a physical body in heaven?

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Where would that be Angles are spirit beings without form, they can take on physical form as they did when they appeared to man.

Two images of Cherubim were placed on the ark of the covenant - at God's direction.
Ex 5:18-20
18 You shall make two cherubim of gold; make them of hammered work at the two ends of the atoning cover. 19 Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the atoning cover at its two ends. 20 And the cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the atoning cover with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the atoning cover.

Satan was the "covering cherub" in heaven according to Ezek 28:

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.

Numbers 22:31
Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the Angel of the Lord standing in the way with His drawn sword in his hand; and he bowed his head and fell flat on his face.

Judges 6
21 Then the Angel of the Lord put out the end of the staff that was in His hand, and touched the meat and the unleavened bread; and fire rose out of the rock and consumed the meat and the unleavened bread. And the Angel of the Lord departed out of his sight.
22 Now Gideon perceived that He was the Angel of the Lord. So Gideon said, “Alas, O Lord God! For I have seen the Angel of the Lord face to face.”

2 Samuel 24:17
Then David spoke to the Lord when he saw the angel who was striking the people, and said, “Surely I have sinned, and I have done wickedly; but these sheep, what have they done? Let Your hand, I pray, be against me and against my father’s house.”


1 Chronicles 21:16
Then David lifted his eyes and saw the angel of the Lord standing between earth and heaven, having in his hand a drawn sword stretched out over Jerusalem. So David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell on their faces.

1 Chronicles 21:20
Now Ornan turned and saw the angel; and his four sons who were with him hid themselves, but Ornan continued threshing wheat.

1 Chron 21:
25 So David gave Ornan six hundred shekels of gold by weight for the place. 26 And David built there an altar to the Lord, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called on the Lord; and He answered him from heaven by fire on the altar of burnt offering.
27 So the Lord commanded the angel, and he returned his sword to its sheath.

Matthew 28:2
And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it.

John 20:12
And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Luke 1:11
Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

Luke 1:19
And the angel answered and said to him, “I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you these glad tidings.

Luke 2:9
And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid.

Acts 12:7
Now behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him, and a light shone in the prison; and he struck Peter on the side and raised him up, saying, “Arise quickly!” And his chains fell off his hands.

Acts 11:13
And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter,

The physical form of angels embroidered --> Cherubim embroidered on the veil of the temple
Ex 26:31
31 “You shall also make a veil of violet, purple, and scarlet material, and fine twisted linen; it shall be made with cherubim, the work of a skilled embroiderer.

The angel who appeared to the shepherds and the angelic multitude who praised God in Luke 2:8-15.
8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid. 10 Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. 11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.”
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God

2 Thessalonians 1:7
and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,


God is Spirit - Christ is God - Christ as God the Son, has a body. Christ could "appear" or disappear according to the gospel accounts after His resurrection.

Angels are described in Ezek 1

Ezekiel 1:5-11.
4 As I looked, behold, a high wind was coming from the north, a great cloud with fire flashing intermittently and a bright light around it, and in its midst something like gleaming metal in the midst of the fire. 5 And within it there were figures resembling four living beings. And this was their appearance: they had human form. 6 Each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf’s hoof, and they sparkled like polished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides were human hands. As for the faces and wings of the four of them, 9 their wings touched one another; their faces did not turn when they moved, each went straight forward. 10 As for the form of their faces, each had a human face; all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out above; each had two touching another being, and two covering their bodies. 12 And each went straight forward; wherever the spirit was about to go, they would go, without turning as they went.

Revelation 10:1
I saw still another mighty angel coming down from heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on his head, his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire.

Revelation 7:11
All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,

Revelation 8:2
And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.

Revelation 8:3
Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.


Revelation 10:8
Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, “Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth.”

Revelation 15:6
And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands.

Revelation 21:17
Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel.

Revelation 22:8
Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
 
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Yet some here do not understand that per God's Word, and are being lied to by hirelings in their pulpits that think the image of man always involves a flesh physical body. They don't understand the image of man originated from the Heavenly with God's Own Image Likeness.

Ok - well that part is in the Bible at least.
 
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Have you ever looked up the Scriptures that you quote in any Bible commentary?

