Vaccine - Take, wait, never + political position + right - middle - left

OldWiseGuy · Feb 26, 2021

Got mine this past Tuesday at 4:00 p.m. The needle is so small I barely felt it. Later that evening my arm felt like someone had shot me. Couldn't sleep on that side for the pain. Wednesday, still painful and couldn't raise my arm above my shoulder all day. Thursday pain nearly gone. Friday, no pain at all unless I press on injection site. No other side effects.

Elliewaves · Feb 26, 2021

I'll get it although I probably will be last in line in terms of eligibility. Interestingly enough, I have a teacher friend that is getting it today and posted about it on her FB. One of her very first commenters was one of her friends that is deep into conspiracies and is very far right. She commented that she had heard from God not to take it and was "commanding" my friend not to take it , then she went on and spelled out "do not!" in all caps with a bajillon exlamation points about 50 or so times. My friend handled it pretty graciously and said that she had prayed about it and was pretty convicted to get it when offered so she can continue to take care of and see her elderly parents regularly and safely.

WolfGate · Feb 26, 2021

OldWiseGuy said:
Got mine this past Tuesday at 4:00 p.m. The needle is so small I barely felt it. Later that evening my arm felt like someone had shot me. Couldn't sleep on that side for the pain. Wednesday, still painful and couldn't raise my arm above my shoulder all day. Thursday pain nearly gone. Friday, no pain at all unless I press on injection site. No other side effects.

That mirrors my reaction except it sounds like your pain was about double mine. I was able to keep full movement of my arm, it just hurt in some directions.

LightLoveHope · Mar 1, 2021

Getting my vaccine shot in a week. Wife and daughter have had there's, working in the care sector, so it's all progressing well.

loveofourlord · Mar 1, 2021

with more shots being availabl,e I might be able to get my shot sooner, but the old projection was june to august for my age group.

cow451 · Mar 4, 2021

I got mine the same month as the President.

LightLoveHope · Mar 9, 2021

LightLoveHope said:
Getting my vaccine shot in a week. Wife and daughter have had there's, working in the care sector, so it's all progressing well.

Got my jab. Hurts a bit 24 hours later but nothing else.
My family always tend to react worse to these kind of things.
It is clear in the UK the cases are falling because of the vaccine, which really does mean things can return to normality.

Paranoia is always a dangerous thing. When people rush to things people get crushed.
Why oh why in the age of communication and the internet do some claim a well developed and tested vaccine could harm us. Back 2 centuries ago the small pox vaccine was dangerous and christian leaders still took the risk to show the risk was less than the illness.

I was told today Job lived before Noahs flood, and saw the dinosaurs, and that increased gravity caused us to have shorter lives after the flood. All these things are wrong, provably nonsense. But then if I am meant to respect what such people say, God help those who listen to them.

Equally there will always be people who doubt things and come with arguments, but you need to listen to their foundation and ask for evidence other than their opinion.

The vaccine works, fewer people are getting ill, fewer people are dying. Now that has to be a good thing, a really, really good thing.

God bless you

Aldebaran · Mar 9, 2021

LightLoveHope said:
So what is actually going on? Is it actually a distortion due to the internet and who comes to forums or some other ethical, world view issue?

For some reason, it's hard for some people to be fully confident in having a vaccine put into their body which has been developed and produced in a record amount of time for a virus that didn't even show up until about a year ago, and now is authorized by the government for "emergency use". Considering how so many more vaccines and medications which had been in development for far longer times, and were not rushed into public so quickly under emergency authorization, and still ended up being blamed for numerous deaths and were recalled, there are many other treatments that could be considered.
I wouldn't be so quick to buy into this vaccine. The fact that even the "experts" still tell us to wear a mask even after getting both doses of their 95% effective vaccine shows how confident they are in it.

jayem · Mar 10, 2021

I retired not long ago after a 40+ year career in health care. I’m a firm vaccine believer. When still in training (mid 70s) I saw a patient with full-blown tetanus. Nearly every muscle in his body was as rigid as a steel girder. He had to be completely paralyzed so the ventilator could inflate his lungs. It was horrible. And so hard to believe that an ancient and totally preventable disease could still occur because someone neglected to get regular booster shots.

