What Is "To Be Without Guile"?

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Your threads are always good because they often deal in the subtleties of a particular text, imo. Word studies and such. I was trying to offer a good example of the value of navigating subtleties



No, of course not. :)
Okay, I get it. Thanks. I appreciate your responses also.
 
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Your threads are always good because they often deal in the subtleties of a particular text, imo. Word studies and such. I was trying to offer a good example of the value of navigating subtleties



No, of course not. :)
I had to go back to post #18 after seeing you rated it funny, when I had not meant to be.
Looking again, it was kind of funny, talking about trojan horses, there must be a trap door
in my brain.
 
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The carnal nature, as I attempted to describe, are subtle comments used for selfish reasons,
very often without a conscious intent to deceive, because the flesh is selfish and wants its way.
Just another reason why we should follow the advice to be "slow to speak".

Well, yeah, that makes sense. I suppose it can become second nature to subtly try and manipulate. I have known some folks who were so genuine and straightforward it was a bit surprising.
 
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Guile?
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John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and said of him,
Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth.

1 Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain
his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile.

I searched the scripture for this discussion on guile last year, I remember it well because I could see the shift in the attitude of the world as we went into this pandemic. This is when the Lord spoke to me about the devil's schemes.
My study led me to Ephesians 6:11 where Paul talks about the devil's schemes.

Our definition > Scheme
to make plans, especially in a devious way or with intent to do something illegal or wrong.

So where do I draw the line here;

Guile definition > guile
sly or cunning (having or showing skill in achieving one's ends by deceit or evasion.) intelligence.

I realized there must be a visible property connected to guile, so digging deeper revealed the answer.
-Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph-
46 "Nazareth! Can anything good come out of there?" Nathanael asked.
"Come and see," said Phillip.
When Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and said of him,
"Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!"
 
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I searched the scripture for this discussion on guile last year, I remember it well because I could see the shift in the attitude of the world as we went into this pandemic. This is when the Lord spoke to me about the devil's schemes.
My study led me to Ephesians 6:11 where Paul talks about the devil's schemes.

Our definition > Scheme
to make plans, especially in a devious way or with intent to do something illegal or wrong.

So where do I draw the line here;

Guile definition > guile
sly or cunning (having or showing skill in achieving one's ends by deceit or evasion.) intelligence.

I realized there must be a visible property connected to guile, so digging deeper revealed the answer.
-Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph-
46 "Nazareth! Can anything good come out of there?" Nathanael asked.
"Come and see," said Phillip.
When Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and said of him,
"Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!"

How then is this possible?I asked.

Jesus spoke these words to me in 2020, " Joseph I know what is in the heart of every person."
He asked me," Why do you believe, did I see you under a fig tree?"
You have something more powerful, you have my word in you heart.
For you have not seen me in the flesh yet you believe in me.
This gives me great joy.
 
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How then is this possible?I asked.

Jesus spoke these words to me in 2020, " Joseph I know what is in the heart of every person."
He asked me," Why do you believe, did I see you under a fig tree?"
You have something more powerful, you have my word in you heart.
For you have not seen me in the flesh yet you believe in me.
This gives me great joy.

Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault
before the throne of God.


This is the removal of all things that defile.
Mark 7:
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And He said, What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries,
fornications, murders,

22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit( dolos-guile), lewdness, an evil eye,
blasphemy, pride, foolishness.

23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.
 
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John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and said of him,
Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth.

1 Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain
his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile.
One reason dogs are so lovable --no guile.
 
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One reason dogs are so lovable --no guile.

Met a man once who did not believe in Jesus . He owned a dog that he loved so much that he cried for a day when the dog died. I said Richard you know your dog is in heaven because all dogs go to heaven. Needless to say he got saved right away I led him in a sinners prayer. Being over 90 years now he laughs when we talk cause he is going to meet Cooper soon.
 
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Met a man once who did not believe in Jesus . He owned a dog that he loved so much that he cried for a day when the dog died. I said Richard you know your dog is in heaven because all dogs go to heaven. Needless to say he got saved right away I led him in a sinners prayer. Being over 90 years now he laughs when we talk cause he is going to meet Cooper soon.
Well done! That's great!
 
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Well, yeah, that makes sense. I suppose it can become second nature to subtly try and manipulate. I have known some folks who were so genuine and straightforward it was a bit surprising.
I was given a polygraph test once, at the police station, where they asked certain questions, they had demanded that I answer in the negative, without lying -(questions like, "Have you ever lied about anything important?" "Have you ever done anything criminal for which you were never caught?" etc)- Even though I knew their 'game', and even though I had discussed what things might make me feel like I was lying, it was still impossible to avoid going through my mind and answer in the negative without intense adrenaline response. But what was most striking to me was to realize from this how much I didn't know that I mince my words, say things carefully instead of being forthright, all for the sake of outcome.
 
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Could Jesus’ remark in John 1:47 be partly or in the whole a tongue-in-cheek or humorously sarcastic remark, as an omniscient response to Nathanael’s question in the preceding verse?
That is an interesting observation! I do not believe Nathaniel was speaking in guile with that
comment, he was being perfectly honest, albeit incorrect. Everyone must receive correction,
i.e. Peter and the applicability of the Gospel to the Gentiles. If he would have said "Praise the
Lord, I can't wait to meet him", while thinking to himself, 'can anything good come out of
Nazareth', his insincerity would have been within himself, but soon exposed. You can't be
accused of subtlety or guile for saying it like it is to your understanding. You do have to
receive correction if you find that your opinion, or prejudice caused you to be in error.
Remember, while he was sarcastic about the title 'Jesus of Nazareth', in short order
he made the True Confession.

49 Nathanael answered and said to Him, Rabbi, You are the Son of God!
You are the King of Israel!
Now that is conversion therapy for ethnic bias!
 
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That is an interesting observation! I do not believe Nathaniel was speaking in guile with that
comment, he was being perfectly honest, albeit incorrect. Everyone must receive correction,
i.e. Peter and the applicability of the Gospel to the Gentiles. If he would have said "Praise the
Lord, I can't wait to meet him", while thinking to himself, 'can anything good come out of
Nazareth', his insincerity would have been within himself, but soon exposed. You can't be
accused of subtlety or guile for saying it like it is to your understanding. You do have to
receive correction if you find that your opinion, or prejudice caused you to be in error.
Remember, while he was sarcastic about the title 'Jesus of Nazareth', in short order
he made the True Confession.

49 Nathanael answered and said to Him, Rabbi, You are the Son of God!
You are the King of Israel!
Now that is conversion therapy for ethnic bias!

The answer is forming here. You see I am that man who many years ago full of guile, met him when a friend named Robert said to me, come meet the Savior of the World. I say to this savior today, You are truly the Son of God. Jesus my Lord.
And he says back to me, my friend and brother in you there is no guile.

Thank you Jesus.
 
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