“Time, Times and a Half Time” is Not 3 1/2 Years

BobRyan said:

1. Each Bible timeline is contiguous - so then Dan 9 has a 70 week contiguous timeline using day for year method of interpretation.
2. all Apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year.

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Bob, the abomination of desolation triggers the great tribulation (Matthew 24:15-20). Which in Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation is associated with 1290 days and 1335 days.

Are you claiming that that the great tribulation is 1290-1335 years long?

Douggg said:

Bob, the abomination of desolation triggers the great tribulation (Matthew 24:15-20). Which in Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation is associated with 1290 days and 1335 days.

Are you claiming that that the great tribulation is 1290-1335 years long?

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The 1260 years of dark ages was future to Christ's day.
There was also the destruction of Jerusalem - future to Christ's day.

There was an abomination of desolation "sign" given just before Jerusalem was destroyed. And thus all the Christians were spared from it.

The 1290 and 1335 are all tied to the 1260 according to Daniel 12



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BobRyan said:

The coming of Christ is the focus of the prophecy in Daniel 9 - and "God so loved the World" that He gave... not just "God so loved the Jews that He gave".

But it also dealt with probation for the Jewish nation "Behold your house is left to you desolate" is the warning Christ gives in Matt 23.

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If you look at Jer 30 and 31 and read both chapters together you see the chapters are tied together. In chapter 30 you will see the idea of the time of Jacob's trouble being introduced and he is saved out of it. Chapter 31 starts with at that same time which is speaking of Jacob's trouble and works its way to the promised of the new covenant beginning in verse 31.

Jesus certainly instituted the new covenant and plainly said so and as you noted there are many places where this 2nd destruction and diaspora is anticipated. The stone rejected by the builders is the chief stone of the corner. So the LORD knew the onset of the new covenant when Jesus came would bring destruction and a diaspora lasting over 1800 years for Israel. So stop and consider why the LORD would put in order immediately after the promise of the new covenant a promise that Israel will not cease to be a nation in God's eyes and that God would not cast off the seed of Israel for all they have done?

The placement here is followed by another promise that is the bookend back to Jacob's trouble.
38 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, that the city shall be built for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The surveyor’s line shall again extend straight forward over the hill Gareb; then it shall turn toward Goath. 40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down anymore forever.”

Now note the dead bodies are all around and the city will be rebuilt and never torn down again and it is now Holy.

I have shown the promise in Luke 1 Jesus delivers Israel and keeps the oaths to the Fathers and here at teh 2nd coming aka Jacobs trouble we see that same deliverance and indeed holy and never thrown down again. This is Daniel 9 noting that for Daniels people and the Holy city. Everlasting rigteousness comes when Satan is bound and Jesus takes the thrown of David and rules forever. This is Zech 14 the LORD is king over all the earth the nations left must now come worship the king and keep the feast of tabernacles after the LORD slays the invaders and indeed Jerusalem will need to be rebuilt. It is Isaiah 9 the child given takes the government upon his shoulders and the increase of his government has no end and it is established with Judgment and justice from that time forever. This is Isaiah 61 the day of vengeance brings in a glorious change to Zion and the whole chapter details it.

This is Hosea 1-3 those who were called not my people shall be called sons of the living God for great is the day of Jezreel (this is another name for the valley of Megiddo)

This is Ezekiel 36 3 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Because they say to you, ‘You devour men and bereave your nation of children,’ 14 therefore you shall devour men no more, nor bereave your nation anymore,” says the Lord GOD. 15 “Nor will I let you hear the taunts of the nations anymore, nor bear the reproach of the peoples anymore, nor shall you cause your nation to stumble anymore,” says the Lord GOD.’ ”

And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the LORD,” says the Lord GOD, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations.



This is just a short list of passages that all tell of the glorious future coming and if the plan sense makes sense why seek another sense? The world is setting up right now for a one world government that is opposed to everything the Bible stands for and the worlds religions are merging not into a single faith but a Masonic type idea that all paths lead to the same place. At any rate I can see the signs and they match up with my literalist expectations. Things are moving fast and like birthpangs i do not expect much of a lull but an acceleration towards these sequential events transpiring.

