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Not that I am agreeing with Courts more radical apporach but if you read the article she talking about the Safe Schools Program as one example of how transgender ideology is being psuhed onto children and thuse this was seen by many as a form of brain indoctrination similar to how communist only allow certain narratives so that only one idea is being allwoed to be heard which will gradually cause people to believe in the lies.

She is not saying that transgender activists are like Hitler as in externmminating people but it is more like how the properganda machine was used to indoctrinate people into their ideas. On this count there are many non-religious people who agre. Programs like safe schools that pushed this ideology was even recognised by the government as over the top and pushing ideas that were not based in science. For example

Why children are being indoctrinated with gender ideology in kindergarten
Our school system has been conformed to a new reality by the political and social pressures around it. Douglas Murray in his book, ‘The Madness of Crowds’, tells us that a ‘postmodern vacuum’ has pulled into our society a new narrative of meaning. He writes:

The interpretation of the world through the lens of ‘social justice, identity group politics’ and ‘intersectionalism’ is probably the most audacious and comprehensive effort since the end of the Cold War at creating a new ideology.

We now have a cadre of teachers who are wholeheartedly dedicated to promoting Gender Ideology, the earlier the better.

Social justice activism has become the pedagogical driver by which Gender Ideology is promoted in schools.

It’s never too early to start teaching social justice, even before your child enters grade one. Anyone who questions the ’process or goal’ of social justice is sidelined or silenced quickly with powerful weapons of social coercion. Douglas Murray put it plainly;

. . . , anybody who got in the way of this new direction of travel found themselves mown down with astonishing vigour. The weapons at hand (accusations of racism, sexism, homophobia and finally transphobia) were all too easy to wield and there was no price to pay for wielding them unfairly, unjustifiably or indeed frivolously.


This kind of social activism which ‘justifies the means by its end’ is dangerous socially and politically.

We’ve seen it before. Hannah Arendt’s caution is applicable today:

Totalitarian solutions may well survive the fall of totalitarian regimes in the form of strong temptations which will come up whenever it seems impossible to alleviate political, social, or economic misery in a manner worthy of man.
Hannah Arendt – The Origins of Totalitarianism


Hannah Arendt knew what she was talking about and anyone with a child in the public education system is finding out.

Why children are being indoctrinated with gender ideology in kindergarten
Court wrote that? No wonder she's being condemned.
 
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Actually the concordence seems to be less at around 20%. But even if it was 45% that still isnt enough as to substanciate a genetic basis for same sex orientation it would have to be 100% as any deviation especially over 50% means that it is more likly to be other factors.

68.5% Homosexual orientation in twins: a report on 61 pairs and three triplet sets
F L Whitam 1, M Diamond, J Martin Homosexual orientation in twins 1993Arch Sex Behav

58% K S Kendler 1, L M Thornton, S E Gilman, R C Sexual orientation in a U.S. national sample of twin and nontwin sibling pairs
Am J Psychiatry 2000

52% M King, E McDonald Homosexuals who are twins. 2002 Br J Psychiatry

55% Kendler KS, Thornton LM, Gilman SE, Kessler RC. Sexual orientation in a U.S. national sample of twin and nontwin sibling pairs. Am J Psychiatry. 2000

56% Pillard RC, Weinrich JD. Evidence of familial nature of male homosexuality.
Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2006

60.5% Rodríguez-Larralde A, Paradisi I. Influence of genetic factors on human sexual orientation. Invest Clin. 2009


As far as epigenetic influences in the expression of genes this is more complex in being able to establish the causes as there can be a number of influences on prenatal and early years of development. This can be mothers lifestyle including stresses, toxins, chemicals before and directly after birth ect. But none of this a true genetic cause as it doesnt change the underlying gene in the offspring.
do you even know the function of the epigenome?