I don't use a lot of commentaries for opinion. I mostly refer straight to Scripture, as can easily be seen in the majority of my posts.
 
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If I contradict my Lord Jesus, then so did Apostle Paul with all the Scripture examples he gave, and I align with what Apostle Paul said, you don't.

You REFUSE to address the following Scriptures...

1 Cor 15:44-50
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Yes, "the image of the heavenly" (man) is there, though not in the text to which I was referring
(1Co 15:35-44). I stand corrected.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Those Scriptures in red above are precise and definitive.
Exactly!!!

As we bore the
image of the first man from earth--Adam, so in the resurrection we will
bear the
image of the second "man from heaven"--the Lord Jesus Christ (v.49).

And the "image of the second man" (resurrection body) was shown to us by Jesus Christ himself, where he himself precisely and definitively told us it was flesh and bones (Luke 24:38-43). Bones are not immaterial.

ADDRESSED. . .
precise and definitive. So is this below...
2 Cor 5:1-2
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
Yes, our natural flesh body is likened to a tabernacle/tent (v.1), a temporary and flimsy dwelling for our spirit, a dwelling which is frail, vulnerable and wasting away (4:19-12, 16), while the dwelling for our spirit in the heavens; i.e., our spiritual flesh body, is a solid structure--permanent, not temporary; an eternal reality as yet unseen (4:18); the work of God, not human hands and, therefore, perfect (Heb 9:11).
Yes, Paul defined the "spiritual body" with the phrase "image of the heavenly" also! That means an angelic type body, NOT one of flesh...
NO. . .Paul states precisely and definitively that it is the image of "the man from heaven,"
(1 Corinthians 15:49), the Lord Jesus Christ, and whose image is his resurrection body of flesh and bones (Lk 24:38-43).

ALSO ADDRESSED. . .
Matt 22:29-32
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Yes. . .and Jesus states in what way. . .in that they do not marry nor are given in marriage, and we know from the OT that they can materialize in a body and "de-materialize," as Jesus did.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob" God is not the God of the dead but the God of the living.


Even in that last part, Lord Jesus shows that even Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ARE STILL ALIVE!
As is my mother, who is in the grave. But none have bodies now, only their spirits are alive.
These Scriptures also reveal how Lord Jesus in His resurrected body, as a quickened Spirit,
No. . .the text states "quickened by the Spirit." (1Pe 3:18)

To quicken is to "make alive." (1Pe 3:18)

Jesus was made made alive (quickened) by the Spirit in the resurrection.

went to the spirits in prison in the heavenly and preached to them. Peter then further says this was so that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
1 Peter 3:18-19
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
KJV
That idea "quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went..." there, means Christ's resurrection was to a Spirit body, not flesh.
No. . .that means Christ was quickened (made alive) by the Spirit. . .in the resurrection.
His flesh was transfigured to the heavenly type body. Jesus didn't need a flesh body before He was born through woman either.
In the realm of time, Jesus had no physical flesh body until it was conceived in the womb of Mary.
The body type of that other dimension is a spiritual body, which is the image of the heavenly.
Paul presents no immaterial human body at our resurrection, and Jesus had no immaterial human body at his resurrection, he said his body was flesh and bones (Lk 24:38-43). Bones are not immaterial.
1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV
Yes, Jesus could "de-materialize" his flesh and bones body, as he did with his apostles before his ascension back into heaven.
Those men that died are there now, living according to God in the spirit. It means they are in their spiritual body, the image of the heavenly.
Now you're making up words to suit your own doctrine. The "spiritual body" term Apostle Paul used NEVER applies to flesh and blood.
Paul used the idea of a "natural body" when pointing to a flesh and blood body. The word physical Paul did not use to define the two types of bodies.
Strawman. . .meaningless.
He didn't use "physical" to describe any kind of flesh, and he also didn't use "light" to describe the sun.
Stay confused with man's doctrines if you want, I'm done showing you the Scripture evidence.
Your loss. . .and "the Scripture evidence" you presented was contra-Biblically interpreted.