Brian Mcnamee said:

If you look at Jer 30 and 31 and read both chapters together you see the chapters are tied together. In chapter 30 you will see the idea of the time of Jacob's trouble being introduced and he is saved out of it.

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Jacob was saved out of the time of Jacob's trouble by being protected by God and strengthened to endure it.

The dark ages where more than 50 million Christians killed - is another great example of great tribulation lasting for centuries - killing millions - and the saints were comforted by God's being with them in great tribulation.

Brian Mcnamee said:

Jesus certainly instituted the new covenant and plainly said so

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The New Covenant is found in Jer 31:31-34 and is the covenant by which Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory in Matt 17. Christ never said "instituted" - rather the sacrifice of the covenant was the blood of Christ - "slain from the foundations of the world" Rev 13:8

Dan 9 predicts the limit for Israel to either accept or reject the Messiah as 490 years where that clock began ticking in 457 B.C. and takes them to the coming of the Messiah and then eventually the stoning of Stephen.

The 490 years were not one single time period. Daniel even splits it into 3 groups. 7, 62, and 1. 49 years from Darius to the rebuilding. 434 years Jerusalem lasted until the time of Christ. Christ obedient to God as the Lamb from His baptism to the Ascension was about 3.5 years. The Lamb still has 3.5 years left, because Christ is the reason Jacob is considered troubled.

The first coming took away the OT economy, and was split into two parts to allow for the fulness of the Gentiles to be complete. Only God knows when or even the length of the last 3.5 years, because God will shorten the time.

Even though John told us in the 6th Seal the specific detail of Christ's own return given by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse, the whole Gentile church has missed God's plan entirely, or so it seems. The voices of reason were all the martyred who were suppressed in being allowed to proclaim the truth of God's Word. So was their message evidently.

The 70 years of Jeremiah was the fixed time of the Babylonian captivity before Darius decreed it was over. Then 49 years to gather the materials and bring many back to Jerusalem. It still did not get going until Artaxerxis had to reconfirm the decree of Darius. Then there was 434 years with the Temple not even being used sometimes and even the abomination of Antiochus happened during that time. It was not a continually glorious Temple epoch of time. It was just normal life for a normal 434 years. With all the pitfalls of in use and out of use like the time of the kings, just without kings.

God did not even seem to hold them to keeping the Sabbath, which sent them into captivity for 70 years to begin with. We know they were not totally forsaken, but neither should this 490 years be something of a solid heroic event that needed to come to pass. 490 years would be the length of longsuffering. The last 7 would be even longer longsuffering. It would divide Jacob's trouble with thousands of years, not just hundreds. The time, times, and half of times is the proof, they would wait, but no one during the first 500 years would get the gist of time being 1000 years. Otherwise all in the first century would have understood the Second Coming would be almost 2000 years later, the times. We still have one more time of 1,000 years left, and a majority of the church still rejects what time, times, and half a time stands for.

BobRyan said:

The 1260 years of dark ages was future to Christ's day.
There was also the destruction of Jerusalem - future to Christ's day.

There was an abomination of desolation "sign" given just before Jerusalem was destroyed. And thus all the Christians were spared from it.

The 1290 and 1335 are all tied to the 1260 according to Daniel 12

7 And I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish smashing the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed. 8 But as for me, I heard but did not understand; so I said, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?” 9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words will be kept secret and sealed up until the end time. 10 Many will be purged, cleansed, and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand. 11 And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who is patient and attains to the 1,335 days! 13 But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will rest and rise for your allotted portion at the end of the age.”​

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Bob, as I am reading the bottom chart, it indicates that the great tribulation ended in 1843/44.

I don't see the rationale given that the generation (parable of the fig tree) which experiences the great tribulation will not pass without witnessing Jesus's physical return to this earth (which the Mt. of Olives will be split in half as well.

Douggg said:

Information duly noted. When someone can provide the reformers timeline of events for the time frame expressions for the end times as found in the bible - using the day is a year principle - let me know, and please post it. Perhaps in another thread.

