Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

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'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets , you’re saying in Jesus fulfilling the Sabbath (mind you Jesus was referring to all commandments not just the fourth) means to destroy the law. The Sabbath is a commandment, which it seems you keep choosing to ignore. In your definition of fulfill means destroy, no longer required, which has Jesus contradicting Himself and that is not the case. Which is why Jesus makes certain we understand:
'Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in nowise pass from the law' (Matthew 5:18). Heaven and earth still remain;

We can know from Jesus' own lips that the law was not and has not been abolished.
And from the God-breathed Holy Scriptures we read:

Ephesians 2:14-15 - ". . .he himself. . .has made the two one. . .by abolishing in his flesh the (ceremonial) law with its commandments and regulations."

Hebrews 8:13 - ". ..by calling this (NT) covenant "new," he has made the first (old, Mosaic) covenant obsolete."

And noting that the first Scripture above was penned by the one who received his revelation from Jesus Christ personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5).
Mathew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

God changes not which is why we will be doing (worshipping Him) forever in Heaven Isaiah 66:23

One of the last verses in the Bible:

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
(Commandment doers)

God asks us to Hallow His Sabbath, that is a command, not something Christ gives us. Sabbath is a sign between man and God. Ezekiel 20:20 Keeping it Holy. Christ rest is different and its received not by breaking His commandments.

If you don’t think you are required to keep God’s Sabbath Holy, that is between you and God. There is a lot at stake to disobeying God’s commandments so I would want to be 100%. God bless
Previously addressed in post #715.
 
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In other words, trying to ‘fulfill’ the law in our flesh(physical bodies) is not following the Spirit.

Our flesh wars against the Spirit.

We can easily deceive ourselves when ‘obeying’ the law in our flesh.

However, by following the Spirit we can know that His law is fulfilled in us.
 
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Which is used in Gen2:3.
קָדַשׁ
qâdash
BDB Definition:
1) to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be set apart, be consecrated
1a2) to be hallowed
1a3) consecrated, tabooed
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to show oneself sacred or majestic
1b2) to be honoured, be treated as sacred
1b3) to be holy
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to set apart as sacred, consecrate, dedicate
1c2) to observe as holy, keep sacred
1c3) to honour as sacred, hallow
1c4) to consecrate
1d) (Pual)
1d1) to be consecrated
1d2) consecrated, dedicated
1e) (Hiphil)
1e1) to set apart, devote, consecrate
1e2) to regard or treat as sacred or hallow
1e3) to consecrate
1f) (Hithpael)
1f1) to keep oneself apart or separate
1f2) to cause Himself to be hallowed (of God)
1f3) to be observed as holy
1f4) to consecrate oneself
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root

Here are all the locations in which Qadash is translated sanctified. Please take note of the first entry.

sanctified, 45
Gen 2:3, Exo 19:14, Exo 29:43, Lev 8:10, Lev 8:15, Lev 8:30, Lev 10:3, Lev 27:15, Lev 27:19, Num 7:1 (2), Num 8:17, Num 20:13, 1Sa 7:1, 1Sa 21:5 (2), 1Ch 15:14, 2Ch 5:11, 2Ch 7:16, 2Ch 7:20, 2Ch 29:15, 2Ch 29:17, 2Ch 29:19, 2Ch 29:34, 2Ch 30:3, 2Ch 30:8, 2Ch 30:15, 2Ch 30:17, 2Ch 30:24, 2Ch 31:18, Neh 3:1 (2), Neh 12:47 (2), Job 1:5, Isa 5:16, Isa 13:3, Jer 1:5, Eze 20:41, Eze 28:22, Eze 28:25, Eze 36:23, Eze 38:16, Eze 39:27, Eze 48:11


Question. If something is set apart unto God, is it not Holy?

Acts 7:33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.

Are you familiar with the Septuagint?

Did you know that in it Gen2:3 Qadash is translated to the following entry from Strong's in the Greek. With this being understood it is safe to say that the Hebrew scholars who translated LXX back before Jesus under stood qadash to mean hagiazo which means make holy. Did you know that Jesus and the Apostles quoted the LXX?


G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:—hallow, be holy, sanctify.


G40
ἅγιος
hagios
hag'-ee-os
From ἅγος hagos (an awful thing) compare G53, [H2282]; sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated):—(most) holy (one, thing), saint.