Of course there are risks to all vaccines and medications. But what’s most important, and what many lay people overlook, is the risk/benefit ratio. It’s statistically unquestionable that for modern vaccines, the benefits are vastly greater than the risks. Working in healthcare, and being exposed to sick people and body fluids, I’ve gotten almost every vaccine under the sun. Maybe I’m fortunate, but I’ve never had any serious reaction. I volunteered as a test subject for the Pfizer Covid vaccine last summer. Had a slightly sore arm for a day or so. Nothing more. And I’ll gladly be a test subject again when a booster is developed to deal with the emerging variant SARS-CoV-2 strains. Which I suspect is likely.

LightLoveHope · Mar 12, 2021

Aldebaran said:
For some reason, it's hard for some people to be fully confident in having a vaccine put into their body which has been developed and produced in a record amount of time for a virus that didn't even show up until about a year ago, and now is authorized by the government for "emergency use". Considering how so many more vaccines and medications which had been in development for far longer times, and were not rushed into public so quickly under emergency authorization, and still ended up being blamed for numerous deaths and were recalled, there are many other treatments that could be considered.
I wouldn't be so quick to buy into this vaccine. The fact that even the "experts" still tell us to wear a mask even after getting both doses of their 95% effective vaccine shows how confident they are in it.

The experts know empirical facts rule. If everyone gets the vaccine and the numbers have dropped to a safe level, then we can free up. New mutations, changed situations can occur that cannot be predicted, so there is much to be gained by being cautious. If anything with a new disease, caution is the key word. The biological world is so complex, and with 7 billion+ breeding opportunities what could happen will happen. The hypothesis is the disease will be under control and fall to low levels because of the vaccine. The theory is proved by the experiment we are now part of. If only partially successful, masks and isolation will possibly make the difference.

Time will tell. That is how science works.

God bless you

cow451 · Mar 17, 2021

Aldebaran said:
For some reason, it's hard for some people to be fully confident in having a vaccine put into their body which has been developed and produced in a record amount of time for a virus that didn't even show up until about a year ago, and now is authorized by the government for "emergency use". Considering how so many more vaccines and medications which had been in development for far longer times, and were not rushed into public so quickly under emergency authorization, and still ended up being blamed for numerous deaths and were recalled, there are many other treatments that could be considered.
I wouldn't be so quick to buy into this vaccine. The fact that even the "experts" still tell us to wear a mask even after getting both doses of their 95% effective vaccine shows how confident they are in it.

I've had the vaccine and I've had COVID-19. I'll take the vaccine, given the choice.

Most infected people spread the virus before having symptoms themselves. That means if you get the virus, everyone you contact during that time that doesn't have immunity is getting the COVID gift from you.

Aldebaran · Mar 17, 2021

LightLoveHope said:
The experts know empirical facts rule. If everyone gets the vaccine and the numbers have dropped to a safe level, then we can free up. New mutations, changed situations can occur that cannot be predicted, so there is much to be gained by being cautious. If anything with a new disease, caution is the key word. The biological world is so complex, and with 7 billion+ breeding opportunities what could happen will happen. The hypothesis is the disease will be under control and fall to low levels because of the vaccine. The theory is proved by the experiment we are now part of. If only partially successful, masks and isolation will possibly make the difference.

Time will tell. That is how science works.

God bless you

There's another experiment that's taking place that most people aren't even aware of. What is the long-term effect this vaccine will have on the people who are receiving it? Does anyone know? It hasn't even been around long enough to be authorized for anything but "emergency use", and yet 7 billion people are supposed to receive it. That's not exactly being cautious.

jayem · Mar 17, 2021

Aldebaran said:
There's another experiment that's taking place that most people aren't even aware of. What is the long-term effect this vaccine will have on the people who are receiving it? Does anyone know? It hasn't even been around long enough to be authorized for anything but "emergency use", and yet 7 billion people are supposed to receive it. That's not exactly being cautious.

