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What reason would you give for why we will have and/or need a physical body in heaven?
a physical body in heaven?
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Adam was made in God's image. God gave Adam a body. It seems obvious that the image was of the Lord Jesus. We know that He was with the Father before He came to the earth. When Lord Jesus rose from the dead, he had a body, except it was not flesh and blood. We will be like Him.
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There isn't an absolute need, if we are thinking about the idea of existing without one, but Scripture indicates that we will have glorified bodies. The reason for such non-physical bodies is thought to be because we would not feel complete or "ourselves" without such a form. Philippians 3:20-21
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If we start with the idea of creation itself, one has to wonder what the point of everything is if our bodies simply fade and we are left as immaterial spirits. Why did God subject us to this physical state if what we learn in our bodies will be meaningless in a future life apart from them as spirits capable of things we can barely imagine?
Then we move on to the example of resurrection, namely Christ himself. Why is the body he received so physical? Capable of eating, being touched and seen? What's the point of Christ himself resurrecting and being bound to an immortal body that cannot die and which ascended into heaven if we ourselves will not receive the same?
Everything in the Christian tradition reinforces the notion that the body that we dwell in is an important entity. One we must control and use for the glorification of God. To that end any theology which doesn't make sense of those moral injunctions having to do with how we use the body is unsatisfactory. It borrows ideals borrowed from Platonism which rejects the material reality as ultimately important.
Then we move on to the example of resurrection, namely Christ himself. Why is the body he received so physical? Capable of eating, being touched and seen? What's the point of Christ himself resurrecting and being bound to an immortal body that cannot die and which ascended into heaven if we ourselves will not receive the same?
Everything in the Christian tradition reinforces the notion that the body that we dwell in is an important entity. One we must control and use for the glorification of God. To that end any theology which doesn't make sense of those moral injunctions having to do with how we use the body is unsatisfactory. It borrows ideals borrowed from Platonism which rejects the material reality as ultimately important.
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It is His original One Single Plan for creating the Adam race.
He made the Adam race one Spirit, male and female persons, so as to get sons for building His temple not made with hands for His glory to indwell and by the multiplication of the kind, to plant the heavens.
Look that all up in the Strong's concordance online.
The fall of Adam and the entire kingdom given to the Adam and the promise of the Atonement, the restoration of the One plan and the Ransom of the kingdom is the Gospel and the story begins in Genesis 1 and goes all the way through to the end of Revelation.
The real Book of Enoch will help fill in understanding of the ONE plan, too.
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And The Holy Spirit revealed that to you from God's Word, no man did.
Yet some here do not understand that per God's Word, and are being lied to by hirelings in their pulpits that think the image of man always involves a flesh physical body. They don't understand the image of man originated from the Heavenly with God's Own Image Likeness.
And this is kind of worrisome about those brethren, because one of the warnings about the coming false one for the end of this world per Daniel 11, is that false one is going to be promoting a false god of forces, i.e., a god without form or shape. And that is exactly how many Christian brethren believe about our Heavenly Father, that He has no particular shape or form.
Dan 11:38
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
KJV
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There seems to be some confusion in this thread between Heaven, an intermediate state for the joyous repose of our soul between now and the Last Judgement, and the World to Come, in which in our risen and glorified body we shall be, if judged worthy by Christ Pantocrator, with God in the new Earth.
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1. Christ had a physical resurrected body according to the Gospel accounts
2. 1 John 3:2 says we will be like him at the resurrection
3. 1 Cor 15 says it is two bodies that we are talking about, so also does 2 Cor 5:1-9 affirm it
4. Bodies of Angels are described in the Bible
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There are two bodies in 2 Cor 5:1-9. 1 Cor 15 says we get that second body at the second coming.
The state of 1Thess 4:13-18 where the "dead in Christ" have - in Paul's Words "fallen asleep" is the "unclothed" state of 2Cor 5:1-6 where we do not have the decaying body of Earth and do not yet have the resurrected body of 1Cor 15 that we get at the 2nd coming.
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James says -- "26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."
