The Death and True Resurrection of Jesus.

Bro.T · Mar 12, 2021

truefiction1 said:
You're counting nights and days in accordance with contemporary reasoning and not with knowledge of how nights and days are counted in the Bible.

Well if you think that's what I'm doing then show me, using knowledge of the scriptures.

Bro.T · Mar 12, 2021

DamianWarS said:
Sabbath is the sabbath, Sunday is a different day. what's your point? the early biblical church valued worship on Sunday without dispute but this in no way attacks the Sabbath. The bible has never mandated worship to be only held on one day of the week regardless of which day you think that is.

Jesus Christ (John 1:1-3, 10-14) is the one who rested on the Sabbath day and commanded that you do the same. If you really understood the scriptures you would realize that He was the one who became known as Jesus who gave you the Ten Commandments. So not only did He command you to cease from your work on that day He also commanded you to. (Lev.23:3) “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation;” He said on the Sabbath day that you should also have an holy convocation, which means holy gathering or simply put, go to church. Let’s take a look and see what Jesus did when he came in the flesh, And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16)

May not be mandated but it's God dated on which day you should serve him. My point is the sabbath day worship comes from the word of God, the Bible. Sunday worship comes from out of the word of God, the Bible. Which reminds me of what Jesus says in Mark 12: 17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Bro.T · Mar 12, 2021

Sheila Davis said:
There are many Christian organizations and some Christian institutions

I agree ...... Many Christian organizations / institutions have come to the conclusion, after doing their research of scripture and the ways of the ancient Hebrews, Jesus rose on the 7th Day the Sabbath.

It seems the Hebrew days began at 6 p.m. and ended 24 hours later at 6 p.m. unlike the now used Roman's - which begins at 12 a.m.

The Hebrews had several different sabbath celebrations, besides the 7th Day Sabbath. One must know which Sabbath was being referred to when the word Sabbath is used.

Organization such as The Trumpet _ Beyond Today _ Tomorrow's World _Church of The Great God _ The Israel of God _ Biblical Archaeology are some that gives their reasonings in their articles.

It is theorized and you have stated in your comments about Easter - when Constantine became a Christian he and the early Roman church leaders changed the old Roman pagan gods celebration did on the first day, to a Christian celebration of the Resurrection.

Whatever happened, from Friday night on the Roman Calendar to before day Sunday morning is not three days and three nights. Plus if Christ rose on the 7th Day Sabbath -that goes back to Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. And I have to add in The Lost Gospel According to Peter / The Last Gospel of Peter - which is only one incomplete chapter verse 12 says "and at dawn upon the Lord's Day Mary Magdalene, a disciple of the Lord, fearing because of the Jews, since they were burning with wrath, had not done at the Lord's sepulchre the things which women are wont to do for those that die and for those that are beloved by them - she took her friends with her and came to the sepulchre where he was laid. I asked the question what and when is the Lord Day? This gospel was supposedly discovered it 1886, in the Valley of the upper Nile called Akhmim, in a monk's grave. I wonder where is it now?

That last part I'm not so sure about, a gospel supposedly discovered it 1886. I always believe that God being almighty and power, that the Bible is all we need for salvation. But I want thank you for some good understanding.

ViaCrucis · Mar 12, 2021

Bro.T said:
Lol...I tried to stick mostly with the word of God and maybe a little history here and there.

You have to actually study history, and not just conspiracy theories on the internet.

"Easter is pagan" isn't history. It's the same kind of historical falsehood as the one often told about Columbus trying to prove the earth was round: Utterly untrue but repeated and perpetuated over and over again, even by well-meaning people.

But the actual history about the Christian Paschal Feast is well attested. Which, unlike the "Easter is Pagan" falsehood, has precisely zero historical merit.

Allow me to demonstrate:

Provide historical sources that document the pre-Christian Anglo-Saxon worship of the goddess Eostre. Literally anything. But here is the caveat, the source cannot simply be making supposition or speculation, it has to be real documentation rooted in primary source material. So Jacob Grimm speculating about Eostre/Ostara/etc does not constitute as a valid historical source.

You can use archeological sources in addition to written historical sources--literally anything that actually shows and demonstrates the Anglo-Saxon worship of Eostre and what the rites, practices, etc associated with her worship.

Provide anything that can back up what you are claiming. Anything at all.

