Democrats Prove They Don't Really Care

Aldebaran · Mar 10, 2021

rambot said:
Do you recognize how tone deaf is to the people in America who were suffering?

63% of those who need it in YOUR party.

Not according to that poll chart in post 297.

rambot · Mar 10, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Not according to that poll chart in post 297.

Post 297 is the public not the republican legislators.
They are not representing the will of their electors.

You have just slammed my point down harder than I could.

I bid you adieu.

Aldebaran · Mar 10, 2021

rambot said:
Post 297 is the public not the republican legislators.
They are not representing the will of their electors.

You have just slammed my point down harder than I could.

I bid you adieu.

That chart says it's a poll. It also indicates over 50% support from Republicans. However, that was not how the vote went.

KCfromNC · Mar 11, 2021

Aldebaran said:
If it only affects a small number of people, why do you care?

Yeah! Most people don't kill other people, why bother having laws against murder that only affect a small number of people.

NxNW · Mar 11, 2021

Erik Nelson said:
In the Private sector, the minimum wage eliminates millions of job

There is no evidence to support this statement.

essentialsaltes · Mar 11, 2021

Aldebaran said:
People supporting getting a $1,400 check in the mail being supported by democrats. Is that supposed to be surprising?

What's surprising is Republican elected officials going on record with their votes against the wishes of a majority of not just their constituents, but their own party members.

rambot · Mar 11, 2021

Aldebaran said:
That chart says it's a poll. It also indicates over 50% support from Republicans. However, that was not how the vote went.

Youre right.

And yet 0 Republicans voted for it in the house while 60% of poor Republican citizens wanted (and needed) it.

How are Republican candidates addressing their needs

VladTheEmailer · Mar 11, 2021

rambot said:
Youre right.

And yet 0 Republicans voted for it in the house while 60% of poor Republican citizens wanted (and needed) it.

How are Republican candidates addressing their needs

The only reason this Bill had that much support is because of the stimulus checks. No matter what else it had in it, people would still support it.

Are you going to claim that if this only about $1400 checks for everyone that, all of the Republicans would have voted against it?

Ringo84 · Mar 11, 2021

VladTheEmailer said:
The only reason this Bill had that much support is because of the stimulus checks. No matter what else it had in it, people would still support it.

Are you going to claim that if this only about $1400 checks for everyone that, all of the Republicans would have voted against it?

Republicans would have voted for it regardless of what was or wasn't in the bill, because they don't care about governing or the people they're supposed to represent. They care about power.
Ringo

VladTheEmailer · Mar 11, 2021

Ringo84 said:
Republicans would have voted for it regardless of what was or wasn't in the bill, because they don't care about governing or the people they're supposed to represent. They care about power.
Ringo

That goes for both sides. I could take your argument seriously if they ever had a chance of stopping this from passing. The only thing they could do was vote against it, as a form of protest.

Even if this bill banned abortion and guns it would have still had bipartisan support.

Ringo84 · Mar 11, 2021

VladTheEmailer said:
That goes for both sides. I could take your argument seriously if they ever had a chance of stopping this from passing. The only thing they could do was vote against it, as a form of protest.

Even if this bill banned abortion and guns it would have still had bipartisan support.

As it should, since it helped actual Americans and not the 1% or .1%.
Ringo

rambot · Mar 11, 2021

VladTheEmailer said:
The only reason this Bill had that much support is because of the stimulus checks. No matter what else it had in it, people would still support it.

I ALMOST don't want to tell you all the GREAT things that are in this bill to help families because you think there is ONLY stimulus cheques in there for them.

Are you going to claim that if this only about $1400 checks for everyone that, all of the Republicans would have voted against it?

Assuming your talking about politicians when you say "Republicans".... I don't need to claim anything.

There is 1400$ cheques for every family.
There is a lengthening of jobless benefits
There is a "child tax benefit" type of thing. A $300/month/kid support for families.

The Republicans didn't want you or ANY workers or families to get that money. They did NOT vote for this support. They did NOT want families to receive this money. They said they want to "protect and help American families" but their actions do not match their words. 0 Republicans wanted to help.

Democrats were DESPERATE to find ways to help Americans when Trump was in charge and so they were willing to vote on a plan they didn't always agree with JUST to get that help. The party of children, just voted ALL against it because ideology>compassion. It's telling and, if you want your government to help YOU, it should be disconcerting (unless, of course, you also believe in ideology over compassion)

Meanwhile, how did Trump's Stimulus packages help the average worker COMPARED to how they helped the richest 10%? The assumption was "tax breaks for the rich and jobs from that". Arguably, that plan did not provide as much support to people as this plan will as it targets them very directly.

rambot · Mar 11, 2021

VladTheEmailer said:
That goes for both sides. I could take your argument seriously if they ever had a chance of stopping this from passing. The only thing they could do was vote against it, as a form of protest.