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1Co 15,44. “It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
What sayest thou? Is not “this” body spiritual? It is indeed spiritual, but that will be much more so. For now oftentimes both the abundant grace of the Holy Ghost flies away on men’s committing great sins; and again, the Spirit continuing present, the life of the flesh depends on the soul: and the result in such a case is a void, without the Spirit. But in that day not so: rather he abides continually in the flesh of the righteous, and the victory shall be His, the natural soul also being present.
For either it was some such thing which he intimated by saying, “a spiritual body,” or that it shall be lighter and more subtle and such as even to be wafted upon air; or rather he meant both these. And if thou disbelieve the doctrine, behold the heavenly bodies which are so glorious and (for this time) so durable, and abide in undecaying tranquillity; and believe thou from hence, that God can also make these corruptible bodies incorruptible and much more excellent than those which are visible.
Chrysostom on 1Cor 4000
What sayest thou? Is not “this” body spiritual? It is indeed spiritual, but that will be much more so. For now oftentimes both the abundant grace of the Holy Ghost flies away on men’s committing great sins; and again, the Spirit continuing present, the life of the flesh depends on the soul: and the result in such a case is a void, without the Spirit. But in that day not so: rather he abides continually in the flesh of the righteous, and the victory shall be His, the natural soul also being present.
For either it was some such thing which he intimated by saying, “a spiritual body,” or that it shall be lighter and more subtle and such as even to be wafted upon air; or rather he meant both these. And if thou disbelieve the doctrine, behold the heavenly bodies which are so glorious and (for this time) so durable, and abide in undecaying tranquillity; and believe thou from hence, that God can also make these corruptible bodies incorruptible and much more excellent than those which are visible.
Chrysostom on 1Cor 4000
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Yes, only by revelation can we know anything of the things of God. One of the things I learned early in my Christian life was to ask for the Spirit of wisdom and revelation. I hardly ever hear that preached, yet it is vital for spiritual growth.
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Rewards given at the judgment seat of Christ for the redeemed are for the righteous deeds done in the body. The body of the righteous are elementally changed at the rapture of them or at the resurrection of them.. then they have the awards ceremony.
The body of the righteous are glorified with the measures of the Glory promised to come, and the measures differ for each body, according to the acts of righteous redeemed saints.
The saints serve their Glorious Father in those bodies forever, and together, they are the "Temple made without hands" for the Glory to indwell, and to "plant the heavens", thereby.
That is what YHWH created our being for.
The Adam spirit, at conception, builds the flesh body for the soul to dwell in.
The flesh of the Adam spirit is designed by the Creator for the soul to dwell in.
Since the fall of our first father Adam, our flesh is corruptible, and Corruption is an evil spirit that feeds Death, another evil spirit, so as to feed the souls of the dead flesh to Sheol, another evil spirit, where the wicked souls are held in torment until the day appointed for the resurrection of the flesh bodies of the souls, and the wicked unrepentant souls are raised in their own bodies, to stand at the judgement for deeds done in those bodies, and receive rewards according to their deeds.
The wicked flesh of the resurrected is cast into the lake of fire, soul in their own bodies, forever, minus the Adam spirit. Where torments for those deeds will be eternal.
IF our first father, Adam, whose seed we are, had not been cast out and down from Paradise (which is in Eden, in the third heaven, as the Word states), then he and all the seed in his loins (the entire Adam/human being kind) would have eaten from the tree of life and the entire race would be cast, soul in body, into the Lake of Fire, which is the kingdom of darkness, and YHWH'S One plan for our creation of our being as spirit, soul, and body, would have been totally in vain.
Therefore: redemption of the Adam race and the ransom of the kingdom the Creator made for Adam, to be multiplying sons of God for the Glory to indwell, so as to build the Temple not made with hands for the glory to indwell, and to "Plant the Heavens" thereby, was already Planned for the Ransom/Atonement, before He even created us.
He came in a body newly created, with a New Name, and reverse adopted His New Flesh Creation into the Adam race, which He donned as the "Robe of Salvation/Yeshua", and now, the ONE Plan will be done through the REDEEMER/KINSMAN, who is God the Word, the Creator of all things, in His New Man Name, which name is "Israel", not Adam.