-CryptoLutheran

GreekOrthodox · Mar 12, 2021

When will LutherSatire publish "Horus Ruins Easter"?

Davy · Mar 12, 2021

It's true, the word Easter is actually not even in The Bible, the KJV translators added it in Acts 12:4 because of tradition. The word there in the Greek manuscripts is actually 'pascha', which means 'passover'.

That Lord Jesus crucified on a Friday is a tradition of man also. He was crucified on Wednesday, and buried just before sundown, which was the exact time required for the Old Testament passover sacrifice. The Hebrew time reckoning is the only calendar to use per Scripture on that event, but just like the word Easter creeping in, so men's traditions of using other calendars figured Friday for His day of crucifixion. To properly figure it, all one need do is count the three days and three nights back from Sunday morning when He arose. Per the Hebrew reckoning, the day is from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight.

Also, there were TWO sabbaths that week, for the passover involved a 'high day' or high sabbath. This is shown in John 19:31. Lord Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, and died just before sunset on Wednesday eve. They rushed to bury His body because at sunset began the 'high day', and high sabbath, and no work was to be done. So did a partial burial before sunset. Then Thursday was a high day (2 sabbaths that week because of the passover). And then at sunset the next day began Friday. At Friday sunset to Saturday sunset was the regular weekly sabbath, so they couldn't go and finish the burial. Then at Saturday sunset, which began Sunday, they went back to the tomb to finish the burial with spices, etc., and noticed Lord Jesus' body was gone.

Bro.T · Mar 12, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
How do you know this? More accurately, how could you know this? There are no records of a goddess named Eostre anywhere in the archeological and historical records outside of the Venerable Bede's Reckoning of Time. And he doesn't mention any of what you just said.

Sources?

Also you have it backward, the spring-time month was named after Eostre according to Bede.

The Council of Nicea established a standard for Paschal calculation, using the method of Paschal computation already in use by the Church in Egypt.

Yes, there were Pagans in the ancient world that celebrated during the period of the spring equinox.

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Christian Paschal fast.

-CryptoLutheran

Are we pretending that Sunday worship and Easter are not combine today. Are we pretending that the word of God is now force into these things, that none of the prophets, apostles or Jesus did, nor is written in the Bible to do. Let's see who is really behind this all in Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Bro.T · Mar 12, 2021

Albion said:
No. In fact, that has been ruled out time after time in the discussions here about this same issue.

Always keep in mind that the sabbath day is part of the law of God. In (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

renniks · Mar 12, 2021

Bro.T said:
It has been taught that Jesus died on Good Friday and rose early Sunday morning. As a result of this teaching, man instituted the holiday called Easter. On Easter Sunday you have Christians, world wide paying tribute to a day, in which they believe Jesus, was resurrected. In researching the scriptures one will find that the whole concept of Jesus dying on a Friday and being resurrected on Sunday is contrary to the bible itself. In other words, this tradition directly contradicts the word of God. This lesson will examine the history of Easter a little, and then investigate the Bible concerning the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Easter Created By Man

Before we get into the death and resurrection of Jesus we need to address history of Easter itself. We will also take a look at the symbols of Easter: rabbits and eggs. What does rabbits and eggs have to do with the birth of Jesus? Furthermore, when did rabbits start laying eggs? Additionally, we will look at the history of Easter sunrise service, lilies, candles, and hot crossed buns. If you research Easter in most encyclopedias, you will see that Easter has many customs and legends that are pagan in origin and have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

Easter was named after Eostre (sometimes spelled Eastre), the great Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring, fertility, and new life. Similar Teutonic dawn goddesses of fertility were known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos. Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Thus it is easy to see how "Eastre time" became "Easter time".
Easter Sunday falls on the first Sunday after the first full moon after March 20th, the nominal date of the Vernal (sometimes referred to as spring) Equinox. This is the day (or period of days) in spring when the days and nights are of approximately equal length. This is a time of celebrating new life, the resurrection of nature from the dead, and it has typically featured fertility rites, merrymaking, and usually centers on orgiastic sexual activities. In ancient times there were the sacrificing of virgins, the worship of fertility gods and goddesses.

The Easter sunrise service, that is practiced in many Christian churches, can be traced back to the ancient pagan custom of welcoming the sun god at the vernal equinox - when daytime is about to exceed the length of the nighttime. It was a time to celebrate the return of life and reproduction to animal and plant life as well. Worship of the sun god at sunrise is the religious ritual condemned by the Lord as recorded in Ezekiel 8:15-18.