But even so these factors speak of unnatural affects that cause normal development to be affected and certainly dont support an argument that changes in sexual oritenation is a normal human variant
only those engaged in justifying hate and discrimination use phrases like unnatural when talking about minorities

by more likely a disturbed prenatal development that has caused a change to the usual trajectory.
of which there is zero evidence

To say that homosexuality is a genetically normal variant seems aganst evolution of survival of the fittest and that species aim is to pass their genes onto the next generation as same sex relationships will not produce off springs.
this shows you have a faulty understanding of evolution as well as genetics
On The Influence of Genetic Factors on the Formation of Homosexuality by Data of Twin Studies
Results of twin studies are presented; these demonstrate that in a number of cases genetic effects can play a role of mild predisposing factors for the development of homosexuality, but the main part in its formation is accounted for by psychological and social factors..
The opinion that genetic factors play the only and dominant role in the genesis of homosexuality does not hold water due to the fact that if it were so then their concordance for homosexuality in monozygotic twins would be 100 %, but it is not observed in reality. The studies conducted with the correct selection of examinees revealed 20 % of the concordance for homosexuality in male monozygotic twins and 24 % in female ones (
Bailey, J.M., et al.
i don't know who you are quoting but it's not Bailey.

" Homosexual male probands with monozygotic cotwins, dizygotic cotwins, or adoptive brothers were recruited using homophile publications. Sexual orientation of relatives was assessed either by asking relatives directly, or when this was impossible, asking the probands. Of the relatives whose sexual orientation could be rated, 52% (29/56) of monozygotic cotwins, 22% (12/54) of dizygotic cotwins, and 11% (6/57) of adoptive brothers were homosexual."
A Genetic Study of Male Sexual Orientation J. M. Bailey


"Sexual orientation is heavily influenced by biology and male homosexuality is most likely inborn." Sexual Orientation, Controversy and Science J.M. Bailey
 
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Court wrote that? No wonder she's being condemned.
No the article that I have linked here is not written by Court. It is written by professionals and parents concerned about how children are having trangender ideology pushed on them. I posted that to show you that even mainstream support is given to the idea that ideas like the Safe School Program had elements of brain washing similar to what Court was saying. What I am saying is that though Court is extreme in her example she is not wrong in that transgender ideology is pushing its propaganda onto children.

But we are getting way off track and jumping on some posse wagon to condemn someone rather than look at the the point that was made. Court was also condemned like many other people who dont express the same extreme views as Court for just saying they oppose same sex marriage or that a male can magically become a female. Like J. k. Rowlings and Chris Pratt and many more who have been sacked from their jobs or attacked on social media. All they said was they disagreed and people demanded their heads.
 
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68.5% Homosexual orientation in twins: a report on 61 pairs and three triplet sets
F L Whitam 1, M Diamond, J Martin Homosexual orientation in twins 1993Arch Sex Behav
this study is too old and thus unreliable compared to today’s studies. The ENCORE results which sequenced the entire human genome were not available until 2004.
58% K S Kendler 1, L M Thornton, S E Gilman, R C Sexual orientation in a U.S. national sample of twin and nontwin sibling pairs Am J Psychiatry 2000
yet the same study shows a lower concordance rate.

The concordance rate for nonheterosexual sexual orientation in monozygotic twins found in this sample (31.6%) is similar to that found in the one previous general population twin study.

The study also suffers from important limitations which makes it not an ideal comparison.
However, this sample also has five potentially important limitations. First, the assessment of the complex phenotype of sexual orientation with a single item is far from ideal. Fourth, the small number of cases of nonheterosexual sexual orientation made it impossible to examine gender differences in the causes of sexual orientation with any statistical power

52% M King, E McDonald Homosexuals who are twins. 2002 Br J Psychiatry
cannot find much on this paper but the fact it is nearly 20 years old and has such a small sample of only 46 is a limitation.

55% Kendler KS, Thornton LM, Gilman SE, Kessler RC. Sexual orientation in a U.S. national sample of twin and nontwin sibling pairs. Am J Psychiatry. 2000
this is the same study as above which actually states a lower concordance rate.