That is The Theology of The Word, given to the namesake people of the New Man Name, to rehearse as living oracles until they are all fulfilled.
Adam was to have lived, multiplying the seed, for one millennial day, and then been glorified, but his body would never, ever, ever have died.all the seed of the kind would have forever been born to do the same: multiply a thousand years,
Death of the flesh of the defilled Adam and elemental change of it at the resurrection of it at time of the rapture is necessary to be glorified, as pr original ONE Plan.
The Atonement of the souls of the Adam flesh was planned from the beginning, so that those souls of the Adam spirit could be adopted into the One Living Spirit, the Christ Spirit, and have eternal Life in glory.
So, all creation will be changed, elementally. The One plan will go on forever in the New Man name, heaven is the destiny of the Redeemed, and earth is the centre of the One plan and the New Beginning comes at the beginning of the 8th Millennium.
Then all is restored, but the wicked will be in the Lake of Fire, shut up with the Devil and his angels, and be tormented forever.
There will be no more sin.
The body of the righteous are glorified with the measures of the Glory promised to come, and the measures differ for each body, according to the acts of righteous redeemed saints.
The saints serve their Glorious Father in those bodies forever, and together, they are the "Temple made without hands" for the Glory to indwell, and to "plant the heavens", thereby.
That is what YHWH created our being for.
The Adam spirit, at conception, builds the flesh body for the soul to dwell in.
The flesh of the Adam spirit is designed by the Creator for the soul to dwell in.
Since the fall of our first father Adam, our flesh is corruptible, and Corruption is an evil spirit that feeds Death, another evil spirit, so as to feed the souls of the dead flesh to Sheol, another evil spirit, where the wicked souls are held in torment until the day appointed for the resurrection of the flesh bodies of the souls, and the wicked unrepentant souls are raised in their own bodies, to stand at the judgement for deeds done in those bodies, and receive rewards according to their deeds.
The wicked flesh of the resurrected is cast into the lake of fire, soul in their own bodies, forever, minus the Adam spirit. Where torments for those deeds will be eternal.
IF our first father, Adam, whose seed we are, had not been cast out and down from Paradise (which is in Eden, in the third heaven, as the Word states), then he and all the seed in his loins (the entire Adam/human being kind) would have eaten from the tree of life and the entire race would be cast, soul in body, into the Lake of Fire, which is the kingdom of darkness, and YHWH'S One plan for our creation of our being as spirit, soul, and body, would have been totally in vain.
Therefore: redemption of the Adam race and the ransom of the kingdom the Creator made for Adam, to be multiplying sons of God for the Glory to indwell, so as to build the Temple not made with hands for the glory to indwell, and to "Plant the Heavens" thereby, was already Planned for the Ransom/Atonement, before He even created us.
He came in a body newly created, with a New Name, and reverse adopted His New Flesh Creation into the Adam race, which He donned as the "Robe of Salvation/Yeshua", and now, the ONE Plan will be done through the REDEEMER/KINSMAN, who is God the Word, the Creator of all things, in His New Man Name, which name is "Israel", not Adam.
That is The Theology of The Word, given to the namesake people of the New Man Name, to rehearse as living oracles until they are all fulfilled.
Adam was to have lived, multiplying the seed, for one millennial day, and then been glorified, but his body would never, ever, ever have died.all the seed of the kind would have forever been born to do the same: multiply a thousand years,
Death of the flesh of the defilled Adam and elemental change of it at the resurrection of it at time of the rapture is necessary to be glorified, as pr original ONE Plan.
The Atonement of the souls of the Adam flesh was planned from the beginning, so that those souls of the Adam spirit could be adopted into the One Living Spirit, the Christ Spirit, and have eternal Life in glory.
So, all creation will be changed, elementally. The One plan will go on forever in the New Man name, heaven is the destiny of the Redeemed, and earth is the centre of the One plan and the New Beginning comes at the beginning of the 8th Millennium.
Then all is restored, but the wicked will be in the Lake of Fire, shut up with the Devil and his angels, and be tormented forever.
There will be no more sin.
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50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
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