a physical body in heaven?

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Your denial of the resurrection of the body goes clearly against what is written in the Scriptures, so even by your own standard of judgment what you believe is heresy.

-CryptoLutheran

For what you say to be true, then you would have to DISPROVE what the Scriptures say in 2 Corinthians 5:1, in 1 Corinthians 15:42-50, in 1 Corinthians 15:45 & 47 about Christ's resurrection, in 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 1 Peter 4:5-6 about the "spirits in prison" of men in Old Testament times that had died and were in the heavenly prison, in Isaiah 42:7 which is about that event of Christ freeing those "spirits in prison" of 1 Peter 3, and in Matthew 22:30 where Jesus said those of the resurrection "are as the angels of God in heaven".

There's more Scriptures that reveals the difference in the two dimension bodies, but this ought to be enough to keep you real... busy studying The Bible on this matter. If you just want to throw out hot air blame without back up, then no true believer on Christ should even waste their time trying to show you anything.
 
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For what you say to be true, then you would have to DISPROVE what the Scriptures say in 2 Corinthians 5:1, in 1 Corinthians 15:42-50, in 1 Corinthians 15:45 & 47 about Christ's resurrection, in 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 1 Peter 4:5-6 about the "spirits in prison" of men in Old Testament times that had died and were in the heavenly prison, in Isaiah 42:7 which is about that event of Christ freeing those "spirits in prison" of 1 Peter 3, and in Matthew 22:30 where Jesus said those of the resurrection "are as the angels of God in heaven".

There's more Scriptures that reveals the difference in the two dimension bodies, but this ought to be enough to keep you real... busy studying The Bible on this matter. If you just want to throw out hot air blame without back up, then no true believer on Christ should even waste their time trying to show you anything.
Have you ever looked up the Scriptures that you quote in any Bible commentary?
 
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There isn't an absolute need, if we are thinking about the idea of existing without one, but Scripture indicates that we will have glorified bodies. The reason for such non-physical bodies is thought to be because we would not feel complete or "ourselves" without such a form. Philippians 3:20-21
Are we going to feel uncomfortable without a body from death until the Eschaton?
 
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Adam was made in God's image. God gave Adam a body. It seems obvious that the image was of the Lord Jesus. We know that He was with the Father before He came to the earth. When Lord Jesus rose from the dead, he had a body, except it was not flesh and blood. We will be like Him.
Interesting, not flesh and blood? Jesus was incarnate before He came to earth? Maybe I am not understand you correctly.
 
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And The Holy Spirit revealed that to you from God's Word, no man did.

Yet some here do not understand that per God's Word, and are being lied to by hirelings in their pulpits that think the image of man always involves a flesh physical body. They don't understand the image of man originated from the Heavenly with God's Own Image Likeness.

And this is kind of worrisome about those brethren, because one of the warnings about the coming false one for the end of this world per Daniel 11, is that false one is going to be promoting a false god of forces, i.e., a god without form or shape. And that is exactly how many Christian brethren believe about our Heavenly Father, that He has no particular shape or form.

Dan 11:38
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
KJV
Where in Scripture does it say that God has a body or physical form?
 
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1. Christ had a physical resurrected body according to the Gospel accounts
2. 1 John 3:2 says we will be like him at the resurrection
3. 1 Cor 15 says it is two bodies that we are talking about, so also does 2 Cor 5:1-9 affirm it
4. Bodies of Angels are described in the Bible
Bodies of Angels are described in the Bible
Where would that be Angles are spirit beings without form, they can take on physical form as they did when they appeared to man.
 
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Yes, only by revelation can we know anything of the things of God. One of the things I learned early in my Christian life was to ask for the Spirit of wisdom and revelation. I hardly ever hear that preached, yet it is vital for spiritual growth.
Do you believe that special revelation is available to everyone if they pray for it? Is special revelation required to understand Scripture?
 
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Rewards given at the judgment seat of Christ for the redeemed are for the righteous deeds done in the body. The body of the righteous are elementally changed at the rapture of them or at the resurrection of them.. then they have the awards ceremony.
The body of the righteous are glorified with the measures of the Glory promised to come, and the measures differ for each body, according to the acts of righteous redeemed saints.
The saints serve their Glorious Father in those bodies forever, and together, they are the "Temple made without hands" for the Glory to indwell, and to "plant the heavens", thereby.
That is what YHWH created our being for.


The Adam spirit, at conception, builds the flesh body for the soul to dwell in.
The flesh of the Adam spirit is designed by the Creator for the soul to dwell in.
Since the fall of our first father Adam, our flesh is corruptible, and Corruption is an evil spirit that feeds Death, another evil spirit, so as to feed the souls of the dead flesh to Sheol, another evil spirit, where the wicked souls are held in torment until the day appointed for the resurrection of the flesh bodies of the souls, and the wicked unrepentant souls are raised in their own bodies, to stand at the judgement for deeds done in those bodies, and receive rewards according to their deeds.
The wicked flesh of the resurrected is cast into the lake of fire, soul in their own bodies, forever, minus the Adam spirit. Where torments for those deeds will be eternal.

