The Bible Doesn't Contain Everything

sawdust said:

As far as being brilliant and a math genius did you not read Job? Or even that He could form living creatures from dirt? Did you know He engineered Eve's body from Adam's rib? He molded Adam's body but engineered Eve's. The Hebrew uses different words to describe the process. No idea what you are trying to say with the miracles (no.3) unless you think it is being prophetic. Pretty sure the scriptures cover God's prophetic nature exhaustively.

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We can learn all of that from nature with no written words at all.
You could be born on the moon and still know God.

Romans 1:19-20

No book could contain everything there is to know. and we are incapable of knowing everything there is to know in our current state.
I suspect we only see the tip of the iceberg.. but we don't need to know everything in order to love God.

SkyWriting said:

SkyWriting said: ↑
-His size is infinite.
-His complexity is infinite.
-There is endless to learn and know.
-The Earth is the only source of Life ever created.
-Man is the only thing in the image of God.
-Cause and effect. Science demands a first cause.
Yet science has no first cause to offer.
-The lack of scientific "law" explaining why life exists tells us God must exist
tp solve the dilemma of why life exists.
-So: "God Creates" because science insists that we do exist.
There is nothing scientific that creates. Thus telling us what God is....The Creator.

You can learn all this from the Cosmos without any Bible to read.



Psalm 19:1
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Romans 1:19-20
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

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I've already stated you can learn 2 things from the universe; that God is eternal and that He is not the creation but something other than. The universe is not infinite, it has a beginning and an end, it's just bigger than what we can see. None of what you list is personal. It's like me finding out you're an extroverted engineer. Tells me stuff all about who you really are. Ironically you quote the scripture to show what the universe declares.

The point is the OP declared that there is more to know about God than what is in the Bible. All you are doing now is showing the scriptures state the same thing as the universe.

Have you even given thought to the practical ramifications of such a statement? What of all those who do not have a mind for science? Are they to be left out in the cold never truly knowing the Lord? Should we even bother to mention God is Spirit and that the things pertaining to Him and His kingdom are spiritually discerned? You can do science till your blue in the face but if you are not born again and filled with the Spirit you will never know God and you won't learn that from the creation.

So far, you have said nothing about God that is not already said in the scriptures and until such time as you can say something that is not in there, I see no point in continuing.

sawdust said:

I've already stated you can learn 2 things from the universe

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I covered 12 that don't require a Bible to learn.
You can get them without being literate.
This covers your challenge to
But here is one far better. You can learn all you would ever want to know
and not be able to read. Learn million of things.

Know God through answered prayer
Steps 1, 2, & 3

SkyWriting said:

We can learn all of that from nature with no written words at all.
You could be born on the moon and still know God.

Romans 1:19-20

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And again you keep missing the point .. it is not about whether you can know God exists and that He is eternal and something completely other than the creation we see but can the creation tell you things about God that are not declared in the scriptures?

Until such time as you can tell me something about God that is not revealed in scripture, I stand by what I say.

sawdust said:

And again you keep missing the point .. it is not about whether you can know God exists and that He is eternal and something completely other than the creation we see but can the creation tell you things about God that are not declared in the scriptures?

Until such time as you can tell me something about God that is not revealed in scripture, I stand by what I say.

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That's covered 100% here: Do you know God through answered prayer ?
Steps 1, 2, & 3

Thomas White said:

If God is not the Source, then what is the source?

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There is a difference:

1) God - breathing out creation. That creation showing a reflection of him, being held together by him, but being separate from his being.
The creation itself is not God. A glorious view reflects God's handiwork and can make us marvel at the design and nature of God, but the grass and rocks and other physical pieces do not literally have God running through them.

2) To God-breathing out creation. With the creation actually containing God.
This is what led people to worship the sun or believe the rocks had spirits.

You appear to believe the second and people here are trying to say it is the first. You are either playing word games or not getting it.

This is what we are being warned against, not to confuse the physical creation with God himself.
Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

SkyWriting said:

That's covered 100% here: Do you know God through answered prayer ?
Steps 1, 2, & 3

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Quoting from the page:

"So we should pray as Jesus instructed us to"

And where do we find Jesus' instructions? And look at all the scripture he quotes to get his point across.

I see even the OP is relying now on the scriptures to make his point. It's becoming laughable. lol

sawdust said:

Quoting from the page:

"So we should pray as Jesus instructed us to"
And where do we find Jesus' instructions? And look at all the scripture he quotes to get his point across.
I see even the OP is relying now on the scriptures to make his point. It's becoming laughable. lol

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Are you asking?
That was my blog you were reading. Did you want more or less scripture?
I added 12 but I could take them out if that helps. People object to either method but I'll add in the lords prayer at your request.