56% Pillard RC, Weinrich JD. Evidence of familial nature of male homosexuality.
Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2006
this study was not about genetics but just a questionnaire about familial differences. This is also a very old paper. For academic rigor should have papers no older than 10 years.

60.5% Rodríguez-Larralde A, Paradisi I. Influence of genetic factors on human sexual orientation. Invest Clin. 2009
this paper isn’t about the concordance between twins and non-twins but rather research in trying to find a gene that causes homosexuality.

do you even know the function of the epigenome?
Yes it consists of chemical compounds that can alter the genome or the expression of specific genes. But it does not change the underlying gene so it is not something that gets passed down from parents as a gene change but more of an expression of a gene that may be altered for a number of reason that are usually environmental such as the mothers stress levels or diet ect.

only those engaged in justifying hate and discrimination use phrases like unnatural when talking about minorities
Then that must make many medical professionals hateful and descriminating because that is where I got the language from. When it comes to these ideologies we have to tell the truth as pretending that a medical problem that causes problems with the normal development or allows an unnatural situation to happen needs to be identified to ensure proper diagnosis and treatment is give.

But what happens with gender ideology is that it tries to make out that the natural state of humans is somehow not real and that there are spectrums for biological sex and therefore there is no binary male and female. This leads to all sorts of problems such as misdisgnosis which causes more harm. Here are examples of how this language is used in medical disagnosis. So why do we use it for all other areas and then want to ploiticize the language when it comes to gender and biological sex.

There may be chromosomal abnormalities that may lead to gender dysphoria.
Causes of Gender Dysphoria
When we consume grains, our blood sugar shoots up unnaturally high Grains: Their Unnatural Effect on Blood Sugar & How To Happily Avoid Them | Dr John on Health
For men and women the process of aging or experiencing unnaturally low levels of testosterone can contribute to poor and worsening bone and muscle health.
Testosterone for Women - Balance My Hormones

of which there is zero evidence
I have researched this area before. As well as the mothers stresses and diet ect there can also be toxins in the environment that cause increases and descreases in noral levels of hormones which can affect testosteronre and estrogen levels bus feminising and macscullinizing fetuses and developing infants. For example

Homosexuality May Start in the Womb

Instead, as an embryo develops, sex-related genes are turned on and off in response to fluctuating levels of hormones in the womb, produced by both mother and child. According to the hypothesis, homosexuality may be a carry-over from one's parents' own prenatal resistance to the hormones of the opposite sex. The "epi-marks" that adjusted parental genes to resist excess testosterone, for example, may alter gene activation in areas of the child's brain involved in sexual attraction and preference.
Homosexuality May Start in the Womb

Gender Fluidity and Hormone Disruptors
Recent evidence indicates that thalates from plastic and polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) are one of many factors predicting gender dysphoria, particularly in the case of male-to-female transgenders.
Another candidate is pharmaceuticals. This phenomenon emerged in connection with the contraceptive drug diethylstilbesterol. Mothers who were unaware of their pregnancy continued to take the drug. It was found to have masculinizing effects on the brains of female fetuses.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...201911/gender-fluidity-and-hormone-disruptors


Minireview: Hormones and Human Sexual Orientation

A potential implication of the embryonic hormonal environment in the control of sexual orientation is also supported by studies of various clinical disorders that affect the endocrine system during fetal life. In some cases, these early endocrine disruptions lead to a complete sex reversal, so that, postnatally, subjects are raised assuming a sex (gender) that is opposite to their genetic sex.
Minireview: Hormones and Human Sexual Orientation


The Biological Basis of Human Sexual Orientation: Is There a Role for Epigenetics?

The proportion of adult CAH women who identify as lesbian is many times higher than in the general population and is correlated with prenatal androgenization
http://biology-web.nmsu.edu/~houde/biological basis of sexual orientation.pdf

this shows you have a faulty understanding of evolution as well as genetics
Yet many biologist agree with me. They could not work out why such a variant would be selected. There was no reason natural selection would select a trait that did not pass on genes and help the species survive. As some genes do more than one job they have hypothesized that perhaps there is a linked benefit which was slected for like with malria resistence and spina bifida. But that has not been verified.

i don't know who you are quoting but it's not Bailey.