IN SUMMARY:


1) The "image of the heavenly" (1Co 15:49, KJV) is the image of "the second man, the Lord from heaven" of v.47,
it does not mean "angelic type body, not one of flesh."

2) "In the resurrection. . .they are as the angels of God in heaven" (Mt 22:30) does not mean without bodies of flesh,
it means "without marrying or giving in marriage."

3) 1Pe 3:18 does not state "Christ was a quickening Spirit,"
the text states "Christ was quickened by the Spirit," i.e., made alive at the resurrection.

4) "Christ was quickened by the Spirit" (1Pe 3:18) does not mean "Christ's resurrection was to a Spirit body, not flesh,"
it means made alive at the resurrection.

5) That "the 'spiritual body' term Apostle Paul used NEVER applies to flesh and blood" is a totally false claim regarding Paul's usage of "spiritual,"
and is based on no Biblical examination of Paul's usage of the term "spiritual."
 
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Where in Scripture does it say that God has a body or physical form?

You're joking, right?

Dan 7:9
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
KJV

Dan 7:13
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before Him.
KJV

Acts 7:55
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
KJV


Heb 1:1-3
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
KJV



The idea that GOD is an unseen force only with no shape or form, is a PAGAN ideology. Pantheism is the false belief that GOD is like a circle with everything contained within it, and that GOD is merely just a spirit nature that is in all things, which is why PAGANS go about hugging trees and rocks and worshiping the creature instead of The Creator (Romans 1).
 
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That’s not a sound exegesis of the text and it clashes with St. Thomas the Apostle physically touching the wounds of our Lord.

It's your lack of understanding Apostle Paul in Scripture like 2 Corinthians 5:1 and 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 that clashes with Thomas. The following Scripture especially does if you refuse to grasp that the heavenly image body looks and operates like flesh...

Gen 18:1-8
18 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.

7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
KJV



Did The LORD have a flesh body there when He and the two men with Him appeared to Abraham, and ate man's food?
 
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Ok - well that part is in the Bible at least.

What kind of statement is that, "at least"? What I quoted from God's Word about the "spiritual body" and "image of the heavenly" Apostle Paul taught IS... Scripture proof. There is no such thing as your insinuation that is not written. So when I quote Scripture on the matter, all... those are from The Bible too!

Brethren in Christ: what is it with this place here? have God's people been so used to man's philosophies and rubbish un-Scriptural preaching that they can no longer recognize direct quotes from God's written Word? God's Word as written is the Measure, and all things will... be judged by it.
 
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Yes, "the image of the heavenly" is there, though not in the text to which I was referring
(1Co 15:35-44). I stand corrected.Exactly!!!

As we bore the
image of the first man from earth--Adam, so in the resurrection we will
bear the
image of the second "man from heaven"--the Lord Jesus Christ (v.49).

And the "image of the second man" was shown to us by Jesus Christ himself, where he himself precisely and definitively told us it was flesh and bones (Luke 24:38-43). Bones are not immaterial.

ADDRESSED. . .
Yes, our natural flesh body is likened to a tabernacle/tent (v.1), a temporary and flimsy dwelling for our spirit, a dwelling which is frail, vulnerable and wasting away (4:19-12, 16), while the dwelling for our spirit in the heavens; i.e., our spiritual flesh body, is a solid structure--permanent, not temporary; an eternal reality as yet unseen (4:18); the work of God, not human hands and, therefore, perfect (Heb 9:11).NO. . .Paul states precisely and definitively that it is the image of "the man from heaven,"
(1 Corinthians 15:49), the Lord Jesus Christ, whose image is his resurrection body of flesh and bones (Lk 24:38-43).

ALSO ADDRESSED. . .Who do not marry nor are given in marriage, and who can materialize in a body and "de-materialize" as Jesus did.

As is my mother, who is in the grave. But none have bodies now, only their spirits are alive.
No. . .that's "quickened by the Spirit." (1Pe 3:18)

To quicken is to "make alive." (1Pe 3:18)

Jesus was made made alive (quickened) by the Spirit in the resurrection.