You are mistaken.
קָדֵשׁ
qâdêsh
BDB Definition:
1) male temple prostitute
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H6942
Which is used in Gen2:3.
קָדַשׁ
qâdash
BDB Definition:
1) to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be set apart, be consecrated
1a2) to be hallowed
1a3) consecrated, tabooed
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to show oneself sacred or majestic
1b2) to be honoured, be treated as sacred
1b3) to be holy
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to set apart as sacred, consecrate, dedicate
1c2) to observe as holy, keep sacred
1c3) to honour as sacred, hallow
1c4) to consecrate
1d) (Pual)
1d1) to be consecrated
1d2) consecrated, dedicated
1e) (Hiphil)
1e1) to set apart, devote, consecrate
1e2) to regard or treat as sacred or hallow
1e3) to consecrate
1f) (Hithpael)
1f1) to keep oneself apart or separate
1f2) to cause Himself to be hallowed (of God)
1f3) to be observed as holy
1f4) to consecrate oneself
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root

Here are all the locations in which Qadash is translated sanctified. Please take note of the first entry.

sanctified, 45
Gen 2:3, Exo 19:14, Exo 29:43, Lev 8:10, Lev 8:15, Lev 8:30, Lev 10:3, Lev 27:15, Lev 27:19, Num 7:1 (2), Num 8:17, Num 20:13, 1Sa 7:1, 1Sa 21:5 (2), 1Ch 15:14, 2Ch 5:11, 2Ch 7:16, 2Ch 7:20, 2Ch 29:15, 2Ch 29:17, 2Ch 29:19, 2Ch 29:34, 2Ch 30:3, 2Ch 30:8, 2Ch 30:15, 2Ch 30:17, 2Ch 30:24, 2Ch 31:18, Neh 3:1 (2), Neh 12:47 (2), Job 1:5, Isa 5:16, Isa 13:3, Jer 1:5, Eze 20:41, Eze 28:22, Eze 28:25, Eze 36:23, Eze 38:16, Eze 39:27, Eze 48:11


Question. If something is set apart unto God, is it not Holy?

Acts 7:33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.

Are you familiar with the Septuagint?

Did you know that in it Gen2:3 Qadash is translated to the following entry from Strong's in the Greek. With this being understood it is safe to say that the Hebrew scholars who translated LXX back before Jesus under stood qadash to mean hagiazo which means make holy. Did you know that Jesus and the Apostles quoted the LXX?


G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:—hallow, be holy, sanctify.


G40
ἅγιος
hagios
hag'-ee-os
From ἅγος hagos (an awful thing) compare G53, [H2282]; sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated):—(most) holy (one, thing), saint.

You are mistaken.
קָדֵשׁ
qâdêsh
BDB Definition:
1) male temple prostitute
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H6942


קָדֵשׁ
qâdêsh
BDB Definition:
Kadesh = “holy”
1) a city in the extreme south of Judah
1a) same as ‘Kedesh’ and ‘Kadesh-barnea’
Part of Speech: noun proper locative
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: the same as H6945
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1990e


קָדֵשׁ
qâdêsh
BDB Definition:
Kadesh = “holy”
1) a city in the extreme south of Judah
1a) same as ‘Kedesh’ and ‘Kadesh-barnea’
Part of Speech: noun proper locative
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: the same as H6945
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1990e
My Young's uses
qadesh in Ge 2:3, etc.,
qadosh in Ex 19:6, etc.,
qodesh in Ex 35:2, etc.,
qodosh in Ex 3:5, etc.
 
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And from the God-breathed Holy Scriptures we read:

Ephesians 2:14-15 - ". . .he himself. . .has made the two one. . .by abolishing in his flesh the (ceremonial) law with its commandments and regulations."

Hebrews 8:13 - ". ..by calling this (NT) covenant "new," he has made the first (old, Mosaic) covenant obsolete."

And noting that the first Scripture above was penned by the one who received his revelation from Jesus Christ personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5).

Previously addressed in post #715.
God’s commandments are not ceremonial laws. They are His moral laws which are eternal. Mathew 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ God spoke His Sabbath commandment along with the other 9 laws that is now written in our hearts Hebrews 8:3 in the New Covenant. Same laws but magnified and with different promises. We are saved by grace, we do not obey to be saved, we obey because we are saved out of our love for God. God bless
 
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God’s commandments are not ceremonial laws. They are His moral laws which are eternal. Mathew 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ God spoke His Sabbath commandment along with the other 9 laws that is written in our hearts Hebrews 8:3 in the New Covenant. Same laws, different promises. We are saved by grace, we do not obey to be saved, we obey because we are saved for our love for Him.

