Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

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Do you believe that one the scripture says,

"And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them..."

that the instructions that follow were written by Moses?

I agree that Moses wrote them down, but it looks to me like they came from the mind of God, and are based on his character.

Using today's English, I think we would say that God wrote them in the sense that he is the author, and Moses wrote them down.
I thought Moses wrote what God instructed him to do...
 
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Hello imge, how about the two greatest commandments Jesus was referred to in Matthew 22...which is Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul AND Love your neighbor as yourself...these two were written in the book of the law outside the Ark Not inside..
No, thats not true. Those are God’s commandments, the Ten summarized. The first tablet is how we love God, the second how we love each other.
 
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Do you believe that one the scripture says,

"And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them..."

that the instructions that follow were written by Moses?

I agree that Moses wrote them down, but it looks to me like they came from the mind of God, and are based on his character.

Using today's English, I think we would say that God wrote them in the sense that he is the author, and Moses wrote them down.
I already said the law of Moses was given by God written by Moses. God’s laws was written and spoken by Him. They were also written on stone.
 
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No, thats not true. Those are God’s commandments, the Ten summarized. The first tablet is how we love God, the second how we love each other.
They wrote on the book of the law...Leviticus 19:18, Deuteronomy 6:3
 
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Sorry, you stopped making sense. You say in one breath God does everything for a reason, but than when He choose to write the only scripture in the entire Bible written by His own finger, God had no reason other than the other laws that were ceremonial and ended, wouldn’t fit in the Ark with the law that He wrote. We are not going to agree on this point.

I think your set in what you want to believe and are letting it make you think I mean things I don’t.

It seems you want to make the writing on the tablet more of a law than His others. There are numerous other laws, written in the book, that had nothing to do with ceremonies.

Those laws were no more, and no less, His writing - His commandments.

Re-read Exodus and Deuteronomy - God never considers the tablets as different than the rest. Neither did Jesus, neither did the Apostles.
 
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The Sabbath is a commandment and says to keep the Sabbath day holy. Exodus 20:8 It’s literal and spiritual. Just like thou shalt not lie, that is literal, thous shalt not murder, adultry, literal, but also starts in our hearts. Sabbath is a day of communion with God. You do not receive spiritual rest by breaking the Sabbath commandment.
The Sabbath rest spoken of in Hebrews sounds like spiritual rest to me.

I agree that the fourth commandment is both literal and spiritual.

It says literally not to do any work, then it also talks about not doing our work.

This is why I brought up the idea of what is our work and what is God's work.

My impression is that Jesus taught that God's work is always allowable. Thus, the priests work on the Sabbath and are held guiltless.

As Christians, we are owned by God. The work that we do, such as mowing our lawn, we do as we are led by the spirit. And since we are owned by God, it is God's work that we do as we mow our lawn. Which, of course, is actually God's lawn!
 
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Do you believe that one the scripture says,

"And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them..."

that the instructions that follow were written by Moses?

I agree that Moses wrote them down, but it looks to me like they came from the mind of God, and are based on his character.

Using today's English, I think we would say that God wrote them in the sense that he is the author, and Moses wrote them down.

The reason for the tablets was so it could be established that God was the author - of all of it.
 
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I think your set in what you want to believe and are letting it make you think I mean things I don’t.

It seems you want to make the writing on the tablet more of a law than His others. There are numerous other laws, written in the book, that had nothing to do with ceremonies.

Those laws were no more, and no less, His writing - His commandments.

Re-read Exodus and Deuteronomy - God never considers the tablets as different than the rest. Neither did Jesus, neither did the Apostles.
I think the opposite could be said. The Bible and God made very clear how important His laws are, the Ten. God even says in the Ten who He shows mercy to:

Exodus 20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

I think you should probably do the re-reading. God placed His law in the Ark. There was nothing other than His laws in there, which there is a reason. It actually saddens me how far we have come to not value His moral laws. Jesus summarized them as the greatest because thats what they are.
 
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God tells us to do all our work in six days. The seventh day we are told to keep Holy. Exodus 20:8-11. I think God wants us to be productive and doing things for our own pleasure as long as they are not sinful should be completed from days 1-6. God’s day is Holy and we are told to hallow His Sabbath day. Ezekiel 20:20
I guess that's where we see it differently, I don't think there is any "my" pleasure.

All is for God as Christ lives through me.

I think that's one thing that the commandment about the Sabbath teaches us.

What is it like to live one day for God? It's amazing, isn't it?

Now two days, then for days, then every day!
 
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Hi imge, Pasificka is correct, there is not one word in the 10 commandments about love. The love commandments are found in Deut and Lev. Every one of the 10 commandments the Israelites could keep out of duty. Jesus' command to us is found in Jn15: “9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command."