Ezekiel 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

Ezekiel 8:15-18 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

Well since Christians are not worshiping the Sun or a fertility God when they go to a sunrise service, how is it an abomination to worship God at sunrise? Or to thank him for the new season? It would only be an abomination if that's why they were there, to worship some other God.

Davy · Mar 12, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
You have to actually study history, and not just conspiracy theories on the internet.

"Easter is pagan" isn't history. It's the same kind of historical falsehood as the one often told about Columbus trying to prove the earth was round: Utterly untrue but repeated and perpetuated over and over again, even by well-meaning people.

But the actual history about the Christian Paschal Feast is well attested. Which, unlike the "Easter is Pagan" falsehood, has precisely zero historical merit.

Allow me to demonstrate:

Provide historical sources that document the pre-Christian Anglo-Saxon worship of the goddess Eostre. Literally anything. But here is the caveat, the source cannot simply be making supposition or speculation, it has to be real documentation rooted in primary source material. So Jacob Grimm speculating about Eostre/Ostara/etc does not constitute as a valid historical source.

You can use archeological sources in addition to written historical sources--literally anything that actually shows and demonstrates the Anglo-Saxon worship of Eostre and what the rites, practices, etc associated with her worship.

Provide anything that can back up what you are claiming. Anything at all.

-CryptoLutheran

Find me the word Easter in God's written Word.

And oh, you cannot quote KJV Acts 12:4 either, because the actual word in the Greek New Testament manuscripts the KJV translators used there is the word 'pascha', which means Passover. The KJV translators added the word "Easter" in Acts 12.

Lord Jesus was crucified at the exact time required for the Passover lamb per the Old Testament. That is why Apostle Paul said this...

1 Cor 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
KJV

Bro.T · Mar 12, 2021

Der Alte said:
In the NT and today the Greek word for the day of the week we call Friday is parasceue, which means "preparation."
All four gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on parasceue/Friday.

Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, [παρασκευή/Parasceue] that is, the day before the sabbath, [προσάββατον/prosabbaton]
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, [παρασκευή/Parasceue] and the sabbath drew on.
Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation [παρασκευή/Parasceue] of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, [παρασκευή/Parasceue] that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, [παρασκευή/Parasceue] the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

Well, if that's what you want to follow, then so be it. But at this point using simple addition math should of help your dissension. If you can get three days and three night starting at Friday, you are indeed special.

Let's reread it again (Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Show me how those Greeks got those three day and three night starting at Friday, my friend

Bro.T · Mar 12, 2021

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
That's like saying "if you pray on a Tuesday you are not talking to the right God, because Jesus never commanded us to pray on Tuesdays". Ridiculous.

You should get down from your high horse and stop being legalistic. You don't even seem to know the God we are talking about here.

It doesn't feel like you have Godly spirit to tell me I need to get off a High horse. I wouldn't say that you knowing that God and see it. Now what you saying to me have no point at all according to the Bible, the word of God. Jesus Christ (John 1:1-3, 10-14) is the one who rested on the Sabbath day and commanded that you do the same. If you really understood the scriptures you would realize that He was the one who became known as Jesus who gave you the Ten Commandments. So not only did He command you to cease from your work on that day He also commanded you to. (Lev.23:3) “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation;” He said on the Sabbath day that you should also have an holy convocation, which means holy gathering or simply put, go to church.

Let’s take a look and see what Jesus did when he came in the flesh, And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16). Keeping the sabbath day is part of the law. In (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

truefiction1 · Mar 12, 2021

Bro.T said:
Well if you think that's what I'm doing then show me, using knowledge of the scriptures.

Why not just look for yourself? There are Biblical explanations in many an internet article.

a-lily-of-peace · Mar 12, 2021

Bro.T said:
Are we pretending that Sunday worship and Easter are not combine today. Are we pretending that the word of God is now force into these things, that none of the prophets, apostles or Jesus did, nor is written in the Bible to do. Let's see who is really behind this all in Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
(Romans 14:5-8, NKJV)

Also:
Quartodecimanism

Albion · Mar 12, 2021

Bro.T said:
Well if you think that's what I'm doing then show me, using knowledge of the scriptures.