God ‘puts’ the law into the mind, and ‘writes’ it onto the heart, of the house of Israel.

They ‘shall not’ teach each other ‘know’ the Lord, because they ‘shall’ all know Him.

He will be merciful toward iniquities, and will not remember their sins.

His laws are not something we choose to keep - if we are of the house of Israel we have them written and placed by God Himself. We will keep them - unless you believe you are stronger than the hand of God?

His people know Him, and they know what He has done to them.

They know if they are not walking with Him - not because someone teaches them - not even because they taught themselves - they know because God knows them.

I know when I am walking according to my flesh, and I know when I am walking according to the Spirit.

When I walk according to the flesh I know because I am going contrary to His law.

When I walk according to the Spirit I know because of Faith.

The flesh looks at the law of God and thinks it can rightly interpret it. That is impossible!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have other gods before Him. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have made an idol. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are taking His name in vain. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are observing the Sabbath. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are honoring their parents. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not murdering. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not committing adultery. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not stealing. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not lying. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not coveting. The flesh cannot know!

The lie from the beginning has continued through out all generations. The flesh thinks it knows good from evil - the flesh cannot know!

So, the question is, what can the flesh know?
 
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Have never heard that it doesn't exist.

Have read in the God-breathed Holy Scriptures where it is fulfilled in the salvation-rest of Jesus Christ.
In saying this, it means the Commandments of God is really God giving a commandment to Christ. That doesn’t really make sense, does it?

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
 
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God ‘puts’ the law into the mind, and ‘writes’ it onto the heart, of the house of Israel.

They ‘shall not’ teach each other ‘know’ the Lord, because they ‘shall’ all know Him.

He will be merciful toward iniquities, and will not remember their sins.

His laws are not something we choose to keep - if we are of the house of Israel we have them written and placed by God Himself. We will keep them - unless you believe you are stronger than the hand of God?

His people know Him, and they know what He has done to them.

They know if they are not walking with Him - not because someone teaches them - not even because they taught themselves - they know because God knows them.

I know when I am walking according to my flesh, and I know when I am walking according to the Spirit.

When I walk according to the flesh I know because I am going contrary to His law.

When I walk according to the Spirit I know because of Faith.

The flesh looks at the law of God and thinks it can rightly interpret it. That is impossible!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have other gods before Him. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have made an idol. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are taking His name in vain. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are observing the Sabbath. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are honoring their parents. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not murdering. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not committing adultery. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not stealing. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not lying. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not coveting. The flesh cannot know!

The lie from the beginning has continued through out all generations. The flesh thinks it knows good from evil - the flesh cannot know!

So, the question is, what can the flesh know?

Who cares what the flesh can know?

Romans 6:4-11, "Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life.

For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united in the likeness of his resurrection. We know that our old man was crucified with him so that the body of sin would no longer dominate us, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. (For someone who has died has been freed from sin.)

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that since Christ has been raised from the dead, he is never going to die again; death no longer has mastery over him. For the death he died, he died to sin once for all, but the life he lives, he lives to God. So you too consider yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus."
 
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God ‘puts’ the law into the mind, and ‘writes’ it onto the heart, of the house of Israel.

They ‘shall not’ teach each other ‘know’ the Lord, because they ‘shall’ all know Him.

He will be merciful toward iniquities, and will not remember their sins.

His laws are not something we choose to keep - if we are of the house of Israel we have them written and placed by God Himself. We will keep them - unless you believe you are stronger than the hand of God?

His people know Him, and they know what He has done to them.

They know if they are not walking with Him - not because someone teaches them - not even because they taught themselves - they know because God knows them.

I know when I am walking according to my flesh, and I know when I am walking according to the Spirit.

When I walk according to the flesh I know because I am going contrary to His law.

When I walk according to the Spirit I know because of Faith.

The flesh looks at the law of God and thinks it can rightly interpret it. That is impossible!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have other gods before Him. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have made an idol. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are taking His name in vain. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are observing the Sabbath. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are honoring their parents. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not murdering. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not committing adultery. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not stealing. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not lying. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not coveting. The flesh cannot know!

The lie from the beginning has continued through out all generations. The flesh thinks it knows good from evil - the flesh cannot know!

So, the question is, what can the flesh know?

By your logic, we can't trust what you post and you can't trust yourself, because "the flesh can't know". How can anyone be converted to Christianity if they can't trust their own eyes and ears, and their own intuition? They can't. "The flesh can't know" is a circular argument that goes nowhere and you're being disingenuous, because you already know the answer.
  • God created us with brains that allow us to come to reasonable conclusions on any subject.
  • God gives us the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of truth.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.​
 
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God ‘puts’ the law into the mind, and ‘writes’ it onto the heart, of the house of Israel.

