Republicans need another candidate for POTUS in 2024

Goonie · Mar 11, 2021

TheBear said:
So, we're agreed that the 2016 election results were legitimate, or was that different?

Tell me how many court cases did the democrats bring 2016? At what time did Hillary Clinton concede?

Yttrium · Mar 11, 2021

TheBear said:
So, we're agreed that the 2016 election results were legitimate, or was that different?

Albion slaps a "winner" on that like you made some kind of point. I'm not seeing it. Of course the 2016 election was legitimate, as was the 2020 election.

Albion · Mar 11, 2021

Goonie said:
Tell me how many court cases did the democrats bring 2016? At what time did Hillary Clinton concede?

Hillary has still not conceded.

And there were indeed suits brought, although I don't remember the number. Here's one interesting one: The Democratic National Committee filed suit against the Russian government and the Trump campaign, alleging a conspiracy working to give the election to Trump.

Also, there were many threats served up to members of the Electoral College in hopes of frightening them into not voting for the candidate they had been elected to support.

Goonie · Mar 11, 2021

Albion said:
Hillary has still not conceded.

And there were suits brought, although I don't remember the number.

Also, there were many threats served up to members of the Electoral College in hopes of frightening them into not voting for the candidate they had been elected to support.

As you are wholly aware when you deliberately and knowingly broke the ninth commandment on a Christian website. Hillary conceded on the night of the election in a phone call to Trump, and publicly in a speech on the 9th Nov.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...GMAF6BAgCEAY&usg=AOvVaw1kHLNNFyq_JeOQy4mwdKiq

Albion · Mar 11, 2021

Goonie said:
Hillary conceded on the night of the election in a phone call to Trump, and publicly in a speech on the 9th Nov.

But she took back that concession, just as Al Gore did in 2000. Her organization financed recounts in three states, for goodness's sake! That's not conceding.

Thereafter, Hillary frequently said in public, and over the course of years, that Trump did not win, that he was "illegitimate," that the election wasn't fair, and more in that vein.

Tiberius Lee · Mar 11, 2021

Jeffwhosoever said:
I cannot believe so many people still support Donald J. Trump. I know conservatives like his policy, but the man is wicked IMHO. His actions speak much louder than his words, and he would have us in civil war if he had his way. I voted for the independent this election because I cannot accept the policies of Biden and I cannot accept the "lack of a moral compass" as General and former Chief of Staff Maddox described Trump.

As a life long conservative and registered Independent I didn’t find a single policy of Trump reflects conservative idea. Trump’s “America first” policy is the most dangerous policy for America.

If Trump's policy was 100% aligned with my view of conservatism, I still could not support him because of his character. As far as I am concern he doesn’t even represent basic human decency.

I don’t agree with all of the Biden policy but he is a decent human.

TheBear · Mar 11, 2021

Yttrium said:
Albion slaps a "winner" on that like you made some kind of point. I'm not seeing it.

Most rational people can clearly see my point.

Of course the 2016 election was legitimate.....

Shhhh! Don't say that! With all those high profile leftists, (especially those on Twitter and the like), who've been saying for years that Trump's presidency was illegitimate, you just might find yourself CANCELED.

Albion · Mar 11, 2021

Tiberius Lee said:
As a life long conservative and registered Independent I didn’t find a single policy of Trump reflects conservative idea.

--Bringing troops home and not starting new wars.

--Getting a tax cut passed in Congress for the Middle Class and, also, simplifying tax returns.

--Supporting the right of Israel to exist in peace. Arranged four peace treaties with Arab states.

--Stopping Russian invasion of Ukraine by sending supplies to the Ukrainian government.

--Nominating three conservative justices to the Supreme Court.

There are, in fact, dozens of accomplishments that are in accord with conservative values.

Albion · Mar 11, 2021

Yttrium said:
Albion slaps a "winner" on that like you made some kind of point. I'm not seeing it..

Then that would be a shortcoming on your end, wouldn't it? Even with the "winner" emblem as a hint!

Yttrium · Mar 11, 2021

TheBear said:
Most rational people can clearly see my point.

Shhhh! Don't say that! With all those high profile leftists, (especially those on Twitter and the like), who've been saying for years that Trump's presidency was illegitimate, you just might find yourself CANCELED.

Albion said:
Then that would be a shortcoming on your end, wouldn't it? Even with the "winner" emblem as a hint!

The question was whether we're agreed that the 2016 election was legitimate. Have you seen anyone around here lately saying that the 2016 election was illegitimate? If so, I'd like to have words with them.

Albion · Mar 11, 2021

Yttrium said:
The question was whether we're agreed that the 2016 election was legitimate. Have you seen anyone around here lately saying that the 2016 election was illegitimate? If so, I'd like to have words with them.