How long would you wait for clinical trials to indicate the exact safety of the various vaccines? In terms of deaths, 2020 was the deadliest year in American history. This is from a USA Today piece in Jan.:

Final figures aren't yet in, but preliminary numbers show 2020 is on track to become the deadliest year in U.S. history, with more than 3.2 million total deaths – about 400,000 more than 2019 – a sharp increase that public health experts attribute to COVID-19 and aligns with reported deaths from the disease...

It’s not a coincidence, he said, that the 400,000 excess deaths closely resemble the number of coronavirus deaths in the U.S., which reached 401,796 as of Wednesday, according to John Hopkins data...

COVID-19: US excess deaths in 2020 show impact of coronavirus pandemic

What could have caused 400,000 excess fatalities in our country last year? We weren't fighting a war. It's not caused by violent BLM or Antifa protests. There wasn't any enormous crime wave. No surge in drug-related fatalities could have killed this many people. This is indisbutably due to Covid 19. How many more years should we suffer this level of mortality before vaccines to prevent infection are approved?

Aldebaran · Mar 17, 2021

jayem said:
How long would you wait for clinical trials to indicate the exact safety of the various vaccines? In terms of deaths, 2020 was the deadliest year in American history. This is from a USA Today piece in Jan.:

Final figures aren't yet in, but preliminary numbers show 2020 is on track to become the deadliest year in U.S. history, with more than 3.2 million total deaths – about 400,000 more than 2019 – a sharp increase that public health experts attribute to COVID-19 and aligns with reported deaths from the disease...

It’s not a coincidence, he said, that the 400,000 excess deaths closely resemble the number of coronavirus deaths in the U.S., which reached 401,796 as of Wednesday, according to John Hopkins data...

COVID-19: US excess deaths in 2020 show impact of coronavirus pandemic

What could have caused 400,000 excess fatalities in our country last year? We weren't fighting a war. It's not caused by violent BLM or Antifa protests. There wasn't any enormous crime wave. No surge in drug-related fatalities could have killed this many people. This is indisbutably due to Covid 19. How many more years should we suffer this level of mortality before vaccines to prevent infection are approved?

Vaccines usually take around 10 years to be fully authorized for general use. "Emergency Authorization" is the lowest level approval. Not much different than a maneuver you might do with your car (such as deliberately run off the road) to avoid a serious or fatal collision, but could be very dangerous anyway, but at least will save your life.

jayem · Mar 17, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Vaccines usually take around 10 years to be fully authorized for general use. "Emergency Authorization" is the lowest level approval. Not much different than a maneuver you might do with your car (such as deliberately run off the road) to avoid a serious or fatal collision, but could be very dangerous anyway, but at least will save your life.

Remember Operation "Warp Speed?" Just in the last few week our former President boasted about how his administration was responsible for Covid-19 vaccines being developed and approved for use so quickly. In fact, he said it was a miracle:

The ex-president said that his administration was responsible for a “modern day medical miracle” and that Republicans should get all the praise for fighting the coronavirus.

“As conservatives and Republicans, never forget that we did it, never let them take the credit, they don’t deserve the credit, they are following our plan, this is something they call an absolute miracle,” said Mr Trump.

Trump claims total credit for Covid vaccines in CPAC speech

So do you think his policy is recklessly endangering people's health and lives? If he wants the credit for successful vaccines, will you also blame him if they prove to be dangerous?

Aldebaran · Mar 17, 2021

jayem said:
Remember Operation "Warp Speed?" Just in the last few week our former President boasted about how his administration was responsible for Covid-19 vaccines being developed and approved for use so quickly. In fact, he said it was a miracle:

The ex-president said that his administration was responsible for a “modern day medical miracle” and that Republicans should get all the praise for fighting the coronavirus.