No. . .that means Christ was quickened (made alive) by the Spirit. . .in the resurrection.
In the realm of time, Jesus had no physical flesh body until it was conceived in the womb of Mary.
Paul presents no immaterial human body at our resurrection, and Jesus had no immaterial human body at his resurrection, he said his body was flesh and bones (Lk 24:38-43). Bones are not immaterial.
Yes, Jesus could "de-materialize" his flesh and bones body, as he did with his apostles before his ascension back into heaven.
Strawman. . .meaningless.
He didn't use "physical" to describe any kind of flesh, and he also didn't use "light" to describe the sun.
Your loss. . .and "the Scripture evidence" you presented was contra-Biblically interpreted.

Already been there, showed you the Bible proof that the resurrection is NOT to a flesh body. You reject the Scriptures, so I'll have nothing more to do with you. Welcome to my Ignore List.
 
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What about the period of time between death and the Parousia (return of Jesus)
We are present with the Lord (Philippians 1:23); 2 Corinthians 5:8) but are incomplete without our body (2 Corinthians 5:1-4).

When our earthly tent (body) is dismantled (dies), we are without a tent (body), naked and longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling (resurrection body).

While on earth, we do not wish to be unclothed (by death), but to be clothed with our resurrection bodies, which is to be swallowed up by life (v.4), and not by death.
 
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Already been there, showed you the Bible proof that the resurrection is NOT to a flesh body. You reject the Scriptures, so I'll have nothing more to do with you.
Welcome to my Ignore List.
No good deed goes unpunished. . .:cool:
 
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Where would that be Angles are spirit beings without form, they can take on physical form as they did when they appeared to man.

No such idea written in God's Word that an angel has to put on a flesh body to manifest on earth. All that idea is, is rebelliousness against God's written Word.
 
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What about the period of time between death and the Parousia (return of Jesus)?

The Bible describes those who are dead as being asleep, until they are resurrected (for example, Daniel 12:2, John 11, and 1 Thessalonians 4). The idea that people who die generally go to some intermediary realm until resurrection is a misconception. Those who died are still dead, unconscious until they are one day risen from the dead.
 
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Two images of Cherubim were placed on the ark of the covenant - at God's direction.
Ex 5:18-20
18 You shall make two cherubim of gold; make them of hammered work at the two ends of the atoning cover. 19 Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the atoning cover at its two ends. 20 And the cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the atoning cover with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the atoning cover.

Satan was the "covering cherub" in heaven according to Ezek 28:

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.

Numbers 22:31
Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the Angel of the Lord standing in the way with His drawn sword in his hand; and he bowed his head and fell flat on his face.

Judges 6
21 Then the Angel of the Lord put out the end of the staff that was in His hand, and touched the meat and the unleavened bread; and fire rose out of the rock and consumed the meat and the unleavened bread. And the Angel of the Lord departed out of his sight.
22 Now Gideon perceived that He was the Angel of the Lord. So Gideon said, “Alas, O Lord God! For I have seen the Angel of the Lord face to face.”

2 Samuel 24:17
Then David spoke to the Lord when he saw the angel who was striking the people, and said, “Surely I have sinned, and I have done wickedly; but these sheep, what have they done? Let Your hand, I pray, be against me and against my father’s house.”


1 Chronicles 21:16
Then David lifted his eyes and saw the angel of the Lord standing between earth and heaven, having in his hand a drawn sword stretched out over Jerusalem. So David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell on their faces.

1 Chronicles 21:20
Now Ornan turned and saw the angel; and his four sons who were with him hid themselves, but Ornan continued threshing wheat.

1 Chron 21:
25 So David gave Ornan six hundred shekels of gold by weight for the place. 26 And David built there an altar to the Lord, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called on the Lord; and He answered him from heaven by fire on the altar of burnt offering.
27 So the Lord commanded the angel, and he returned his sword to its sheath.

Matthew 28:2
And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it.

John 20:12
And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Luke 1:11
Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

Luke 1:19
And the angel answered and said to him, “I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you these glad tidings.

Luke 2:9
And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid.

Acts 12:7
Now behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him, and a light shone in the prison; and he struck Peter on the side and raised him up, saying, “Arise quickly!” And his chains fell off his hands.