" Homosexual male probands with monozygotic cotwins, dizygotic cotwins, or adoptive brothers were recruited using homophile publications. Sexual orientation of relatives was assessed either by asking relatives directly, or when this was impossible, asking the probands. Of the relatives whose sexual orientation could be rated, 52% (29/56) of monozygotic cotwins, 22% (12/54) of dizygotic cotwins, and 11% (6/57) of adoptive brothers were homosexual."
A Genetic Study of Male Sexual Orientation J. M. Bailey

"Sexual orientation is heavily influenced by biology and male homosexuality is most likely inborn." Sexual Orientation, Controversy and Science J.M. Bailey
What your not getting is it doesnt really matter whether its 33%, 45%, 50 plus %. The results need to be 100% of the time to verify a genetic connection because the underlying genetics codes don't happen sometimes. They should happen everytime if homosexuality is caused by a gene. If some of the finding dont line up in some of the twins then this dispels the gene link and opens the door for other possibilities.

Even if it is a epigenetic cause this is not because of an innate reason but more about a lifestyle reason as epigenetics is more related to the types of conditions parents/grand parents are subjected such as diet, stress, and pathogens. As I have shown above its more likely a combination of factors but it seems most likely to do with changes in hormones which are either increased or reduced from their usualy development and thus increasing the maculine and feminity and attractions for opposite sexes.
 
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Gender/transgender ideology? Man, you really have no clue.

You only have your bigoted position because of your religion. You have no facts or science on your side.
Yet many non-religion people including professionals speak the same way and have no axe to grind except get the truth and facts out there. All your doing is the same thing as some are doing in making out speaking the truth and facts is being bigoted which is not allowing the truth to be spoken.

American Academy of Paediatrics, The British Government, the Republican Party research institute, the National Health Service in Britain and the Royal College of General Practitioners all agree that the claims from transgender supporters is an ideology as it lacks scientific evidence.
 
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I have have you. Tell me why it is junk. But like I said the American College of Pediatricians support the fact that transgender ideology is unscientific and harmful to children and they are the one organisation who know what they are talking about.
Despite its name, the American College of Pediatricians is a conservative advocacy group, with a couple of hundred members (Wikipedia). It shouldn't be confused with the American Academy of Pediatricians, which is a major professional organization for pediatricians.
 
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any evidence to support this claim?
Yeah there’s plenty. For example as the transgender ideology is being pushed onto children through schools any school that doesn’t conform risk lawsuits and individual teachers losing their jobs. This is forcing an unscientific ideology onto society which the science points to harming children in the name of political correctness.

For example the ideology is being pushed on children in schools so all teachers have to get on board or risk being singled out and labelled as transphobic and losing their job. With threats of lawsuits and being sacked over their heads do you really think anyone is going to challenge this ideology.
The Obama administration is planning to issue a sweeping directive telling every public school district in the country to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity.
It does not have the force of law, but it contains an implicit threat: Schools that do not abide by the Obama administration’s interpretation of the law could face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid.
U.S. Directs Public Schools to Allow Transgender Access to Restrooms (Published 2016)

Then there are the doctors who are in the same suitation. Doctors cannot even follow their professional judgements that is based on their learning of the science because someone else has determined what is best based on a subjective idea of reality. They have top pretend that a man is a women and risk misdiagnosing them because women have different biology to men. But they cannot even suggest that any testing should be done based on the trans patients biological sex as they could be sacked if the pateint complains.
The Department of Health and Human Services also got in on the act. Last month it issued a new regulation that redefines Obamacare's ban on sex discrimination in health care so that it also applies to gender identity. This requires doctors to participate in gender-reassignment therapies and surgeries even when doing so would go against their considered medical judgment, their consciences, or their religious beliefs.

