God’s Wrath Poured Out on Jesus on the Cross

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Today’s sermon mentioned God pouring out His wrath on Jesus on the cross. The question I have is where does it say in the Bible that God poured out His wrath on Jesus on the cross?

That Jesus died for sins is not in question. I’m not asking for a theological dissertation on the subject. I’m asking where the scripture says He was wrathful and poured it out on Jesus that day.

Also, if God poured out His wrath on sin that day, why does the Bible say He pours out His wrath on sin (or sinful man) in Revelation?

Thanks for answers. I did a simple search myself and couldn’t find it but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
 

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Today’s sermon mentioned God pouring out His wrath on Jesus on the cross. The question I have is where does it say in the Bible that God poured out His wrath on Jesus on the cross?

That Jesus died for sins is not in question. I’m not asking for a theological dissertation on the subject. I’m asking where the scripture says He was wrathful and poured it out on Jesus that day.

Also, if God poured out His wrath on sin that day, why does the Bible say He pours out His wrath on sin (or sinful man) in Revelation?

Thanks for answers. I did a simple search myself and couldn’t find it but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
My answer would be that the punishment that Jesus received was not caused by God, it was caused by our sins. Here are two articles if you like. Six Hours of Eternity - Study Resources The Wrath Of God In The New Testament: Never Against His New Covenant Community | Bible.org
 
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During Jesus day and time (life), it was YHWH's wrath being put upon Him (Jesus) instead of all mankind, and His wrath was done and finished after that, etc... but in these end times now today, it will be Jesus, the lamb's wrath, being directed at, or poured out on/upon all those who failed to accept Him (Jesus) taking away YHWH's original wrath from them, etc... and it will also be greatly directed at/poured out heavily upon all the those who also did not, etc, and/or but greatly persecuted and put to death, (tortured to death/mutilated), etc, those who did, etc...

Then we will have a new age or era until the end of this time for a while, etc, until the very, very end of all of it, or it all, etc...

Then there will be a whole new creation and a whole new beginning (all over again), etc...

God Bless!
 
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During Jesus day and time (life), it was YHWH's wrath being put upon Him (Jesus) instead of all mankind, and His wrath was done and finished after that, etc... but in these end times now today, it will be Jesus, the lamb's wrath, being directed at, or poured out on/upon all those who failed to accept Him (Jesus) taking away YHWH's original wrath from them, etc... and it will also be greatly directed at/poured out heavily upon all the those who also did not, etc, and/or but greatly persecuted and put to death, (tortured to death/mutilated), etc, those who did, etc...

Then we will have a new age or era until the end of this time for a while, etc, until the very, very end of all of it, or it all, etc...

Then there will be a whole new creation and a whole new beginning (all over again), etc...

God Bless!
Thanks Neo! I was hoping for scripture though. The theology I already understand.
 
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Thanks Neo! I was hoping for scripture though. The theology I already understand.
I just use google most of the time, if you know what to ask google, or how to phrase your questions just right, I find it's the easiest way, nowadays, to find them, etc, or a good online Bible program also, etc...

Things like, "Scripture about the wrath of God", or "Scripture about the wrath of God being poured out or taken out on Jesus", or "Scripture about the lambs wrath, or the wrath of Jesus", etc...

Maybe to that last one maybe add "at the second coming" maybe, etc...

Or other searches or things like that, etc...

God Bless!
 
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I just use google most of the time, if you know what to ask google, or how to phrase your questions just right, I find it's the easiest way, nowadays, to find them, etc, or a good online Bible program also, etc...

Things like, "Scripture about the wrath of God", or "Scripture about the wrath of God being poured out or taken out on Jesus", or "Scripture about the lambs wrath, or the wrath of Jesus", etc...

Maybe to that last one maybe add "at the second coming" maybe, etc...

Or other searches or things like that, etc...

God Bless!
Thanks! I’m afraid I tried it and got no scriptures saying God poured out his wrath on Jesus at the cross.
 
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Thanks! I’m afraid I tried it and got no scriptures saying God poured out his wrath on Jesus at the cross.
Try Isaiah 53:10, and then I just also did a separate search just now "God's wrath on Jesus" and while not many verses besides Isaiah 53:10 specifically say it in the same verse, if you connect a few verses, it talks about God's wrath being poured out on sin, and that sin at the cross, and Jesus being made that sin for us, etc, (at the cross, etc)...