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As far as I can tell, that can't be provided because it doesn't exist. While the day-is-a-year idea in regards to Daniel 7:25, 8:14, and 12:11-12 was a very popular viewpoint among the Reformers (though apparently not at the very beginning of the Reformation--I don't think Luther, Calvin, or Zwingli used it), there was little unanimity in regards to an actual timeline among those who believed in it.

Douggg said:

Bob, as I am reading the bottom chart, it indicates that the great tribulation ended in 1843/44.

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It looks like it shows the Dan 12:7, Dan 7, Rev 11 and Rev 13;5 trib to end in 1798 -- to me





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The question: that was asked

Matthew 24
1 Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.
2 And He said to them, ""Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.''
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, ""Tell us,
1. when will these things happen,
2. and what will be the sign of Your coming,
3. and of the end of the age?''

1. We know Jerusalem would be destroyed in 70 A.D. and the sign given by Christ in Matt 24 was used to spare believers from the destruction of Jerusalem
2. We also know of many many centuries of Dark Ages persecution of the saints. A many centuries long persecution never to be repeated in terms of length of time for persecution.
3. We know that there is coming a much shorter and more devastating tribulation just before the 2nd coming - still future even for us.



Here we see a clear reference to the future event in 70 A.D the destruction of Jerusalem.
2 And He said to them, ""Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.''

Jesus' answer covers all 3 questions but not all in consecutive order.

I don't see the rationale given that the generation (parable of the fig tree) which experiences the great tribulation will not pass without witnessing Jesus's physical return

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Jesus's physical return at the 2nd coming (second coming Rev 19) is not the same as his "physical return to Earth" that we see in Rev 20 at the end of the 1000 years which is the point when the Mt. of Olives is split in half.

The return of Christ in Matt 24 that is the 2nd coming event is the one where "He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other" - what many people term "the rapture". It is the event in 1 Thess 4 and in Rev 19. "The second coming" of John 14:1-3

The fig tree example in Matt 24 is about the "second coming" physical literal appearing of Christ where the angels gather the elect "from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other"

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: as soon as its branch has become tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

34 "I tell you the truth. The people who are living then, will not die before all these things happen."
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When you see all what things?

29 “But immediately after the tribulation:

• after the tribulation of those days
  
• the sun will be darkened,
  
• and the moon will not give its light,
  
• and the stars will fall from the sky,
  
• and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
  
• 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky,

"and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming "

It is only the case of the generation that "sees all these things"

Timtofly said:

The 490 years were not one single time period.

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on the contrary -- it is one timeline hence the term '70 weeks' = 490 days = 490 years.

The only way the number "70" gets here is that it is a 70 weeks of years timeline.

24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince,

No doubt that different things happen at various points along that one single time line -- and yet it is a single 70 weeks of years - timeline.

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Timtofly said:

Daniel even splits it into 3 groups. 7, 62, and 1.

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which disproves the argument you are trying to make - when does the 7 weeks end and the 62 week segment begin? are they two timelines 1000 years apart?

We have 457 B.C as the start of the 70 weeks – and then 69-weeks-of-years later in 27A.D Christ is baptized .. in the midst of that last set of 7 years Christ is crucified – and at the end of that 7 years Stephen is stoned.

answer: no! Even in your comment these are back to back and there is no segment of "unknown time" inserted between them. So while the one 70 weeks-of-years timeline has different events happening at various points along that 70-weeks-of-years timeline - it is still one 70-weeks-of-years timeline

BobRyan said:

on the contrary -- it is one timeline hence the term '70 weeks' = 490 days = 490 years.

The only way the number "70" gets here is that it is a 70 weeks of years timeline.

24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince,

No doubt that different things happen at various points along that one single time line -- and yet it is a single 70 weeks of years - timeline.

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which disproves the argument you are trying to make - when does the 7 weeks end and the 62 week segment begin? are they two timelines 1000 years apart?