IF our first father, Adam, whose seed we are, had not been cast out and down from Paradise (which is in Eden, in the third heaven, as the Word states), then he and all the seed in his loins (the entire Adam/human being kind) would have eaten from the tree of life and the entire race would be cast, soul in body, into the Lake of Fire, which is the kingdom of darkness, and YHWH'S One plan for our creation of our being as spirit, soul, and body, would have been totally in vain.

Therefore: redemption of the Adam race and the ransom of the kingdom the Creator made for Adam, to be multiplying sons of God for the Glory to indwell, so as to build the Temple not made with hands for the glory to indwell, and to "Plant the Heavens" thereby, was already Planned for the Ransom/Atonement, before He even created us.
He came in a body newly created, with a New Name, and reverse adopted His New Flesh Creation into the Adam race, which He donned as the "Robe of Salvation/Yeshua", and now, the ONE Plan will be done through the REDEEMER/KINSMAN, who is God the Word, the Creator of all things, in His New Man Name, which name is "Israel", not Adam.

That is The Theology of The Word, given to the namesake people of the New Man Name, to rehearse as living oracles until they are all fulfilled.
Adam was to have lived, multiplying the seed, for one millennial day, and then been glorified, but his body would never, ever, ever have died.all the seed of the kind would have forever been born to do the same: multiply a thousand years,
Death of the flesh of the defilled Adam and elemental change of it at the resurrection of it at time of the rapture is necessary to be glorified, as pr original ONE Plan.

The Atonement of the souls of the Adam flesh was planned from the beginning, so that those souls of the Adam spirit could be adopted into the One Living Spirit, the Christ Spirit, and have eternal Life in glory.

So, all creation will be changed, elementally. The One plan will go on forever in the New Man name, heaven is the destiny of the Redeemed, and earth is the centre of the One plan and the New Beginning comes at the beginning of the 8th Millennium.
Then all is restored, but the wicked will be in the Lake of Fire, shut up with the Devil and his angels, and be tormented forever.

There will be no more sin.
what Scriptural evidence do you have for the new concepts you are introducing?
 
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Are we going to feel uncomfortable without a body from death until the Eschaton?
I suppose a theologian would think of our condition there as part way home and then completed at the time referred to.

The entire scenario (physical death, the Tribulation, the Second Coming, Final Judgment, etc.) seems to be one that's developing or unfolding in the direction of the ultimate glory.
 
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50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15

Wisdom! Let us attend!
 
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True, and that's why it is not a flesh body like we have today. Could Christ's disciples understand that when He appeared and disappeared to them? No. His appearing and disappearing suddenly amidst them was written to show us this difference with that other dimension type body. In Matthew 22:30, Jesus said the resurrection is as the angels of God in heaven. So we have those examples to compare that body to. This Apostle Paul did in 1 Cor.15 also.

That’s not a sound exegesis of the text and it clashes with St. Thomas the Apostle physically touching the wounds of our Lord.
 
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Where in Scripture does it say that God has a body or physical form?

Aside from the human nature hypostatically united with God in the person of Jesus Christ, Scripture is clear that God is a spirit, and that God the Father hs never been seen, except as revealed by the Som in the incarnation.

Also, it is always a huge red flag that someone is dealing with a heterodox sect when people use demeaning phrases like “hirelings in their pulpits” to refer to the grossly underpaid clergy of the traditional churches, many of whom don’t even use pulpits (clergy in the Eastern Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, and Syriac Orthodox churches preach from the ambo, and Armenian and Chaldean priests preach from the Bema).
 
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How will we know each other prior to the time we get our new bodies?

With God all things are possible. I don't know if the issue is one of recognition so much as it is one of individual expression. Peter had no problem recognising Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration. (Matt.17:1-4)
 
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Do you believe that special revelation is available to everyone if they pray for it? Is special revelation required to understand Scripture?
Revelation yes, special, no. Lord Jesus said that it was the work of the Holy Spirit to lead us into truth. This He does by revelation. It's nothing spooky or exclusive.

Paul prayed that all believers would receive the Spirit of Wisdom and revelation. I asked for that and received it. Some people with particular gifts receive more revelation. That's what the gift of prophecy is about. Until Lord Jesus returns, revelation will still be essential for spiritual growth.
 
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With God all things are possible. I don't know if the issue is one of recognition so much as it is one of individual expression. Peter had no problem recognising Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration. (Matt.17:1-4)
Now that is an interesting point, Peter could not have know what they looked like so how did he recognize them? Jesus must have introduced them.
 
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Revelation yes, special, no. Lord Jesus said that it was the work of the Holy Spirit to lead us into truth. This He does by revelation. It's nothing spooky or exclusive.

Paul prayed that all believers would receive the Spirit of Wisdom and revelation. I asked for that and received it. Some people with particular gifts receive more revelation. That's what the gift of prophecy is about. Until Lord Jesus returns, revelation will still be essential for spiritual growth.
How do you validate that your understanding of Scripture is from the Holy Spirit and not your own understanding? To be more clear, how do you know when the thought pops into your head that it came from the Holy Spirit and not your subconscious mind?
 
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