Anyway, good hunting...

God Bless!
 
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This came to mind (though not sure it’s an answer)

4Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53
 
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Try Isaiah 53:10, and then I just also did a separate search just now "God's wrath on Jesus" and while not many verses besides Isaiah 53:10 specifically say it in the same verse, if you connect a few verses, it talks about God's wrath being poured out on sin, and that sin at the cross, and Jesus being made that sin for us, etc, (at the cross, etc)...

Anyway, good hunting...

God Bless!
I Read the verse. Not a word about Gods wrath.
 
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Today’s sermon mentioned God pouring out His wrath on Jesus on the cross. The question I have is where does it say in the Bible that God poured out His wrath on Jesus on the cross?

That Jesus died for sins is not in question. I’m not asking for a theological dissertation on the subject. I’m asking where the scripture says He was wrathful and poured it out on Jesus that day.

Also, if God poured out His wrath on sin that day, why does the Bible say He pours out His wrath on sin (or sinful man) in Revelation?

Thanks for answers. I did a simple search myself and couldn’t find it but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

I don’t think you’ll find it.

This was brought to my attention not too long ago. It’s one of those things that we think because it’s said so much.

If you look at Gods wrath, as described, Jesus did not endure that - or else He would not have been raised up.

Gods wrath is permanent.
 
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Or try this rendition of Isaiah 53:10...?

"Yet it pleased Jehovah (YHWH) to bruise (kill) him (Jesus); he (Jesus) hath put him (YHWH) to grief (or provoked or angered Him (YHWH)) (or possibly sorrowed Him (YHWH) also maybe, etc): when thou (YHWH) shalt make his (Jesus) soul (life) an offering (blood sacrifice) for sin, (then) he (YHWH) shall see his (YHWH's) seed (Son) (and then see and recognize him (Jesus) as such, etc), (then) (afterwards) (after He (YHWH) finally sees that, etc) (then) he (YHWH) shall prolong his (Jesus) days (and resurrect him) (Jesus), and (after that) the pleasure (will) of Jehovah (YHWH) shall prosper in his (Jesus) hand (all the remainder of his (Jesus) days), (after YHWH has finally seen and/or done and recognized all of that, etc) (and brought him (Jesus) back to life), (and given him rulership and lordship here from the spiritual realm), (then the (now) good pleasure (and good will now) of Jehovah (YHWH) shall now prosper or be done (now) in and by his (Jesus) hand (all the remainder of His (Jesus) days (or new life now) as a Spirit from that place now, etc, all the remainder of his (Jesus) days now), (until the end of this age), etc...

YHWH/Jehovah is the Holy Spirit...

Always was, still is, the Holy Spirit, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Today’s sermon mentioned God pouring out His wrath on Jesus on the cross. The question I have is where does it say in the Bible that God poured out His wrath on Jesus on the cross?

That Jesus died for sins is not in question. I’m not asking for a theological dissertation on the subject. I’m asking where the scripture says He was wrathful and poured it out on Jesus that day.

Also, if God poured out His wrath on sin that day, why does the Bible say He pours out His wrath on sin (or sinful man) in Revelation?

Thanks for answers. I did a simple search myself and couldn’t find it but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
I'm presuming your pastor cited chapter and verse to substantiate his teaching that God poured out His wrath on Jesus. I wouldn't know where to find that but your pastor should have told you exactly where it came from. If he didn't make that part up that is.

The death of Jesus was a sweet smelling oblation, a demonstration of obedience, a sacrifice willingly given in love for all of humanity, a sin offering, a gift and not a hated thing. The Father never stopped loving Jesus and did not pour out any wrath upon Him. What you have encountered today is a theological opinion that is simply wrong. It is good for you to question it. Jesus is and always was the eternal Son of the Father, beloved from all eternity, especially including at Calvary.

Penal substitution is a Calvinist thing. But it is not the only possible view of how we gained the redemption, nor IMHO is it accurate. The difficulties are 1.) not much Scripture to support God punishing Jesus with none directly saying God poured out wrath upon Jesus, and 2.) punishing an innocent person is immoral.
 