We have 457 B.C as the start of the 70 weeks – and then 69-weeks-of-years later in 27A.D Christ is baptized .. in the midst of that last set of 7 years Christ is crucified – and at the end of that 7 years Stephen is stoned.

answer: no! Even in your comment these are back to back and there is no segment of "unknown time" inserted between them. So while the one 70 weeks-of-years timeline has different events happening at various points along that 70-weeks-of-years timeline - it is still one 70-weeks-of-years timeline

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Cyrus gave the decree in 559, more than enough time for the 49 years (7 weeks), and the 434 years (62 weeks).

Timtofly said:

Cyrus gave the decree in 559, more than enough time for the 49 years (7 weeks), and the 434 years (62 weeks).

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Ezra says that "the decree" is tri-part "the decree" of 3 kings - was needed to fulfill the "command of God" -

"And they finished building following the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia." Ezra 6:7. Not until the decree of Artaxerxes was given to Israel in 457B.C does that timeline start and it perfectly meshes with the start of Christ's ministry in 27 A.D. 483 years later (at the start of the 70th week of years)

1. All Bible timelines are contiguous.
2. All Apocalyptic timelines use the day-for-year method.

Super easy because it applies across the board and they are simple obvious rules given that everyone already admits that Daniel 9 is using day-for-year in the 70-weeks-of-years.

BobRyan said:

Ezra says that "the decree" is tri-part "the decree" of 3 kings - was needed to fulfill the "command of God" -

"And they finished building following the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia." Ezra 6:7. Not until the decree of Artaxerxes was given to Israel in 457B.C does that timeline start and it perfectly meshes with the start of Christ's ministry in 27 A.D. 483 years later (at the start of the 70th week of years)

1. All Bible timelines are contiguous.
2. All Apocalyptic timelines use the day-for-year method.

Super easy because it applies across the board and they are simple obvious rules given that everyone already admits that Daniel 9 is using day-for-year in the 70-weeks-of-years.

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I understand the 483 years ends at the Baptism of the Messiah. The 490 years does not. The 490 years does not end in 30AD, nor 33AD.

Daniel says the Messiah was cut off, the last week was cut off. It cannot be solid if it is cut off. Daniel never defines a solid 70th week. It is cut in half. 3.5 years from Baptism to the Cross is half of a 70th week. In fact he defines it by not even stating it. The cut off is after the 69th week. Daniel does not directly state the 70th week is cut in half. He may imply a 70th week, because looking back on history we see the numbers fit. Did the first century apostles see it the same as we do? They never wrote about it. Jesus just references the abomination of desolation mentioned by Daniel.

Timtofly said:

I understand the 483 years ends at the Baptism of the Messiah. The 490 years does not.

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Agreed. the 490 year timeline would not end after 483 years -- which is A.D. 27 rather it would continue to 490 years - which is A.D. 34.

That is where we differ.

Daniel says the Messiah was cut off,

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True - so does Isaiah 53

Is 53
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.

The crucifixion of Christ happens in the midst of that last 7 year segment of the 490 year timeline that ends in 34 A.D.

(The text does not say the timeline was cut off - but the Messiah was cut off)

BobRyan said:

It looks like it shows the Dan 12:7, Dan 7, Rev 11 and Rev 13;5 trib to end in 1798 -- to me

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I am looking at that 1335 year span appearing to end on 1843/44.

BobRyan said:

Agreed. the 490 year timeline would not end after 483 years -- which is A.D. 27 rather it would continue to 490 years - which is A.D. 34.

That is where we differ.



True - so does Isaiah 53

Is 53
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.

The crucifixion of Christ happens in the midst of that last 7 year segment of the 490 year timeline that ends in 34 A.D.

(The text does not say the timeline was cut off - but the Messiah was cut off)

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It never says the 70th week was ever prophecied at any time.

"for your holy city for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place."

None of this quote happened in 34AD.

The Cross was in 30AD. That was that. Nothing else has happened.

Timtofly said:

It never says the 70th week was ever prophecied at any time.

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No text says the 70 weeks are spliced apart and gaps of unknown lengths of time are inserted into the timeline only to still be called "70 weeks of years" -- that is not logical.

BobRyan said:

No text says the 70 weeks are spliced apart and gaps of unknown lengths of time are inserted into the timeline only to still be called "70 weeks of years" -- that is not logical.