They ‘shall not’ teach each other ‘know’ the Lord, because they ‘shall’ all know Him.

He will be merciful toward iniquities, and will not remember their sins.

His laws are not something we choose to keep - if we are of the house of Israel we have them written and placed by God Himself. We will keep them - unless you believe you are stronger than the hand of God?

His people know Him, and they know what He has done to them.

They know if they are not walking with Him - not because someone teaches them - not even because they taught themselves - they know because God knows them.

I know when I am walking according to my flesh, and I know when I am walking according to the Spirit.

When I walk according to the flesh I know because I am going contrary to His law.

When I walk according to the Spirit I know because of Faith.

The flesh looks at the law of God and thinks it can rightly interpret it. That is impossible!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have other gods before Him. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they have made an idol. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are taking His name in vain. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are observing the Sabbath. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are honoring their parents. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not murdering. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not committing adultery. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not stealing. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not lying. The flesh cannot know!

The flesh will deceive a person, thinking they know when they are not coveting. The flesh cannot know!

The lie from the beginning has continued through out all generations. The flesh thinks it knows good from evil - the flesh cannot know!

So, the question is, what can the flesh know?

The Sabbath commandment is key to knowing God. One we are allowing God to be God. He commanded us to keep His seventh day Holy. He asked us to REMEMBER it. Do you know how the Sabbath was changed? There is clear documentation on it which I will be happy to provide if you want. Sunday worship does not come from the Bible. There is no scripture in the Bible asking us to keep the first day Holy or that it’s God’s Sabbath- His chosen day.

Sabbath is a day we dedicate getting to know Him.

Mathew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness

How do we know Him? By studying His Word, praying and keeping Sabbath a day about worship Leviticus 23:3 Isaiah 66:23 and sharing with others. Acts 17:2

We know we are abiding in God’s love when we keep His commandments. John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

There is “another spirit” out there and how we know which one we are following is when we keep God’s laws and God’s Words and not commandments of man.
Both want our souls, only Jesus leads to eternal life, the other to destruction.

I know I post this a lot but it’s one of the last verses in the Bible. I do not think its there by accident.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God bless
 
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God’s commandments are not ceremonial laws. They are His moral laws which are eternal. Mathew 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ God spoke His Sabbath commandment along with the other 9 laws that is now written in our hearts Hebrews 8:3 in the New Covenant. Same laws but magnified and with different promises. We are saved by grace, we do not obey to be saved, we obey because we are saved out of our love for God. God bless
Did you miss all the times I made the distinction between the Ten Commandments, which NT believers are not free to violate, and the Levitical ceremonial laws which were temporarily added to the Abrahamic covenant (Galatians 4:19) and have expired with the Mosaic Covenant (Hebrews 8:13)?
 
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Who cares what the flesh can know?

Romans 6:4-11, "Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life.

For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united in the likeness of his resurrection. We know that our old man was crucified with him so that the body of sin would no longer dominate us, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. (For someone who has died has been freed from sin.)

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that since Christ has been raised from the dead, he is never going to die again; death no longer has mastery over him. For the death he died, he died to sin once for all, but the life he lives, he lives to God. So you too consider yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus."

Well, since we are in the flesh, and we speak to others(at least should) who do not have the Spirit, it would be wise to understand.
 
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Hi Pasifika -

The New Birth - the New Heart etc - is what makes that happen.

Jesus supernaturally "draws all mankind" to him - John 12:32

The "Few" of Matt 7 respond and the "many" of Matt 7 do not

Rom 10
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Rom 2
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Thanks Bob, yes that's why we need a new birth (spirit) because our first birth (flesh) is ruled by sin which made us "unholy"...
And its Gods work to made us "holy"...so if we are Not holy then we cannot keep or do anything holy i.e keep his Sabbath day holy...

Thanks
 
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In saying this, it means the Commandments of God is really God giving a commandment to Christ. That doesn’t really make sense, does it?
No more than the commandments of God in the sacrifices which Christ fulfilled in the NT were God giving a commandment to Christ.
Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
In the NT it is every day, all day, full-time, not just once a week, that we observe God's full-time (Heb 4:3b-4) Sabbath rest!

How much better and more glorious is that!
Let's not diminish God's glory in his NT full-time Sabbath-rest.

