Republicans need another candidate for POTUS in 2024
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Yes, Trump won by winning the primary states. He lost the caucus states big time. I was in one of the latter states and at the state convention as a mid-level hack. We didn't want Trump, but the media wouldn't stop talking him up. It was like he could do no evil. That is until it was too late. Then it became all bad man all the time.
Some of those primaries were open contests where anybody could walk in and pick a party on primary day. So there could have been some crossover voting. But mostly it was media influence that got him the nomination. And I think Hillary engineered that. I think she was afraid she couldn't beat Rubio or Cruz or one of the more normal people running. I think she would have lost badly to Carly Fiorina for example. I think she manipulated to get the person she wanted to run against. And then invented the Russia thing to sink him. But it was a little too late and too little. She was such a bad candidate she lost against her dream opponent.
I'm reminded of the picture of Bill and Hillary and Donald and Melania yucking it up. But somewhere along the way Donald and Hillary really went to war.
Who should the Republicans run in 2024? I have no idea. I spent the last four years in exile from the Republican Party. Not sure if it's safe to go back. Not sure I want to. Not sure they'd have me even if I did. Not sure they are even viable any longer.
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It will be interesting in 2024 to see Donald Trump running for President from Sing Sing. Which will be his residence when the state of New York convicts him for fraudulent business and financial dealings. That is, if he survives sharing a cell with former Gov. Andrew Cuomo. After his conviction for sexual misconduct. These 2 deserve each other. If there’s any justice in the universe, they’ll beat each other senseless. Which will spare the citizens of NY the cost of their confinement. And spare the rest of us any of their further political ambitions.
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It's not going to matter unless the Constitution is upheld and people in the swing states in particular get pro-active. We need to get back to voting in person except for legitimate health reasons. There needs to be overhead cameras of the counting process and the recordings need to be made public. Only U.S. citizens should be allowed to vote. Observers must sign in and sign out. There should be mandatory jail time for anyone who prevents observation.
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A moral president would not do many things Trump did. I cannot vote for such an immoral person, regardless of how much "good" he did for the conservative party. I'll give you an example of what I cannot tolerate:
1) Openly lied about COVID-19 on tape as we heard from Bob Woodward. He told Bob that COVID was "airborne" and very deadly, much more so than the flu, then turned right around and told the US public that it was nothing worse than the flu and would be gone by Easter. He did manage to launch the drive to get a vaccine which I credit him for doing, but he so mismanaged the rest of the process to the point where many of his supporters are left thinking the vaccines have 666 encoded in them or are otherwise somehow poisonous, and Trump made wearing facemasks into a political statement of support for Biden and against him. He said he did all this to avoid panic, as if we are too emotional or stupid to decide what to do when presented with the truth.
2) He claimed he would make Mexico pay for the wall, he would jail Hillary (Lock her up, Lock her up), and would drain the swamp. None of those campaign promises came thru, and nothing really was even attempted.
3) He insulted John McCain and all veterans, he constantly insulted women (from his "locker room banger" of grabbing a women by her privates), even said he could shoot a person and his supporters woud still love him.
4) He surrounded himself with yes men, and ran off everyone with integrity and the conviction to disagree with him. Not immoral per se, but a clear lack of leadership skills.
5) He constantly lied about election fraud, proven when his three Supreme court appointees all refused to hear his case before the court, along with every other court in the land tossing out his claims, and his attempting to bully election officials and his own Vice President into changing the results.
6) Worst, he clearly incited the attack on the US Capital, which led to deaths and an assault on the United States itself. He wasn't alone, but I watched the crowd depart from his speech and go directly to the Capital to start its assault.
7) He has the Secret Service fire tear gas at demonstrators to clear his path to go to the church, to do a photo shoot of holding up a Bible, and didn't even go inside to "pretend" to do more than a photoshoot.
In addition to immoral, he is incompetent, having never held any public office in his entire life. Being a CEO of a company build on casinos and liquor sales and other fiascos is not qualification for hte office of President of the United States, but beyond that, he is immoral and unethical. He even got secret service protection for former cabinet members and his kids for indefinite periods of time at taxpayer expense, a breech in protocol and a riduculous misuse of power.
1) Openly lied about COVID-19 on tape as we heard from Bob Woodward. He told Bob that COVID was "airborne" and very deadly, much more so than the flu, then turned right around and told the US public that it was nothing worse than the flu and would be gone by Easter. He did manage to launch the drive to get a vaccine which I credit him for doing, but he so mismanaged the rest of the process to the point where many of his supporters are left thinking the vaccines have 666 encoded in them or are otherwise somehow poisonous, and Trump made wearing facemasks into a political statement of support for Biden and against him. He said he did all this to avoid panic, as if we are too emotional or stupid to decide what to do when presented with the truth.