We know what the Scriptures say; the question is what do the Scriptures mean by it. It is well-known (and it's been discussed here before) that the counting of days then was not as we do it now.

This should come as no surprise to you, considering (for example) that you know the Sabbath does not start at 12 midnight and end 24 hours later.

Davy · Mar 12, 2021

Albion said:
We know what the Scriptures say; the question is what do the Scriptures mean by it. It is well-known (and it's been discussed here before) that the counting of days then was not as we do it now.

This should come as no surprise to you, considering (for example) that you know the Sabbath does not start at 12 midnight and end 24 hours later.

A count backwards using the Hebrew reckoning for a day (sunset to sunset) will align perfectly with Christ's declaration that His body would be in the tomb for three days and three nights. Simply start with the Sunday He arose. It's that simple.

Now those who want to argue against that prophesy time our Lord Jesus gave, show they have an outside agenda from man, and do not care to listen to our Lord Jesus in His Word.

Matt 12:40
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
KJV

ViaCrucis · Mar 12, 2021

Bro.T said:
Are we pretending that Sunday worship and Easter are not combine today. Are we pretending that the word of God is now force into these things, that none of the prophets, apostles or Jesus did, nor is written in the Bible to do. Let's see who is really behind this all in Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

If you have a problem with Christians celebrating Christ's resurrection on the first day of the week then you may want to take it up with Jesus--He's the One who rose on the first day of the week.

Maybe you can file a formal complaint or something. Let us know how that goes.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis · Mar 12, 2021

Davy said:
Find me the word Easter in God's written Word.

Why?

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis · Mar 12, 2021

Davy said:
used there is the word 'pascha', which means Passover.

Pascha is also the word used throughout the Church around the world and throughout history to refer to the Feast of Christ's resurrection. We do not celebrate the Jewish Passover, but the Christian Passover, Holy Pascha, the Feast of Christ's Resurrection.

"Easter" is a uniquely English word. The only other language which has a variant of it is German with the cognate Ostern. Greek, Latin, French, Italian, Dutch, Icelandic, Ethiopian, Aramaic, Arabic--it's all Pascha.

Kαλό Πάσχα!
Χριστός Ανέστη!

-CryptoLutheran

Jaxxi · Mar 12, 2021

Bro.T said:
It has been taught that Jesus died on Good Friday and rose early Sunday morning. As a result of this teaching, man instituted the holiday called Easter. On Easter Sunday you have Christians, world wide paying tribute to a day, in which they believe Jesus, was resurrected. In researching the scriptures one will find that the whole concept of Jesus dying on a Friday and being resurrected on Sunday is contrary to the bible itself. In other words, this tradition directly contradicts the word of God. This lesson will examine the history of Easter a little, and then investigate the Bible concerning the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Easter Created By Man

Before we get into the death and resurrection of Jesus we need to address history of Easter itself. We will also take a look at the symbols of Easter: rabbits and eggs. What does rabbits and eggs have to do with the birth of Jesus? Furthermore, when did rabbits start laying eggs? Additionally, we will look at the history of Easter sunrise service, lilies, candles, and hot crossed buns. If you research Easter in most encyclopedias, you will see that Easter has many customs and legends that are pagan in origin and have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

Easter was named after Eostre (sometimes spelled Eastre), the great Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring, fertility, and new life. Similar Teutonic dawn goddesses of fertility were known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos. Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Thus it is easy to see how "Eastre time" became "Easter time".
Easter Sunday falls on the first Sunday after the first full moon after March 20th, the nominal date of the Vernal (sometimes referred to as spring) Equinox. This is the day (or period of days) in spring when the days and nights are of approximately equal length. This is a time of celebrating new life, the resurrection of nature from the dead, and it has typically featured fertility rites, merrymaking, and usually centers on orgiastic sexual activities. In ancient times there were the sacrificing of virgins, the worship of fertility gods and goddesses.

The Easter sunrise service, that is practiced in many Christian churches, can be traced back to the ancient pagan custom of welcoming the sun god at the vernal equinox - when daytime is about to exceed the length of the nighttime. It was a time to celebrate the return of life and reproduction to animal and plant life as well. Worship of the sun god at sunrise is the religious ritual condemned by the Lord as recorded in Ezekiel 8:15-18.

Ezekiel 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

Ezekiel 8:15-18 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

What do you mean True Resurrection? John 11:9 says
Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

This is what we go by. Three days.

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