But its also spreading to businesses where business owners are being forced not only to promote this unscientific ideology but enfore the language that goes with it. Imagine business owners going arongs ensuring employees and even customers dont use the wrong pronouns because they will be fined. Its more reminiscent of a totalitarian regime like Communist China.

The New York City Commission on Human Rights recently issued official legal guidance saying that employers can be fined as much as $250,000 for not addressing employees by the pronoun of their choice - including pronouns such as ze and hir. As UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh explains, this would require "employers and businesses to prevent [the use of 'wrong' pronouns] by coworkers and patrons and not just by themselves or their own employees."

Biden has signed these ideologies into law so we should see a lot more of this crazyness happening. I am all for allowing transgender and those with various gender identies their rights but not at the expense of others especiall women and children. Women are the biggest losers as they are also a minority that have been descriminated against especially by males. Now males can undermine their rights agains by occupying their spaces and claiming rights as women at the expense of real biological women.

A system of gender self-identification would put women at risk.
These changes, after thousands of years of sex-based definitions, are happening with a minimum of political scrutiny. Public debate about them is deliberately impeded by a toxic and authoritarian atmosphere in which serious, repeated attempts have been made to silence and sideline dissenting voices, particularly those of women.

The allegation of transphobia is not only being made against those who are actually hateful towards trans people, but is now used for anyone who dares dissent from the claims of this ideology or who supports sex-based rights. Being labelled transphobic can lead to harassment, and harm one’s reputation and career. That fear greatly affects people’s willingness to speak out.

A system of gender self-identification would put women at risk

And just one last example perhaps the most radical. According to transgender ideology a CIS man must be willing to date a transwomen otherwise they are transphobic. So looks like the majoirty of CIS males are bigots because the majoirty said they would not date or bed a transperson. Or maybe they just recognise the reality that a man cannot really be a women and when this crazy ideology is applied to real life situations most people know its unreal.

This is just another example of how the ideology is being pushed deeper into society and if anyone disagrees they are attacked and have their reputations destroyed under the guise of people promoting social justice. So people are afraid to speak the truth.

Consider the trans-rights mantra that 'transwomen are women'. It means that someone who feels themselves to be a woman, who says they are a woman, is a woman, full stop. That person’s biology is irrelevant, because the idea of gender trumps the fact of sex. It’s not necessary or even common for transwomen to have sexual reassignment surgery.
If you’re a man who is sexually excited by women with breasts and vaginas, would you be aroused by someone who had neither?

You might not be completely flabbergasted to learn that 87.5 per cent of the respondents said they would only consider 'cis' people as potential sexual partners.

Some women have penises. If you won’t sleep with them you’re transphobic | The Spectator
 
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Despite its name, the American College of Pediatricians is a conservative advocacy group, with a couple of hundred members (Wikipedia). It shouldn't be confused with the American Academy of Pediatricians, which is a major professional organization for pediatricians.
Yes SilverBear pointed this out. But I thought this was a logical fallacy because it dismissed what they said based on association rather than addressing what they actually said. When we do look at what they said it is in line with other non conservative sources as I also pointed out.
 
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Yet many non-religion people including professionals speak the same way and have no axe to grind except get the truth and facts out there. All your doing is the same thing as some are doing in making out speaking the truth and facts is being bigoted which is not allowing the truth to be spoken.

American Academy of Paediatrics, The British Government, the Republican Party research institute, the National Health Service in Britain and the Royal College of General Practitioners all agree that the claims from transgender supporters is an ideology as it lacks scientific evidence.
Heh, no.
 
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Even if it is a epigenetic cause this is not because of an innate reason but more about a lifestyle reason as epigenetics is more related to the types of conditions parents/grand parents are subjected such as diet, stress, and pathogens. As I have shown above its more likely a combination of factors but it seems most likely to do with changes in hormones which are either increased or reduced from their usualy development and thus increasing the maculine and feminity and attractions for opposite sexes.
But by the time the kid is involved with sexuality it's a bit late to change their parents' prenatal lifestyle. From a practical point of view there's no difference between genetics and epigenetics.