Do you know God through answered prayer Steps 1, 2, & 3 <me

Thomas White said:

So many Christians close themselves off to God by refusing to look beyond the pages of scripture. God is infinite. His Truth is infinite. The universe is ever-expanding. Based on these facts alone, the Bible cannot contain everything. There is so much more about God that we simply do not know. Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of Himself to us. We hurt ourselves and the Church by refusing to look for God in everyday life.

Thoughts?!

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How does the universe expanding physically translate into truth expanding?

I don’t think for a minute that scientific discovery is God revealing Himself because we cannot find out about God through doing research anymore.This is because men of science are no longer seekers of God. I work in science and learning about God is not the goal.

Now the Bible doesn’t claim to contain all truth. It is written so they we may believe in Him and have eternal life in Him. For that purpose it has enough.

To find God one cannot look at the world around us for the most part as a source. One finds God by reading the God inspired works of men who knew God. He’s a person, not n experience.

Albion said:

Quote the next verse in that passage, too. John 20:31

31 "but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name."

In other words, the Bible does contain all that it is necessary for us to know in order to fulfill the purposes for which God inspired the Bible. The mistake that is often made is to insist, as many people and churches do, that the Bible is only partially competent and that we absolutely must turn elsewhere for other essential knowledge relating to our faith.

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I actually think most churches make the mistake of not reading all of the Bible but just the bits they like. No one preaches from verses like the parable of the man who refused to forgive, for example.

Dorothy Mae said:

How does the universe expanding physically translate into truth expanding?

I don’t think for a minute that scientific discovery is God revealing Himself because we cannot find out about God through doing research anymore.This is because men of science are no longer seekers of God. I work in science and learning about God is not the goal.

Now the Bible doesn’t claim to contain all truth. It is written so they we may believe in Him and have eternal life in Him. For that purpose it has enough.

To find God one cannot look at the world around us for the most part as a source. One finds God by reading the God inspired works of men who knew God. He’s a person, not n experience.

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God is an experience, an interaction, a conversation. Do you know God through interactive prayer ?
Steps 1, 2, & 3

SkyWriting said:

God is an experience, an interaction, a conversation.

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He doesn’t describe Himself in such lowly terms.

SkyWriting said:

Are you asking? That was my blog you were reading. Did you want more or less scripture? I added 12 but I could take them out if that helps. People object to either method.

Do you know God through answered prayer Steps 1, 2, & 3 <me

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I was asking where do you find the Lord's prayer as your blog states to follow Jesus' instructions. That is what you were referencing. The question was rhetorical.

To date you have shown God is infinite, eternal, Creator, brilliant, that He answers prayer but all these things are also in the scriptures. You need to show something about God that is NOT in the scriptures for the OP stated:

"There is so much more about God that we simply do not know. Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of Himself to us."

You have both failed to show "the more" that is God and is not revealed in scriptures. Even the little we can know from looking at what is made is stated in scripture. ie.Rom.1:20

You want to know more about God? Then study His word, not the universe. The universe will declare Him but it will not reveal Him beyond what the scriptures already teach.

sawdust said:

I was asking where do you find the Lord's prayer as your blog states to follow Jesus' instructions. That is what you were referencing. The question was rhetorical.

To date you have shown God is infinite, eternal, Creator, brilliant, that He answers prayer but all these things are also in the scriptures. You need to show something about God that is NOT in the scriptures for the OP stated:

"There is so much more about God that we simply do not know. Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of Himself to us."

You have both failed to show "the more" that is God and is not revealed in scriptures. Even the little we can know from looking at what is made is stated in scripture. ie.Rom.1:20

You want to know more about God? Then study His word, not the universe. The universe will declare Him but it will not reveal Him beyond what the scriptures already teach.

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Nothing in writing from God is required. As the Bible states clearly in multiple places.

SkyWriting said:

God is an experience, an interaction, a conversation. Do you know God through interactive prayer ?
Steps 1, 2, & 3

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Man cannot give steps to another man that obligate God to respond. Might as well give a person steps, 1, 2, 3, to have an experience with your mother.

I repeat, God doesn’t describe himself as an experience one can obtain.

sawdust said:

Quoting from the page:

"So we should pray as Jesus instructed us to"

And where do we find Jesus' instructions?

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In the Lord's Prayer. I figure readers know it by heart.

Dorothy Mae said:

Man cannot give steps to another man that obligate God to respond. Might as well give a person steps, 1, 2, 3, to have an experience with your mother.

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Oh, it does work. It works every time. It always has for anyone throughout history.
If you read any account of answered prayer, it follows my framework.
I just have summarized the process well enough to write it down.
There is a process for talking to people, but this isn't it.