Acts 11:13
And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter,

The physical form of angels embroidered --> Cherubim embroidered on the veil of the temple
Ex 26:31
31 “You shall also make a veil of violet, purple, and scarlet material, and fine twisted linen; it shall be made with cherubim, the work of a skilled embroiderer.

The angel who appeared to the shepherds and the angelic multitude who praised God in Luke 2:8-15.
8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid. 10 Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. 11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.”
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God

2 Thessalonians 1:7
and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,


God is Spirit - Christ is God - Christ as God the Son, has a body. Christ could "appear" or disappear according to the gospel accounts after His resurrection.

Angels are described in Ezek 1

Ezekiel 1:5-11.
4 As I looked, behold, a high wind was coming from the north, a great cloud with fire flashing intermittently and a bright light around it, and in its midst something like gleaming metal in the midst of the fire. 5 And within it there were figures resembling four living beings. And this was their appearance: they had human form. 6 Each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf’s hoof, and they sparkled like polished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides were human hands. As for the faces and wings of the four of them, 9 their wings touched one another; their faces did not turn when they moved, each went straight forward. 10 As for the form of their faces, each had a human face; all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out above; each had two touching another being, and two covering their bodies. 12 And each went straight forward; wherever the spirit was about to go, they would go, without turning as they went.

Revelation 10:1
I saw still another mighty angel coming down from heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on his head, his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire.

Revelation 7:11
All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,

Revelation 8:2
And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.

Revelation 8:3
Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.


Revelation 10:8
Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, “Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth.”

Revelation 15:6
And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands.

Revelation 21:17
Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel.

Revelation 22:8
Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
While Scripture makes anthropological descriptions as you have noted. Still angels are spirit beings without a body. Angels are personal spiritual beings who have intelligence, emotions, and will. This is true of both the good and evil angels (demons). Angels possess intelligence (Matthew 8:29; 2 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Peter 1:12), show emotion (Luke 2:13; James 2:19; Revelation 12:17), and exercise will (Luke 8:28-31; 2 Timothy 2:26; Jude 6). Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14) without true physical bodies. Although they do not have physical bodies, they are still personalities. What does the Bible say about angels? | GotQuestions.org
 
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I don't use a lot of commentaries for opinion. I mostly refer straight to Scripture, as can easily be seen in the majority of my posts.
That is all well and good but you need to know what the true meaning of the Scripture is and not just what you think it means. That is were a commentary comes in very handy.
 
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You're joking, right?

Dan 7:9
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
KJV

Dan 7:13
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before Him.
KJV

Acts 7:55
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
KJV


Heb 1:1-3
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
KJV



The idea that GOD is an unseen force only with no shape or form, is a PAGAN ideology. Pantheism is the false belief that GOD is like a circle with everything contained within it, and that GOD is merely just a spirit nature that is in all things, which is why PAGANS go about hugging trees and rocks and worshiping the creature instead of The Creator (Romans 1).
In several places in the Bible, God is described as having the physical attributes of man. He “sets [his] face” against evil (Leviticus 20:6); the Lord will make “His face” to shine on you (Numbers 6:25); He “stretched out his hand” (Exodus 7:5; Isaiah 23:11), and God scattered enemies with His strong arm (Psalm 89:10). He “stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth” (Psalm 113:6). He “keeps his eye” on the land (Deuteronomy 11:12), the “eyes of the Lord” are on the righteous (Psalm 34:15), and the earth is His “footstool” (Isaiah 66:1). Do all these verses mean that God literally has eyes, a face, hands and feet? Not necessarily. God is spirit, not flesh and blood, but because we are not spirit, these anthropomorphisms help us to understand God’s nature and actions. What is an anthropomorphism? | GotQuestions.org
 
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While Scripture makes anthropological descriptions as you have noted

hands, feet, head, face, (as we also can see among ourselves) -- but also attributes not at all like man -- robes of light, wings, flight, the ability to appear and disapear, etc.

. Still angels are spirit beings without a body.

Not text says "spirit beings without a body" -- that is the old Greek definition of spirit.

they do not have physical bodies,

No matter what the Bible says to the contrary?? interesting choice you just made.

I am going to stick with the Bible on that point.

