GOd by not letting go. Now I do think we hinder God but that is because we actively sin, not because we stand in the way.

God has solved this by giving us exactly what we want the instant we ask.
All we have to do is let God give us the request as well. And He does this.
 
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THis has led you to attribute motives to HIm that no one who walked with Him said were in his heart. He is not aching for us to let go and let God do His thing. He said plainly he is aching (if that is the right word) for us to do justly to others, to love mercy when they fail to do justly to us, and to walk HUMBLY with Him. That is what he is aching for us to do.

Let Go and Let God

Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

1 Peter 5:7
Casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you.

Philippians 4:6
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

Philippians 4:6-7
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
 
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Now the whole premise here seems to be getting what you want and to do so, you try to get you out of the matter which is strange because you is always there. Even when you get what you wanted out of Him, YOU take it and YOU keep it. You want the perfect result for you, most certainly. That is determined by the thing wanted, not by the mental gymnastics one goes through to try to empty the self.

Let go of your issues and let God do what He has planned.

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

Matthew 6:33
But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Matthew 11:28-30
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

1 Peter 5:6-7
Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you, casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you.
 
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So many Christians close themselves off to God by refusing to look beyond the pages of scripture. God is infinite. His Truth is infinite. The universe is ever-expanding. Based on these facts alone, the Bible cannot contain everything. There is so much more about God that we simply do not know. Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of Himself to us. We hurt ourselves and the Church by refusing to look for God in everyday life.

Thoughts?!
In your humble opinion. IMHO, everything is in there. “Let me be
Homo unius libri” (even though I’m a woman :) )
 
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This is, of course, a good story and I do not doubt He had a hand in it. But if you think that you are not in the equastion from beginning to end, you are fooling yourself. For it not to be you, you needed to be praying for SOMEONE ELSE who needed the bus to be on time for them to get their connections where you derive no benefit from the answer. That is how you are no longer in the equation.

We will not find anyone in the BIble who had this view. IN fact, God wants relationship with YOU. Yes the YOU that you are trying to get out of the equation. WHen I pray I ask GOd to do things for me and for others. THose others need answers that do not benefit me at all. That is how the YOU is out of the equation.

Yes, that one was the hardest fought to get me out of the solution. And nothing happened until I let go of my demands. Only then were they filled.
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1. Our Father in Heaven, Hallowed be your name.
2. Bring your Kingdom down right here to earth, into this problem and solve it as you have planned.
3. Give us this day the feeding of my soul that you have promised and forgive my intentions and methods and my insisting on having my way. I forgive the numbskulls that got me into this mess.
4. Keep me from selfishness and ego and asking this in my name and let your will be done!
Amen

So thats 4 steps to answered prayer.
We will not find anyone in the BIble who had this view.

It's Jesus that spelled it out for us. A reasonable resource.
 
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I don't think we are to work to get an answer. We are to work to obey Him and to work to please the Master. We are not to work to get the Master to please us.

Jesus told of the man who prayed a wrong way. Actually more than once that I recall. If you want to insist that everything you think is in scripture, a high claim, you need to be willing to be corrected when shown what you think is actually the opposite of what is there. There is a wrong way to pray. God ignores those prayers.

"You have not because you ask not. You ask and do not receive because you ask wrongly."

Jesus can make those kinds of judgments. I hold strong that no other person is qualified.
The lesson is not "Judge sin like I do."

Matthew 7:1-2
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
 
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Jesus can make those kinds of judgments. I hold strong that no other person is qualified.
The lesson is not "Judge sin like I do."

Matthew 7:1-2
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.
Jesus told us to judge rightly.
 
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Jesus told us to judge rightly.
Which means as God with full knowledge. Not as a human would.

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
 
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