See posts 43 and 45.

TheBear · Mar 11, 2021

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Vylo · Mar 11, 2021

TheBear said:
So, we're agreed that the 2016 election results were legitimate, or was that different?

They were, that was agreed upon long ago.

SarahsKnight · Mar 12, 2021

Jeffwhosoever said:
6) Worst, he clearly incited the attack on the US Capital, which led to deaths and an assault on the United States itself. He wasn't alone, but I watched the crowd depart from his speech and go directly to the Capital to start its assault.

7) He has the Secret Service fire tear gas at demonstrators to clear his path to go to the church, to do a photo shoot of holding up a Bible, and didn't even go inside to "pretend" to do more than a photoshoot.

I would have thought at least one of these two grievous offenses on Trump's part would have snapped his supporters back to reality and out of their cult-like trance, especially his Christian supporters who claimed to care so much about Godly morality within our government and all, but ... sadly, it didn't seem to work on some.

Holding up a Bible for the public to see you, deliberately invoking the name of the Lord in any way in the immediate wake of a violent act - no matter who it is you just had attacked or hurt in any way, criminal or innocent - is absolutely obscene in my eyes.

Albion · Mar 12, 2021

I never know whether to laugh or cringe when I hear the now-familiar griping about Christians actually voting for Trump when what the opposition offered and continues to offer is much less favorable to the churches, to Christians generally, and to freedom of religion.

Yes, we can judge how important religion or a church affiliation is to President Trump. But if so, we must also judge the same with Biden.

There is no way on Earth that Biden offers anybody who votes with religion in mind something that's better than he already was getting. Indeed, it's worse.

durangodawood · Mar 12, 2021

Albion said:
--Bringing troops home and not starting new wars....

We agree again! Except its not a "special" achievement.

US election 2020: Has Trump kept his promises on the military?

Nithavela · Mar 12, 2021

The only ways Trump will not be the republican candidate in 2024 I can see are:

Sickness or death
Him being imprisoned

That's pretty much it. I wanted to add "an extreme scandal", but couldn't think of anything more extreme than what he did the last four years, and we all know his fans not only gave him a pass for that, but actively admire him for it.

Albion · Mar 12, 2021

The statement which prompted my reply, however, was this one --

I didn’t find a single policy of Trump reflects conservative idea.

Click to expand...

Your chart makes clear that he did accomplish a reduction in forces overseas (and that the totals were on the way up when he came into office). So we conclude that (1) this is indeed a conservative idea or policy and (2) he was in accord with it.

chevyontheriver · Mar 12, 2021

Albion said:
I never know whether to laugh or cringe when I hear the now-familiar griping about Christians actually voting for Trump when what the opposition offered and continues to offer is much less favorable to the churches, to Christians generally, and to freedom of religion.

Yes, we can judge how important religion or a church affiliation is to President Trump. But if so, we must also judge the same with Biden.

There is no way on Earth that Biden offers anybody who votes with religion in mind something that's better than he already was getting. Indeed, it's worse.

He offers freedom of worship but not freedom of religion. Big difference there. Biden offers feel good piety without content. His piety is of the McCarrick sort, where it looks good and sounds good from a distance (think Equality Act - who could possibly be against equality), and they're either stabbing you in the back (China policy - both of them big players there) or doing some weird sexual thing (smelling hair or ... sleeping with seminarians).

Cardinal McCarrick named to Biden Harris transition team - NPC Daily

The above is, at least I hope it is, parody. But the real connections, past meetings, and friendship between the two are coming to the surface.

iluvatar5150 · Mar 12, 2021

Vylo said:
I'm trying to think of a republican candidate that can appeal across the aisle. Pragmatically, the GOP will want to look at politicians from 3 states: Texas, Florida, and Georgia. As these are swingy states they need to hold. Problem is, most of their worst candidates come from these states.

Cruz, Desantis, Noem are all dead in the water. They will never get enough votes without insane levels of voter suppression. Basically anyone who hugged Trump close, will not only fail to get votes, but will face massive opposition. You could run a ham sandwich against a Trumpy politician and win if it had the right flavor of mustard.

Romney is too much of a chameleon.

I think Chris Christie still has something of a long shot, as he might actually carry NJ. After our string of frankly awful governors, both he and Murphy have been pretty good when graded on that curve.

MD governor Larry Hogan might stand a chance of threading that needle. He's a reasonably popular businessman-turned-Republican-governor of a blue state with both a large poor black population and a large affluent white population who's done well managing MD's covid response. The far left won't like him because he's been somewhat dismissive of public transit and Baltimore City and the far right won't like him because he's an open NeverTrumper, but there's a lot there for the folks in the middle to latch onto.

He's not very charismatic, though, so that may hurt him.

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