God has not asked US to keep the 10 commandments, He asked Israel to keep them. 1Jn3 tells us: 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

The commandments of God (Jesus) are to believe and love others as He loves us. Paul wrote in 2Cor3 that the 10 commandments have been done away 2Cor 3:6-11. When at the ✝ Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own blood the old covenant with its 10 commandments faded away.

I hope this helps.
 
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Because those laws are abolished?---(Eph 2:15)
Abolishing the laws or living out the spirit of the laws instead of the letter results in the same thing in practice, imo. So a different way of saying the same thing, I think.
 
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I guess that's where we see it differently, I don't think there is any "my" pleasure.

All is for God as Christ lives through me.

I think that's one thing that the commandment about the Sabbath teaches us.

What is it like to live one day for God? It's amazing, isn't it?

Now two days, then for days, then every day!
But God said to keep Holy the seventh day. Yes, we should worship Him daily, much different that the instructions in the 4th commandment.
 
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God wants us to also keep the letter. His laws are literal and spiritual and when you put your own interpretation on something that God gave a direct command I would be careful of that. We could use that excuse for any of God’s commandments I am going to cheat on my wife, but in my mind I am faithful. Which commandment do you find the most difficult to keep?
If you try to keep the letter, you will die, imo. The spirit brings life, the letter brings death.

I think that's why it is those who are led by the spirit who are not under the law. If it were my own interpretation of a commandment, you're right! that would be very dangerous!

Do you believe the Spirit has the power to lead you as you walk through life?
 
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Clare73 said:
The Old (Mosaic) Covenant was bilateral, conditioned on man's obedience, and could be abrogated by man's breaking it, which it was.

The New Covenant is unilateral, entered into by faith in the person and finished work of Jesus Christ for remission of one's sin, is not subject to abrogation, nor to one falling out of it.
Saith you. God says different.
Saith you. God says different.

"Saith" the Word of God in Exodus 24:3-8, bilateral--made by both God and the people.
"Saith" the Word of God in Jeremiah 11:10; Hebrews 8:8, broken by the people

Where does Scripture saith what must be performed on the part of the people in the New Covenant?
 
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If you try to keep the letter, you will die, imo. The spirit brings life, the letter brings death.

I think that's why it is those who are led by the spirit who are not under the law. If it were my own interpretation of a commandment, you're right! that would be very dangerous!

Do you believe the Spirit has the power to lead you as you walk through life?
So it’s okay to lie, steal, worship idols, vain His name etc. ?

I think what most people confuse is grace. It’s God’s gift! We are saved by grace through our faith. We keep the law because we are saved and have a new heart. God says He shows mercy to those that keep His commandments. He says this in His commandments. Exodus 20:6
 
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Clare73 said:
The Old (Mosaic) Covenant was bilateral, conditioned on man's obedience, and could be abrogated by man's breaking it, which it was.

The New Covenant is unilateral, entered into by faith in the person and finished work of Jesus Christ for remission of one's sin, is not subject to abrogation, nor to one falling out of it.
Saith you. God says different.
Saith you. God says different.

"Saith" the Word of God in Exodus 24:3-8, bilateral--made by both God and the people.
"Saith" the Word of God in Jeremiah 11:10; Hebrews 8:8, broken by the people

Where does Scripture saith what must be performed on the part of the people in the New Covenant?
 
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I think the opposite could be said. The Bible and God made very clear how important His laws are, the Ten. God even says in the Ten who He shows mercy to:

Exodus 20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

I think you should probably do the re-reading. God placed His law in the Ark. There was nothing other than His laws in there, which there is a reason for it. It actually saddens me how far we have come to not value His moral laws. Jesus summarized them as the greatest because thats what they are.

There was more inside than the tablets.

Jesus did not summarize. Jesus stated the two greatest commandments.

Where does it say that they were just summarizations and not actual commandments?
 
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Sorry, you stopped making sense. You say in one breath God does everything for a reason, but than when He choose to write the only scripture in the entire Bible written by His own finger, God had no reason other than the other laws that were ceremonial and ended, wouldn’t fit in the Ark with the law that He wrote. We are not going to agree on this point.
Here's just some ideas,

Perhaps God wrote on the stone tablets himself because it takes humans a long time to inscribe something deeply on stone, and Moses' time on the mountain was limited. Also it takes special tools.

Had God written all the instructions on stone tablets, the print would have been too small to read, or they would have been too heavy for Moses to carry.

Why did God want at least some of it on stone? So it could be contrasted later with that which is written on hearts of flesh.

The phrase
Finger of God
may be a Hebrew idiom for "miraculously". That's how Pharaoh's magicians describes some of the miracles.
 
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