“As conservatives and Republicans, never forget that we did it, never let them take the credit, they don’t deserve the credit, they are following our plan, this is something they call an absolute miracle,” said Mr Trump.

Trump claims total credit for Covid vaccines in CPAC speech

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...trump-covid-vaccine-credit-cpac-b1808929.html

We were talking about the vaccine and how safe it might be, and now you suddenly want to talk about Trump. (What else is new?)

jayem said:
So do you think his policy is recklessly endangering people's health and lives? If he wants the credit for successful vaccines, will you also blame him if they prove to be dangerous?

I know it was something that needed to be created and released fast. So yes, I agree with that policy. At the same time, being rushed into development, production and approval doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence in its safety. So I will be hesitant to have it injected into myself. Even if we weren't talking about a vaccine, but maybe a new version of Windows for my computer, I'd stil be hesitant if it was something rushed into production in record time. I'm not an early adopter of anything, be it computer software or vaccines.

RDKirk · Mar 17, 2021

Aldebaran said:
For some reason, it's hard for some people to be fully confident in having a vaccine put into their body which has been developed and produced in a record amount of time for a virus that didn't even show up until about a year ago, and now is authorized by the government for "emergency use". Considering how so many more vaccines and medications which had been in development for far longer times, and were not rushed into public so quickly under emergency authorization, and still ended up being blamed for numerous deaths and were recalled, there are many other treatments that could be considered.
I wouldn't be so quick to buy into this vaccine. The fact that even the "experts" still tell us to wear a mask even after getting both doses of their 95% effective vaccine shows how confident they are in it.

They had been working on the mRNA technology for over a decade, since H1N1. For sure, the study got a boost because of Covid-19 and they were able to move much faster than they normally would have, but it's not a totally new technology.

RDKirk · Mar 17, 2021

My wife and I got our second dose of the Pfizer vaccine at the end of February. They used such a narrow-gauge needle (I think maybe 25 ga), that it was the most painless shot I can recall ever getting. I suffered a slightly sore arm for that evening, less than with a tetanus booster I took a few months earlier. My wife's reaction was the same--only slight soreness that night. That was a pleasant surprise. She suffers a severe allergic reaction to shellfish (we waited 30 minutes after the vaccination to be sure), and most vaccinations leave her with body aches and slight fever. So her reaction to the covid vaccination was uniquely mild.

We dared sit inside our favorite restaurant this afternoon, although they're still practicing masking and social distancing and ours was only one of three tables occupied.

But otherwise, we're still being cautious until our daughter is able to be vaccinated.

I had already gotten quite cautious after H1N1: I had already trained myself to avoid touching public surfaces with my bare hand, and then to only touch them with my right hand and touch my face with my left hand. I had already significantly increased my handwashing and voiding breathing other people's close exhalations. And I always took my flu shots (since catching the flu in the early 80s and barely getting out alive). I will relax my extra caution a sufficient time after everyone who wants the shot has had ample time to take it.

LightLoveHope · Mar 18, 2021

Aldebaran said:
There's another experiment that's taking place that most people aren't even aware of. What is the long-term effect this vaccine will have on the people who are receiving it? Does anyone know? It hasn't even been around long enough to be authorized for anything but "emergency use", and yet 7 billion people are supposed to receive it. That's not exactly being cautious.

The world has no choice.
We are a family, bound to the same night and day cycle.

To think a few companies will change the world is a stunning thought.

To some the nwo is a threat rather than us growing up to our shared mortality and life.

God bless you

Aldebaran · Mar 18, 2021

LightLoveHope said:
The world has no choice.
We are a family, bound to the same night and day cycle.

To think a few companies will change the world is a stunning thought.

To some the nwo is a threat rather than us growing up to our shared mortality and life.

God bless you

Does the NWO agenda hold the Lord Jesus Christ in high regard?
You'll have to decide when the NWO (great reset) causes you to sacrifice a little too much.

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