I think the mainstream view has always been that we don't understand what makes people gay, but there are likely to be a number of contributing factors.
 
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OK just 'No'. Nothing further, just a dismissal as though this has some weight about it. Considering that 'ïdeology' means
An ideology is a collection of ideas or beliefs shared by a group of people. It may be a connected set of ideas, or a style of thought, or a world-view.
Ideology

I think this is a good description of the ideas and beliefs that influences the way transgender/gender groups think, act and view the world. They have a particular worldview just like religious or political groups do such as socialists, communists, liberals, conservatives ect.

Ttransgender and gender ideology not based on science but rather a belief about how the world should be, how human nature and biological sex and gender should be. But the science that we have used since humans walked the earth and for all other species contradicts this ideology. Therefroe the ideology has a belief in that humans can identify and change sex just be believing and feeling so and there is medical treatment based on this belief. But as mentioned some of the most reliable and science based sources also dispute the ideology as being not based in science. For example the Royal College of General Practitioners says

“There is a significant lack of robust, comprehensive evidence around the outcomes, side effects and unintended consequences of such treatments for people with gender dysphoria, particularly children and young people. There are currently significant gaps in evidence for nearly all aspects of clinical management of gender dysphoria in youth.






 
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But by the time the kid is involved with sexuality it's a bit late to change their parents' prenatal lifestyle. From a practical point of view there's no difference between genetics and epigenetics.
But its not too late to ensure the right treatment is given.

I think the mainstream view has always been that we don't understand what makes people gay, but there are likely to be a number of contributing factors.
I agree but what many are saying with trans and gender ideology is that there is no cause because its a noraml and natural variation of being human and there is only one treatment and that is to affirm anyone who feels out of touch with their bodies even though the science doesnt support this.

That means alternative treatments are being denied and transgender affirming treatments like puberty blockers and cross sex hormone therapy is the go to treatment. But there is little research verifying these treatments but they are still being pushed as the main treatment method.

Because the ideology is also being pushed on young children this is causing some to be confused and risking some being pushed down a path of transgender affirmation when they are only going through a normal questioning period of development. With dramatic increases in gender dysphoria there is a real concern that many are being misdiagnosed. As I posted above #691 even the Royal College of General Practitioners point out this concern. But so are many other organisations like the The National Insurance Scheme in Britain. So thank God that some are coming to their senses.

So the fact that we don't know a lot makes it even more important to stop any claims that have no scientific basis but rather are more politically or idealistically motivated. Like for example many gender affirming clinics claimed purberty blockers were completely reversible and were putting lots of kids on them. But they are not according to the science and can cause irreversible damage to the brain and bone development.

Are puberty blockers reversible? The NHS no longer says so
The new updated section on the NHS website is an improvement on older versions, the information is more accurate and fact-based, there is less ideology and more care is taken with language. It represents a step in the right direction and we welcome the positive changes.
Are puberty blockers reversible? The NHS no longer says so
 
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OK just 'No'. Nothing further, just a dismissal as though this has some weight about it. Considering that 'ïdeology' means
An ideology is a collection of ideas or beliefs shared by a group of people. It may be a connected set of ideas, or a style of thought, or a world-view.
Ideology

I think this is a good description of the ideas and beliefs that influences the way transgender/gender groups think, act and view the world. They have a particular worldview just like religious or political groups do such as socialists, communists, liberals, conservatives ect.

Ttransgender and gender ideology not based on science but rather a belief about how the world should be, how human nature and biological sex and gender should be. But the science that we have used since humans walked the earth and for all other species contradicts this ideology. Therefroe the ideology has a belief in that humans can identify and change sex just be believing and feeling so and there is medical treatment based on this belief. But as mentioned some of the most reliable and science based sources also dispute the ideology as being not based in science. For example the Royal College of General Practitioners says

“There is a significant lack of robust, comprehensive evidence around the outcomes, side effects and unintended consequences of such treatments for people with gender dysphoria, particularly children and young people. There are currently significant gaps in evidence for nearly all aspects of clinical management of gender dysphoria in youth.