Even if this bill banned abortion and guns it would have still had bipartisan support.

Well, and I know how ABSOLUTELY INSANE this would be to considered, they COULD vote in the best interest of the people they represent....

Man....what a strange thing that would be for Republicans.

Ringo84 · Mar 11, 2021

Oh, they're voting in the best interest of the people they represent: the billionaire class that are, at best, apathetic and at worst, hostile to the idea of helping average people.

That's the sad truth: Republicans are a wholly-owned subsidiary of corporate interests. They are doing constituent service when they vote against these popular measures.
Ringo

essentialsaltes · Mar 11, 2021

Ringo84 said:
Oh, they're voting in the best interest of the people they represent: the billionaire class that are, at best, apathetic and at worst, hostile to the idea of helping average people.

Like the GOP effort to eliminate the estate tax, which only affects multimillionaires.

Aldebaran said:
If it only affects a small number of people, why do you care?

If it only affects a small number of people, why does the GOP care so much? Oh, right, it's what a small number of billionaires want.

ViaCrucis · Mar 11, 2021

Aldebaran said:
You're advocating for better wages, but at the same time you advocate for people having to pay more for things. Kind of defeats the purpose.

You are paid 10 coins every week, a day's worth of food costs 2 coins.
You are now paid 21 coins every week, but a day's worth of food also goes up to 3 coins.

Yes, the price of food went up, but 3/21 is a lot better than 2/10. That's being able to eat 7 days a week rather than only being able to eat 5 days a week.

Yeah, prices go up--but increased wages means people can actually afford those prices.

Giving people a living wage means they are actually able to afford to live. Which was the whole point of the Minimum Wage in the first place.

If one's argument boils down to, "Some people have to starve in order for me to pay less money for things" then they have already lost the argument.

If our economic model is just Social Darwinism, then it's a bad economic model.

-CryptoLutheran

VladTheEmailer · Mar 11, 2021

Ringo84 said:
As it should, since it helped actual Americans and not the 1% or .1%.
Ringo

How long do you think it will take before the majority of this money is in their pockets?

Erik Nelson · Mar 11, 2021

NxNW said:
There is no evidence to support this statement.

There's a minimum wage
There's 20 million unemployed American workers
There's 20 million illegal aliens working sub-minimum wage jobs

QED

Erik Nelson · Mar 11, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
You are paid 10 coins every week, a day's worth of food costs 2 coins.
You are now paid 21 coins every week, but a day's worth of food also goes up to 3 coins.

Yes, the price of food went up, but 3/21 is a lot better than 2/10. That's being able to eat 7 days a week rather than only being able to eat 5 days a week.

Yeah, prices go up--but increased wages means people can actually afford those prices.

Giving people a living wage means they are actually able to afford to live. Which was the whole point of the Minimum Wage in the first place.

If one's argument boils down to, "Some people have to starve in order for me to pay less money for things" then they have already lost the argument.

If our economic model is just Social Darwinism, then it's a bad economic model.

-CryptoLutheran

Minimum wage criminalizes jobs which are then given over to illegal aliens

If the illegal immigrants weren't doing those 20 million jobs, 20 million Americans would be able to fill them

That is the whole end-of-day effect of the minimum wage (whatever anyone claims they think its purpose "was")

VladTheEmailer · Mar 11, 2021

rambot said:
I ALMOST don't want to tell you all the GREAT things that are in this bill to help families because you think there is ONLY stimulus cheques in there for them.

Assuming your talking about politicians when you say "Republicans".... I don't need to claim anything.

There is 1400$ cheques for every family.
There is a lengthening of jobless benefits
There is a "child tax benefit" type of thing. A $300/month/kid support for families.

The Republicans didn't want you or ANY workers or families to get that money. They did NOT vote for this support. They did NOT want families to receive this money. They said they want to "protect and help American families" but their actions do not match their words. 0 Republicans wanted to help.

Democrats were DESPERATE to find ways to help Americans when Trump was in charge and so they were willing to vote on a plan they didn't always agree with JUST to get that help. The party of children, just voted ALL against it because ideology>compassion. It's telling and, if you want your government to help YOU, it should be disconcerting (unless, of course, you also believe in ideology over compassion)

Meanwhile, how did Trump's Stimulus packages help the average worker COMPARED to how they helped the richest 10%? The assumption was "tax breaks for the rich and jobs from that". Arguably, that plan did not provide as much support to people as this plan will as it targets them very directly.

We can do what needs to be done and spend less money. Direct aid to those TRUELY in need is great and I'm all for that. What someone wants isn't always what they need nor, is it in always their best interest to get it.

IMHO, Ideology is stupid and too much compassion clouds sound judgement.

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