2) He claimed he would make Mexico pay for the wall, he would jail Hillary (Lock her up, Lock her up), and would drain the swamp. None of those campaign promises came thru, and nothing really was even attempted.
3) He insulted John McCain and all veterans, he constantly insulted women (from his "locker room banger" of grabbing a women by her privates), even said he could shoot a person and his supporters woud still love him.
4) He surrounded himself with yes men, and ran off everyone with integrity and the conviction to disagree with him. Not immoral per se, but a clear lack of leadership skills.
5) He constantly lied about election fraud, proven when his three Supreme court appointees all refused to hear his case before the court, along with every other court in the land tossing out his claims, and his attempting to bully election officials and his own Vice President into changing the results.
6) Worst, he clearly incited the attack on the US Capital, which led to deaths and an assault on the United States itself. He wasn't alone, but I watched the crowd depart from his speech and go directly to the Capital to start its assault.
7) He has the Secret Service fire tear gas at demonstrators to clear his path to go to the church, to do a photo shoot of holding up a Bible, and didn't even go inside to "pretend" to do more than a photoshoot.
In addition to immoral, he is incompetent, having never held any public office in his entire life. Being a CEO of a company build on casinos and liquor sales and other fiascos is not qualification for hte office of President of the United States, but beyond that, he is immoral and unethical. He even got secret service protection for former cabinet members and his kids for indefinite periods of time at taxpayer expense, a breech in protocol and a riduculous misuse of power.
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I could go on a lot longer but I thought 7 points was enough to establish his lack of a moral compass, two of his former senior staff called him (John Bolton and General Maddox). When your own family (his niece) and your own direct reports say such things about you, and you see actions consistent with what they observed, its really hard to think they are wrong.
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"Legitimate health reasons" do postal voting during a pandemic is obviously legitimate then, glad we agree.
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You'd think what you've referred to--or most of it at least--would be something no American could deny.
But of course, no state legislature that is controlled by the party that benefitted from sloppy and fraud-prone vote counting procedures such as those instituted just before the 2020 election will ever want to backtrack on them
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Those legislatures, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, etc. were republican.
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That's not really an accurate assessment of the situation. All of them were Republican in the past, but even so, they all have Democrats in political positions of power capable of facilitating what I was referring to--the Governor, inner-city counting boards, the state Attorney General, Democratic-appointed judges, etc. That's independent of how the votes fell, statewide, this past November.
The problem being discussed was not just about the several states that were most in the news recently because of charges of vote irregularities. There are a number of other states in which the same questionable changes in the electoral system were instituted and which are part of the question.
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And they all have republicans in positions of power well able to the same for their side. Oh but wait a minute republicans never coomit voter fraud....
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I'm trying to think of a republican candidate that can appeal across the aisle. Pragmatically, the GOP will want to look at politicians from 3 states: Texas, Florida, and Georgia. As these are swingy states they need to hold. Problem is, most of their worst candidates come from these states.
Cruz, Desantis, Noem are all dead in the water. They will never get enough votes without insane levels of voter suppression. Basically anyone who hugged Trump close, will not only fail to get votes, but will face massive opposition. You could run a ham sandwich against a Trumpy politician and win if it had the right flavor of mustard.
Romney is too much of a chameleon.
I think Chris Christie still has something of a long shot, as he might actually carry NJ. After our string of frankly awful governors, both he and Murphy have been pretty good when graded on that curve.
Cruz, Desantis, Noem are all dead in the water. They will never get enough votes without insane levels of voter suppression. Basically anyone who hugged Trump close, will not only fail to get votes, but will face massive opposition. You could run a ham sandwich against a Trumpy politician and win if it had the right flavor of mustard.
Romney is too much of a chameleon.
I think Chris Christie still has something of a long shot, as he might actually carry NJ. After our string of frankly awful governors, both he and Murphy have been pretty good when graded on that curve.
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There's probably nothing more to say if you don't understand that the issue, both of the changes made last year and efforts to reverse some of that, concerns a number of different states, not just the several that were cliffhangers last November.
OR that if some elected officials are Republicans and others are Democrats--which is how it is in almost every state--that it only takes the right ones to able to make these changes we're talking about. That was proven last year also.
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It's often not the states, but the counties. And with big cities the cities and counties are almost the same, with a different set of politically aligned bureaucrats at each level. States can have SOME influence on counties, but many populous counties are controlled by Democratic Party machines. Cook County in Illinois is but one prominent example.
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As I recall, almost all the court case involved WI, MI, PA, GA. AZ and NV, the states that Trump insists that he won.
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