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Penal substitution is a Calvinist thing. But it is not the only possible view of how we gained the redemption, nor IMHO is it accurate. The difficulties are 1.) not much Scripture to support God punishing Jesus with none directly saying God poured out wrath upon Jesus, and 2.) punishing an innocent person is immoral.
Your going to judge God, or the gods, etc...?
 
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I'm presuming your pastor cited chapter and verse to substantiate his teaching that God poured out His wrath on Jesus. I wouldn't know where to find that but your pastor should have told you exactly where it came from. If he didn't make that part up that is.
He didn’t. I begin to think he couldn’t cause there isn’t one.
The death of Jesus was a sweet smelling oblation, a demonstration of obedience, a sacrifice willingly given in love for all of humanity, a sin offering, a gift and not a hated thing. The Father never stopped loving Jesus and did not pour out any wrath upon Him. What you have encountered today is a theological opinion that is simply wrong. It is good for you to question it. Jesus is and always was the eternal Son of the Father, beloved from all eternity, especially including at Calvary.

Penal substitution is a Calvinist thing. But it is not the only possible view of how we gained the redemption, nor IMHO is it accurate. The difficulties are 1.) not much Scripture to support God punishing Jesus with none directly saying God poured out wrath upon Jesus, and 2.) punishing an innocent person is immoral.
What is clear is that there’s no evidence God was angry.
 
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Or try this rendition of Isaiah 53:10...?

"Yet it pleased Jehovah (YHWH) to bruise (kill) him (Jesus); he (Jesus) hath put him (YHWH) to grief (or provoked or angered Him (YHWH)) (or possibly sorrowed Him (YHWH) also maybe, etc): when thou (YHWH) shalt make his (Jesus) soul (life) an offering (blood sacrifice) for sin, (then) he (YHWH) shall see his (YHWH's) seed (Son) (and then see and recognize him (Jesus) as such, etc), (then) (afterwards) (after He (YHWH) finally sees that, etc) (then) he (YHWH) shall prolong his (Jesus) days (and resurrect him) (Jesus), and (after that) the pleasure (will) of Jehovah (YHWH) shall prosper in his (Jesus) hand (all the remainder of his (Jesus) days), (after YHWH has finally seen and/or done and recognized all of that, etc) (and brought him (Jesus) back to life), (and given him rulership and lordship here from the spiritual realm), (then the (now) good pleasure (and good will now) of Jehovah (YHWH) shall now prosper or be done (now) in and by his (Jesus) hand (all the remainder of His (Jesus) days (or new life now) as a Spirit from that place now, etc, all the remainder of his (Jesus) days now), (until the end of this age), etc...

YHWH/Jehovah is the Holy Spirit...

Always was, still is, the Holy Spirit, etc...

God Bless!
I’m afraid that’s too much personal editing for me. Also, I’m not a Hebrew so the consonants Y H W don’t carry any meaning for me and actually didn’t for any NT writer either. If they did for Jesus, he didn’t mention it. I think it’s more significant for those who want a kind of religious edge over simply using the terms Jesus used.
 
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I think he was disagreeing with the theology, not God Himself.
He said "punishing an innocent person is immoral", etc...

And that is man's judgement against God, or a God, or a/the way that was considered right and moral or righteous to the gods, etc...

God Bless!
 
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What is clear is that there’s no evidence God was angry.

The only reason YHWH might have been angry with Jesus personally, and not just for and/or because of us, and our sin, etc, would only be if he (Jesus) was saying/preaching/teaching that there was a higher God than Him (YHWH), etc...

But even if He (YHWH) ever even was, etc, or even if he (Jesus) even ever really did, etc, He (YHWH) knew that he (Jesus) was not he himself ever guilty of any kind of sin himself at all whatsoever, etc, and not even for "that sin" even, etc, in any kind of way or shape or form at all ever, etc...

And I think that after He (YHWH) saw this, and saw "His Son" in Jesus finally, etc, that it was then, that He (YHWH) decided to put away His anger (against all, etc) and forgive him (Jesus), and forgive us, etc, and then resurrect him (Jesus), etc, and give Jesus "everything", etc, even taking a "even position with him" even (Jesus), etc...

God Bless!
 
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