Tl, dr.
 
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OK just 'No'. Nothing further, just a dismissal as though this has some weight about it. Considering that 'ïdeology' means
An ideology is a collection of ideas or beliefs shared by a group of people. It may be a connected set of ideas, or a style of thought, or a world-view.
Ideology

I think this is a good description of the ideas and beliefs that influences the way transgender/gender groups think, act and view the world. They have a particular worldview just like religious or political groups do such as socialists, communists, liberals, conservatives ect.

Ttransgender and gender ideology not based on science but rather a belief about how the world should be, how human nature and biological sex and gender should be. But the science that we have used since humans walked the earth and for all other species contradicts this ideology. Therefroe the ideology has a belief in that humans can identify and change sex just be believing and feeling so and there is medical treatment based on this belief. But as mentioned some of the most reliable and science based sources also dispute the ideology as being not based in science. For example the Royal College of General Practitioners says

“There is a significant lack of robust, comprehensive evidence around the outcomes, side effects and unintended consequences of such treatments for people with gender dysphoria, particularly children and young people. There are currently significant gaps in evidence for nearly all aspects of clinical management of gender dysphoria in youth.


Here is the source of the last quote.
https://www.rcgp.org.uk/-/media/Fil...-care-position-statement-june-2019.ashx?la=en
https://www.rcgp.org.uk/-/media/Fil...-care-position-statement-june-2019.ashx?la=en. It appears to be talking about not just puberty blockers, but further hormone treatment. Further, the statement is not associated with a recommendation against their use, but is part of a list of challenges to GPs in dealing with gender issues.

Evidence is sufficiently limited that ideology affects interpretation.
 
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Here is the source of the last quote.
https://www.rcgp.org.uk/-/media/Fil...-care-position-statement-june-2019.ashx?la=en. It appears to be talking about not just puberty blockers, but further hormone treatment. Further, the statement is not associated with a recommendation against their use, but is part of a list of challenges to GPs in dealing with gender issues.

Evidence is sufficiently limited that ideology affects interpretation.
The overall impression I get is that there is a lot of unknowns. They do mention specifically that more research is needed and that children are being sent to treatments where there are unknown risks . But it seems the literature is full of contradictions and inconsistencies. The same clinics that promote puberty blockers also say there are unknown risks. IE

The Endocrine Society, a professional medical organization based in Washington, DC, recently stipulated that children under sixteen years old can safely begin hormone treatment therapy; even though its own research indicates that there are insufficient data to support its recommendations.

“The bottom line is we don’t really know how sex hormones impact any adolescent’s brain development, We know that there’s a lot of brain development between childhood and adulthood, but it’s not clear what’s behind that.”

When Transgender Kids Transition, Medical Risks are Both Known and Unknown

So it seems that some are knowingly recommending treatments that may have risks almost like treating kids as guinea pigs in some sort of lab test. The concern I see is that all discenting voices are being silenced so it has been hard to highlight these issues without someone being shot down as some sort of bigot.

The significant lack of evidence for treatments and interventions which may be offered to people with dysphoria is a major issue facing this area of healthcare.
Gonadorelin (GnRH) analogues are one of the main types of treatment for young people with gender dysphoria. These have long been used to treat young children who start puberty too early, however less is known about their long-term safety in transgender adolescents. Children who have been on GnRH for a certain period of time and are roughly 16 years of age can be offered cross-sex hormones by the NHS, the effects of which can be irreversible.15 There is a significant lack of robust, comprehensive evidence around the outcomes, side effects and unintended consequences of such treatments for people with gender dysphoria, particularly children and young people,


The above is a common theme I have read across most literature. The fact that it comes from such a reputable source is concerning. It reminds me of how kids were overprecribed ADHD medication. This could be the new child abuse scandel except its the health system who have failed kids this time.

