Why the Resurrection matters by N.T. Wright

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This may seem strange to place this in the eschatology forum, but I've noticed that it seems to be commonly lost that Jesus's death and resurrection was extremely key to what we believe about eschatology. N. T. Wright explains that importance here, in this video:

 

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This may seem strange to place this in the eschatology forum, but I've noticed that it seems to be commonly lost that Jesus's death and resurrection was extremely key to what we believe about eschatology. N. T. Wright explains that importance here, in this video:

Without the resurrection, there is no salvation. From my experience, people do not realize that Jesus dying on the cross doesn't save anybody.
 
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This may seem strange to place this in the eschatology forum, but I've noticed that it seems to be commonly lost that Jesus's death and resurrection was extremely key to what we believe about eschatology. N. T. Wright explains that importance here, in this video:


It is Jesus who put the emphasis on the resurrection. It was His defining miracle, the murder of an innocent man, raised by the Father to walk in heaven with Him.

The emphasis is conquering death which would be meaningless if Jesus had stayed dead.
What is significant was Jesus did not raise Himself from the grave, as he did Lazarus, so the event defined Gods involvement in the cross and death, as well as Jesus's ministry.

Some look to Jesus's morality as the gift to the world, so they might live well.
Jesus brought alive morality but morality of various sorts has always existed, it is innate within society as social creatures have to interact in a consistent way with trust for business to successfully be transacted.

It may strike one as odd, that some want Jesus the moral teacher and not Jesus the son of God, the Lord of creation and source of life. If one acknowledges one why not the other? Because there is a divide between the Kingdom of God and the world, and only the elect step over this, from death to life.

You will only get the argument for the light from people of the light, which is a typical example of a biased argument, on both sides. Only when we actually meet the Lord will this finally be put to rest.

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Without the resurrection, there is no salvation. From my experience, people do not realize that Jesus dying on the cross doesn't save anybody.
Then I guess they've never read this passage:

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
 
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Then I guess they've never read this passage:

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Many don't read. And there are those that do who do not believe what it says. And others say they believe what it says, but do not live in response to that truth.
 
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Without the resurrection, there is no salvation. From my experience, people do not realize that Jesus dying on the cross doesn't save anybody.
My screen-name avatar that I made is a cross with a empty grave, stone rolled aside. The gospel of salvation message.
 
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My screen-name avatar that I made is a cross with an empty grave, the stone rolled aside. The gospel of salvation message.
Cool. Sin, death, forgiveness, and the restoration of the life of God. The Gospel.
 
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Then I guess they've never read this passage:

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Some claim only a spiritual resurrection like amil, who do not view Christ's resurrection as physical but only spiritual. If the resurrection of Jesus Christ, was physical, then the soul is given a permanent body at physical death. Jesus Christ and the OT church, nor the NT church are waiting for the Second Coming for a physical incorruptible bodily resurrection. The Second Coming is the complete church glorified as one body.

If the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was physical, then all resurrections of the dead, including the soul passing from death to life is not just physical. Otherwise Jesus will not have a physical body until the Second Coming.
 
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Some claim only a spiritual resurrection like amil, who do not view Christ's resurrection as physical but only spiritual.

Provide a quote of any amil who "does not view Christ's resurrection as physical but only spiritual".

Name, source, date, link.
 
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Some claim only a spiritual resurrection like amil, who do not view Christ's resurrection as physical but only spiritual.

Provide a quote of any amil who "does not view Christ's resurrection as physical but only spiritual".

Name, source, date, link.

Just another dispen delusion.
 
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Provide a quote of any amil who "does not view Christ's resurrection as physical but only spiritual".

Name, source, date, link.
You a do not apply that thought to those in Christ. Paul says that is wrong. We do apply the physical resurrection to our own condition when the soul leaves the corruptible flesh. If you apply that teaching to Christ, then it applies to those in Christ. Paul states if you deny it about yourself, you are denying it about Christ as well.
 
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You a do not apply that thought to those in Christ. Paul says that is wrong. We do apply the physical resurrection to our own condition when the soul leaves the corruptible flesh. If you apply that teaching to Christ, then it applies to those in Christ. Paul states if you deny it about yourself, you are denying it about Christ as well.

Name, source, date, link.

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So you do not deny it.

Those in Christ, the church both OT and NT are in physical incorruptible bodies in Paradise. I agree. Thank you for the confirmation.

You've apparently forgotten what this conversation was about.

So go back and review it.

Then provide a...

Name, source, date, link.

Awaiting.
 
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You've apparently forgotten what this conversation was about.

So go back and review it.

Then provide a...

Name, source, date, link.

Awaiting.
No I have not forgotten that those who deny a physical resurrection deny the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ. That is Paul's claim, not mine. Since you will not admit it, then you accept those in Paradise are in incorruptible physical bodies exactly the same as Jesus Christ.

You are the one refusing not to incriminate yourself, which is a wise choice. If you did, you would have your own name, source, date, and link.
 
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