The Bible Doesn't Contain Everything

St_Worm2 said:

Hello Thomas, it's clear that the Bible does not contain "everything", but it does contain all that we need to be able to find and know God, to be saved by Him, to know what He expects of us as we live before Him in this life, and the like.

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Adam and Eve's offspring for example. Whad ya have for em?

Thomas White said:

So you think man incorrectly interprets the natural language of the universe?

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That man interprets the natural language of the universe (not really sure what the natural language is).

But i see it this way science started out from/in pagan peoples/cultures. So they were open to satanic influence, so satan took an opportunity available to him to deceive people using the field of science.

What is given as Gods creation in the Bible has absolutely nothing in agreement with what science states is in existence.

Thomas White said:

So you think man incorrectly interprets the natural language of the universe?

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Happens all the time, take evolution for instance.

SkyWriting said:

Adam and Eve's offspring for example. Whad ya have for em?

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Hi Sky, you mean what do I have for "us", yes? (after all, we are ~all~ the progeny of our first parents). I believe that prophetic statements concerning our redemption in Christ begin in Genesis 3:15. You can look up the rest that follow

--David

St_Worm2 said:

Hi Sky, you mean what do I have for "us", yes? (after all, we are ~all~ the progeny of our first parents). I believe that prophetic statements concerning our redemption in Christ begin in Genesis 3:15. You can look up the rest of them that follow

--David

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No. I mean what "truth" do you have to offer Cain and Able?
The truth about Jesus. Spell it out for them. Please cite your sources.

SkyWriting said:

No. I mean what "truth" do you have to offer Cain and Able?
The truth about Jesus. Spell it out for them.

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Too late! Their eternal destination was decided long ago .. Hebrews 9:27.

St_Worm2 said:

Too late! Their eternal destination was decided long ago .. Hebrews 9:27.

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I we have no scripture for them to learn from it seems we are all adrift with no hope or faith. All the promises of the written word are gone until the Bible is completed.

Say it ain't so Sky, say it ain't so

Hebrews 11:4

"Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of himself to us."

Well no, it's man discovering more about how the natural world operates. It doesn't really convey any revelation from God to man now, does it?

Thomas White said:

So many Christians close themselves off to God by refusing to look beyond the pages of scripture. God is infinite. His Truth is infinite. The universe is ever-expanding. Based on these facts alone, the Bible cannot contain everything. There is so much more about God that we simply do not know. Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of himself to us. We hurt ourselves and the Church by refusing to look for God in everyday life.

Thoughts!

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Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). What is the Word of God? Is it the light coming from the sun? Is it listening to the song of a bird? While God does show forth a form of unspoken communication by His creation, it is not the Word of God. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Many today just have not heard the Word of God to be changed by it whereby they want to live, and breath, and think about it all the time. I would encourage you to check out this Christian movie trailer that deals with what I am talking about here.


If you are interested further, you can learn more in this CF thread here:

Play the Flute DVD (A must see Christian movie).

d taylor said:

But i see it this way science started out from/in pagan peoples/cultures. So they were open to satanic influence, so satan took an opportunity available to him to deceive people using the field of science.

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Can you name one scientific theory that is satanic? How about Newton's inverse square law of gravity - is that satanic?

If you can't name one, what does that tell you about your theory?

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Well no, it's man discovering more about how the natural world operates. It doesn't really convey any revelation from God to man now, does it?

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It tells us that God is rational and likes beauty (there is beauty in Physics and Maths or so I'm told)

Thomas White said:

So many Christians close themselves off to God by refusing to look beyond the pages of scripture. God is infinite. His Truth is infinite. The universe is ever-expanding. Based on these facts alone, the Bible cannot contain everything. There is so much more about God that we simply do not know. Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of himself to us. We hurt ourselves and the Church by refusing to look for God in everyday life.

Thoughts!

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I am a Christian and I see great value in Apocrypha as it was part of the King James Bible and was part of the Bible Jesus read. It was not removed until about a century ago so it was considered Bible scripture for 2000 years. Books one and two of Edras are extremely enlightening and so powerful to me. I am on my fourth time reading them as they are packed with knowledge. What I find interesting is that in the Bible we find the book of Ezra, same person, but only the beginning of his story is told. The really good parts are cut out and I was amazed by it. I don't understand why it was removed after being there so long. All I can think of is that Satan didn't want us to have it because it is filled with useful knowledge that we ought to know. I am not promoting it in any way, I'm just saying I am a Christian and I look for God in everything actually. I do not limit myself to what people think God's word is- especially when He created it one way and people took it upon themselves to dissect it and give us enough to confuse us. It is like they didn't want us to know the whole story .

John 21:25. Even the Bible appears to explain that the Bible isn’t everything, not to mention common sense.

The most upfront explanation of why some people punt towards the Bible alone is that they believe the Bible is sufficient or exhaustive with regards to faith and practise.

Though even that’s a hard pill to swallow, practise doesn’t much help people when they’re hiding Jewish refugees in their attic from the Nazi party’s SS troopers.

We can use scripture that says God hates a lying tongue to give them up, mentally absolving ourselves of guilt because we’re such a good Bible student, or we can follow the example of Rahab.

Although historically the big reason people are so attracted to “Bible and only Bible” is that it helped to ward off Catholic traditions, which Catholics insist are authoritative.

Cormack said:

John 21:25. Even the Bible appears to explain that the Bible isn’t everything, not to mention common sense.