Nearly 1 million children potentially misdiagnosed with ADHD

Nearly 1 million children potentially misdiagnosed with ADHD.
 
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What your not getting is it doesnt really matter whether its 33%, 45%, 50 plus %. The results need to be 100% of the time to verify a genetic connection because the underlying genetics codes don't happen sometimes. They should happen everytime if homosexuality is caused by a gene. If some of the finding dont line up in some of the twins then this dispels the gene link and opens the door for other possibilities.

Eye color isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
Right/left handed isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
Sickle cell anemia isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
Blood type isn't 100% in monozygotic twins (it is exceptionally rare for monozygotic twins to have different blood types but it is possible, i found three separate cases of such a phenomena


Even if it is a epigenetic cause this is not because of an innate reason but more about a lifestyle reason as epigenetics is more related to the types of conditions parents/grand parents are subjected such as diet, stress, and pathogens. As I have shown above its more likely a combination of factors but it seems most likely to do with changes in hormones which are either increased or reduced from their usualy development and thus increasing the maculine and feminity and attractions for opposite sexes.
parental neonatal hormones stress/hormones would makes it inborn
 
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Yet many non-religion people including professionals speak the same way and have no axe to grind except get the truth and facts out there. All your doing is the same thing as some are doing in making out speaking the truth and facts is being bigoted which is not allowing the truth to be spoken.

American Academy of Paediatrics,
citation?

The British Government,
citation?

the National Health Service in Britain
citation?

and the Royal College of General Practitioners
citation?
 
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Yeah there’s plenty. For example as the transgender ideology is being pushed onto children through schools any school

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For example the ideology is being pushed on children in schools so all teachers have to get on board or risk being singled out and labelled as transphobic and losing their job.

nothing to do with your claim

your original claim was: "Any medical professional who suggests or tries to persue this line of treatment risks losing their reputation and jobs because radicals will hunt them down and claim trans or homophobia and call them bigots. "


Then there are the doctors who are in the same suitation. Doctors cannot even follow their professional judgements that is based on their learning of the science because someone else has determined what is best based on a subjective idea of reality. They have top pretend that a man is a women and risk misdiagnosing them because women have different biology to men. But they cannot even suggest that any testing should be done based on the trans patients biological sex as they could be sacked if the pateint complains.
The Department of Health and Human Services also got in on the act. Last month it issued a new regulation that redefines Obamacare's ban on sex discrimination in health care so that it also applies to gender identity. This requires doctors to participate in gender-reassignment therapies and surgeries even when doing so would go against their considered medical judgment, their consciences, or their religious beliefs.
Citation?

But its also spreading to businesses where business owners are being forced not only to promote this unscientific ideology but enfore the language that goes with it.
nothing to do with your claim.


Biden has signed these ideologies into law so we should see a lot more of this crazyness happening.
nothing to do with your claim


A system of gender self-identification would put women at risk.
nothing to do with your claim


And just one last example perhaps the most radical.
nothing to do with your claim
 
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Eye color isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
Right/left handed isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
Sickle cell anemia isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
Blood type isn't 100% in monozygotic twins (it is exceptionally rare for monozygotic twins to have different blood types but it is possible, i found three separate cases of such a phenomena


parental neonatal hormones stress/hormones would makes it inborn
This is an example of how the new ideology wants to disregard the real science then create a new normal and try to claim it is backed by science. The fact is all sources say that there is no clear gene for homosexuality or being lesbian.
 
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This is an example of how the new ideology wants to disregard the real science then create a new normal and try to claim it is backed by science. The fact is all sources say that there is no clear gene for homosexuality or being lesbian.
and no one ever claimed there was.

that doesn't change the fact that
Eye color isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
Right/left handed isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
Sickle cell anemia isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
Blood type isn't 100% in monozygotic twins
showing your claim that "The results need to be 100% of the time to verify a genetic connection" is is based on a disregard for science.


in the meantime - still waiting for you to provide all those citations.
 
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