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The Jews of the first century did not think it made sense either. They did not even accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. They did not even accept Daniel as a prophet.

It is not logical because it has yet to be completed.

BobRyan said:

No text says the 70 weeks are spliced apart and gaps of unknown lengths of time are inserted into the timeline only to still be called "70 weeks of years" -- that is not logical.

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And there is no Bible basis for it.

Timtofly said:

The Jews of the first century did not think it made sense either.

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1. Messiah coming at the end of the 483 years does not need the novel "insert" of slicing off the last week and inserting a gap of "undefined length of time" into the 490 years all the while still calling it 490 years.

2. There is no indication from Christ or any NT writer than anyone in the first century even imagined such a thing to be true.

3. The term "70" in the 70 weeks only works as a single timeline where various events happen all along that span of 490 years.

BobRyan said:

on the contrary -- it is one timeline hence the term '70 weeks' = 490 days = 490 years.

The only way the number "70" gets here is that it is a 70 weeks of years timeline.

24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince,

No doubt that different things happen at various points along that one single time line -- and yet it is a single 70 weeks of years - timeline.

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which disproves the argument you are trying to make - when does the 7 weeks end and the 62 week segment begin? are they two timelines 1000 years apart?

We have 457 B.C as the start of the 70 weeks – and then 69-weeks-of-years later in 27A.D Christ is baptized .. in the midst of that last set of 7 years Christ is crucified – and at the end of that 7 years Stephen is stoned.

answer: no! Even in your comment these are back to back and there is no segment of "unknown time" inserted between them. So while the one 70 weeks-of-years timeline has different events happening at various points along that 70-weeks-of-years timeline - it is still one 70-weeks-of-years timeline

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BobRyan said:

And there is no Bible basis for it.



1. Messiah coming at the end of the 483 years does not need the novel "insert" of slicing off the last week and inserting a gap of "undefined length of time" into the 490 years still calling it 490 years.

2. There is no indication from Christ or any NT writer than anyone in the first century even imagined such a thing to be true.

3. The term "70" in the 70 weeks only works as a single timeline where various events happen all along that span of 490 years.

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That is your interpretation.

Daniel's interpretation says there was 49 years after the decree. Then there were 434 years of Jerusalem being a restored city. That is where Daniel stops, at 483 years. Then he says Messiah comes and is cut off. Daniel does not say the single week was Messiah coming and being cut off. That is why many put the whole 7 years into the future.

Your interpretation is not Daniel's interpretation, but you are forcing Jesus to be the 70th week. You just state the last 3.5 years mean nothing, because Jesus the Messiah was not around for the last half of those 7 years.

The 7 years can only be Christ on earth is my point. There are still 3.5 years that needed to be accomplished by Christ Himself.

These are the days Jesus claims:

21 For there will be trouble then worse than there has ever been from the beginning of the world until now, and there will be nothing like it again!
22 Indeed, if the length of this time had not been limited, no one would survive; but for the sake of those who have been chosen, its length will be limited.

Since Jesus Christ knew He would be placed on a Cross, He is stating that the last half would be future. Jesus is the one making and confirming the Covenant, which is Daniel's last week, as His earthly ministry then and still to come.

Daniel never interpreted the last set of 7. Jesus Christ Himself gave us the interpretation with His earthly ministry, because Jesus was the one cut off.

Daniel 9:27 is telling us that only Christ can define the last set of 7.

Timtofly said:

That is your interpretation.

Daniel's interpretation says there was 49 years after the decree. Then there were 434 years of Jerusalem being a restored city. That is where Daniel stops, at 483 years.

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Daniel 9 says there is 70 weeks of years - 490 years - your post completely omits the 70 weeks of years timeline and only speaks to the segments of that one single 70-weeks-of-years timeline because you no way of claiming it to be a 70 weeks timeline not even 490 days or 490 years. Thus avoiding the problem of having to describe it as 490 years, or 70 weeks of years. The very detail in the text is 70 weeks.

A 490 year timeline does not work at all - if one is going to insert gaps of unknown lengths of time into it...

obviously.

BobRyan said:

490 year timeline - a perfect fit with no gaps

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