Isaiah 66:22-23 - "As the new heavens and earth that I make will endure before me. . .From one New Moon to another, from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before me to worship."

"From one New Moon to another, from Sabbath to Sabbath". . .is without interruption--full-time, as in Jesus' fulfillment of God's own full-time (Heb 4:3b-4) Sabbath-rest, into which we enter in his salvation-rest from our work to save and in his finished work which has saved (Heb 3:7-4:11).
 
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I think it can exist. Just in a different form. I will not allow my grandkids to play with knives when they are at my house. However, I do not have any grandkids at this time.

We will exist forever with Him though, so the thing commanded never ceases to exist really.

Also to think about is that just because a commandment does not elicit a response does not mean what it commands does not exist.

I do not have to tell my kids to not eat broccoli - they will do that naturally. :)
I see it differently, I don't think it can exist.

If I make a commandment that my grandkids not play with knives when I do not even have children, imo that commandment does not exist, just the potential for a commandment does.

Now, the commandment that your grandkids not play with knives, I'm assuming is not an aspect of a larger commandment, that no children play with knives.

If it is, then God's commandment to keep the Sabbath could be seen as an aspect of his nature, which is eternal.

Or, we could say that since God is not a physical object, time does not apply to him. There is no past or future, all things are happening in the present from his perspective.

But from our human perspective, the commandment arrived through Moses, so there was a time that from our perspective it was not.
 
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Shiloh has come and the law has departed from Judah.

That Gen.49:10 verse about Shiloh's coming has not yet come to pass, the gathering of the people has not happened yet which is what the joining of the two sticks back together in the holy land is about...

Ezek 37:15-28
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, 'Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?'

19 Say unto them, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in Mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:


22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:


23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and My servant David shall be their prince for ever.


26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
KJV



The nation of Israel in the middle east today HAS NO KING or PRINCE.

God's sanctuary in the holy land on earth (for the "thousand years" of Rev.20 when Jesus returns in our near future) is not there yet, which is the subject of Ezekiel 40 through 47.

The two sticks have NOT... been joined back together yet today.

The orthodox unbelieving Jews, and their crept in unawares in the Church are TRYING... to make people believe that has already happened in the middle east, when the only ones returning to today's state of Israel are Jews of the "house of Judah" that split from Israel long ago, and also strangers that became religious Jews back in history.

The crept in unawares are also TRYING to convince those in Christ that this has happened at Christ's 1st coming and spreading of The Gospel (your view about Shiloh as expressed in your post).
 
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By your logic, we can't trust what you post and you can't trust yourself, because "the flesh can't know". How can anyone be converted to Christianity if they can't trust their own eyes and ears, and their own intuition? They can't. "The flesh can't know" is a circular argument that goes nowhere and you're being disingenuous, because you already know the answer.
  • God created us with brains that allow us to come to reasonable conclusions on any subject.
  • God gives us the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of truth.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.​
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
 
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The Scriptures presented do not regard them as lost.

The ten lost tribes of the house of Israel are called 'lost' because they are indeed lost... to the Jews of the house of Judah, and to the secular world. They are not lost to God, and never have been, and per Amos 9:8-15 God said He will in final gather the ten tribes and plant back in the lands He promised their fathers.

Amos 9:8-15
8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.

9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.


10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, 'The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.'

11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:


12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by My name, saith the LORD that doeth this.


13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

14 And I will bring again the captivity of My people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
KJV


That is referring to the office of a 'king' in the holy land once again. We see NO king there today in the state of Israel. And per Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, there is going to be a false one coming first there in Jerusalem to TRY and play god-king, prior to Christ Jesus' 2nd coming.


Israel's possession of the remnant of Edom, and all the heathen called by God's Name is about the gathering of the believing Gentiles on Christ Jesus when God gathers all of believing Israel back to the holy land when Jesus comes.

Isa 49:22
22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up Mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up My standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.
KJV

Isa 54:2-3
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
KJV


Obviously then, there is still MUCH prophecy written in the OT prophets that is still yet to come to pass, and we as Christians are expected to know it.
 
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1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Exactly. The Holy Spirit.

  • God gives us the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of truth.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
 
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Exactly. The Holy Spirit.
Amen
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
 
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But from our human perspective, the commandment arrived through Moses, so there was a time that from our perspective it was not.

Exodus 20:11 says that it is from Eden. Genesis 2:1-3

What is interesting is that scholars in almost all Christian denominations on planet Earth - appear to agree with that Bible detail. see it on this thread #1
 
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