Two images of Cherubim were placed on the ark of the covenant - at God's direction.
Ex 5:18-20
18 You shall make two cherubim of gold; make them of hammered work at the two ends of the atoning cover. 19 Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the atoning cover at its two ends. 20 And the cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the atoning cover with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the atoning cover.

Satan was the "covering cherub" in heaven according to Ezek 28:

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.

Numbers 22:31
Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the Angel of the Lord standing in the way with His drawn sword in his hand; and he bowed his head and fell flat on his face.

Judges 6
21 Then the Angel of the Lord put out the end of the staff that was in His hand, and touched the meat and the unleavened bread; and fire rose out of the rock and consumed the meat and the unleavened bread. And the Angel of the Lord departed out of his sight.
22 Now Gideon perceived that He was the Angel of the Lord. So Gideon said, “Alas, O Lord God! For I have seen the Angel of the Lord face to face.”

2 Samuel 24:17
Then David spoke to the Lord when he saw the angel who was striking the people, and said, “Surely I have sinned, and I have done wickedly; but these sheep, what have they done? Let Your hand, I pray, be against me and against my father’s house.”


1 Chronicles 21:16
Then David lifted his eyes and saw the angel of the Lord standing between earth and heaven, having in his hand a drawn sword stretched out over Jerusalem. So David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell on their faces.

1 Chronicles 21:20
Now Ornan turned and saw the angel; and his four sons who were with him hid themselves, but Ornan continued threshing wheat.

1 Chron 21:
25 So David gave Ornan six hundred shekels of gold by weight for the place. 26 And David built there an altar to the Lord, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called on the Lord; and He answered him from heaven by fire on the altar of burnt offering.
27 So the Lord commanded the angel, and he returned his sword to its sheath.

Matthew 28:2
And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it.

John 20:12
And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Luke 1:11
Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

Luke 1:19
And the angel answered and said to him, “I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you these glad tidings.

Luke 2:9
And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid.

Acts 12:7
Now behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him, and a light shone in the prison; and he struck Peter on the side and raised him up, saying, “Arise quickly!” And his chains fell off his hands.

Acts 11:13
And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter,

The physical form of angels embroidered --> Cherubim embroidered on the veil of the temple
Ex 26:31
31 “You shall also make a veil of violet, purple, and scarlet material, and fine twisted linen; it shall be made with cherubim, the work of a skilled embroiderer.

The angel who appeared to the shepherds and the angelic multitude who praised God in Luke 2:8-15.
8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid. 10 Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. 11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.”
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God

2 Thessalonians 1:7
and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,


God is Spirit - Christ is God - Christ as God the Son, has a body. Christ could "appear" or disappear according to the gospel accounts after His resurrection.

Angels are described in Ezek 1

Ezekiel 1:5-11.
4 As I looked, behold, a high wind was coming from the north, a great cloud with fire flashing intermittently and a bright light around it, and in its midst something like gleaming metal in the midst of the fire. 5 And within it there were figures resembling four living beings. And this was their appearance: they had human form. 6 Each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf’s hoof, and they sparkled like polished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides were human hands. As for the faces and wings of the four of them, 9 their wings touched one another; their faces did not turn when they moved, each went straight forward. 10 As for the form of their faces, each had a human face; all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out above; each had two touching another being, and two covering their bodies. 12 And each went straight forward; wherever the spirit was about to go, they would go, without turning as they went.

Revelation 10:1
I saw still another mighty angel coming down from heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on his head, his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire.

Revelation 7:11
All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,

Revelation 8:2
And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.

Revelation 8:3
Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.


Revelation 10:8
Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, “Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth.”

Revelation 15:6
And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands.

Revelation 21:17
Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel.

Revelation 22:8
Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.


 
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That is all well and good but you need to know what the true meaning of the Scripture is and not just what you think it means. That is were a commentary comes in very handy.

I leave those who think the way of understanding in God's Word is through men, and not directly from God by The Holy Spirit. A commentary is never... intended to replace understanding in God's Word directly from Scripture. A commentary is only a help, not the main source. Multiple Scripture Witnesses and help by The Holy Spirit is the required method.
 
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