The most upfront explanation of why some people punt towards the Bible alone is that they believe the Bible is sufficient or exhaustive with regards to faith and practise.

Though even that’s a hard pill to swallow, practise doesn’t much help people when they’re hiding Jewish refugees in their attic from the Nazi party’s SS troopers.

We can use scripture that says God hates a lying tongue to give them up, mentally absolving ourselves of guilt because we’re such a good Bible student, or we can follow the example of Rahab.

Although historically the big reason people are so attracted to “Bible and only Bible” is that it helped to ward off Catholic traditions, which Catholics insist are authoritative.

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Unless they know the history of the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls they are limiting themselves to only knowing what is preferred that they know rather than what God intended they know. Personally, I say if it is ancient texts, give us all of it and let us discern for ourselves. Do not discern it for us because it is there for a reason. The good bad and ugly, give it all to us and the Holy Spirit will guide us through what is real and what should be left. That is just my opinion which isn't worth a lot.

Jaxxi said:

The good bad and ugly, give it all to us and the Holy Spirit will guide us through what is real and what should be left.

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I agree, there’s nothing to fear from the extra biblical material, be they Roman Catholic, gnostic, Augustinian or otherwise, attempts at limiting the scope of spiritual conversation is vulnerable to institutional manipulations of the worst order.

History of faith (like politics) is complicated, messy, but the answer to that is building each other up into the measure of informed believers and informed voters, it’s no answer to narrow the scope of what we read.

In short, I agree with you.

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Can you name one scientific theory that is satanic? How about Newton's inverse square law of gravity - is that satanic?

If you can't name one, what does that tell you about your theory?

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How about the fact that science used " psychology" to call the demon possessed and oppressed " mentally ill" and the world quit believing demons were real. Jesus spent half his ministry exorcising demons from people, in fact demons are mentioned 22 times in the New Testament only for science to tell us " they were crazy" and now the possessed are stuck in mental institutions instead of being delivered like Jesus said to do in His name. That is highly Satanic.

According to ABC news,

Exorcism: Increasingly frequent, including after US protests

In popular culture, exorcism often serves as a plot device in chilling films about demonic possession

By
DAVID CRARY AP National Writer
October 31, 2020, 9:54 AM ET
• 6 min read
In popular culture, exorcism often serves as a plot device in chilling films about demonic possession. This month, two Roman Catholic archbishops showed a different face of exorcism – performing the rite at well-attended outdoor ceremonies to drive out any evil spirits lingering after acrimonious protests.

The events' distinctive character gave a hint of how exorcism — with roots in ancient times — has evolved in some ways as it becomes more commonplace in many parts of the world.
In Portland, Oregon, Archbishop Alexander Sample led a procession of more than 200 people to a city park on Oct. 17, offered a prayer, then conducted a Latin exorcism rite intended to purge the community of evil. The event followed more than four months of racial justice protests in Portland, mostly peaceful but sometimes fueling violence and riots.

On the same day, 600 miles to the south, San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone performed an exorcism ceremony outside a Catholic church in San Rafael, where protesters had earlier toppled a statue of Father Junipero Serra.

“We pray that God might purify this place of evil spirits, that he might purify the hearts of those who perpetrated this blasphemy,” Cordileone said.

Yet we have been conditioned by " science" to think these people are crazy, and demons aren't real. Nobody lives their lives in fear of demons- if they did, inappropriate contentography wouldn't be the problem it is today. Psychology has helped people, don't get me wrong, but it denies the Supernatural and that is Satanic.

Thomas White said:

So many Christians close themselves off to God by refusing to look beyond the pages of scripture. God is infinite. His Truth is infinite. The universe is ever-expanding. Based on these facts alone, the Bible cannot contain everything. There is so much more about God that we simply do not know. Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of himself to us. We hurt ourselves and the Church by refusing to look for God in everyday life.

Thoughts!

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Ye thats fact but this has some new-agy vibe to it , like demons can do miracles too and people practicing this kind of wichcraft stuff.
If it were not so then God wouldn't forbid us doing these things.

Thomas White said:

So many Christians close themselves off to God by refusing to look beyond the pages of scripture. God is infinite. His Truth is infinite. The universe is ever-expanding. Based on these facts alone, the Bible cannot contain everything. There is so much more about God that we simply do not know. Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of himself to us. We hurt ourselves and the Church by refusing to look for God in everyday life.

Thoughts!

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You are wrong. God's Word covers it all, just not everything in microscopic detail, but more in general and profound terms. If someone chooses to believe there's no science contained in God's Word then it only means they haven't really studied it enough.

Here's an example:

Heb 11:1-3
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV


That in red involves the scientific law of conservation of matter which states that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, but only change its form (i.e., solid, liquid, gas, vapor).

But that Scripture also involves a profound revelation, and it is the fact that matter not being created nor destroyed means material matter did NOT create itself. And that fact automatically reveals the fact that something 'outside' of material matter had to be the original creator of material matter.

That something those in Christ know as GOD.

This is the line that the materialistic atheist refuses to cross. Their hypothesis' and theories always remain within the realm of material matter, i.e., man's science, not recognizing that there is a higher science involved, and that is the science of God's Spirit and the Heavenly dimension which is not material matter.

So the atheist, by not admitting the existence of The Creator outside the realm of material matter, actually disproves their own atheistic premise, because they admit the law of the conservation of matter that material matter cannot create nor destroy itself.