20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

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It is those who wrongly believe the Jesus has made a Covenant with us now, who have no scriptural support.

Tertullian, Early defender of the true faith, 155-240 AD
Against Marcion, Book 5, Part 2
Referring to the Apostle Paul:
"...he did this to maintain the superiority of the glory of the New Testament, which is permanent in its glory, over that of the Old..."

The choice:
1. Those who reject the historical defense of the true faith.
2. Tertullian

Easy decision.
 
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The choice:
1. Those who reject the historical defense of the true faith.
2. Tertullian
There isn't a Book of Tertullian in the Bible.
What there is; is many scriptures that plainly tell us when, why and to whom the New Covenant will be made.

Your dismissal of those Prophesies in favor of the ramblings of anyone since the Canon of the Bible was settled, is a very serious matter and may redound to your discredit.
 
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There isn't a Book of Tertullian in the Bible.
What there is; is many scriptures that plainly tell us when, why and to whom the New Covenant will be made.

Your dismissal of those Prophesies in favor of the ramblings of anyone since the Canon of the Bible was settled, is a very serious matter and may redound to your discredit.

There isn't a Book of keras in the Bible.

Clement of Alexandria, Early defender of the true faith, 150-215 AD
Stromata, Book VI, Chapter V
"He made a new covenant with us; for what belonged to the Greeks and Jews is old. But we, who worship Him in a new way, in the third form, are Christians."

The choice:
1. Those who reject the historical defense of the true faith.
2. Clement of Alexandria

Easy decision.
 
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There isn't a Book of Tertullian in the Bible.
What there is; is many scriptures that plainly tell us when, why and to whom the New Covenant will be made.

Your dismissal of those Prophesies in favor of the ramblings of anyone since the Canon of the Bible was settled, is a very serious matter and may redound to your discredit.

The only thing we dismiss is your dangerous and erroneous rejection of the new covenant transaction Christ made on the cross.
 
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The only thing we dismiss is your dangerous and erroneous rejection of the new covenant transaction Christ made on the cross.
Dangerous?
I'll tell you what is dangerous; false beliefs about what God has planned for our future.
We should know about and be prepared for tremendous changes, coming to this world very soon!

Noted; that you don't scripturally support your belief that Jesus made a Covenant while on the Cross.
Don't think a Covenant between Jesus and His people can be Spiritual.
The OT plainly states when, why and to whom the NC will be made.
 
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Dangerous?
I'll tell you what is dangerous; false beliefs about what God has planned for our future.
keras, well said of just how we feel about your "literal" temple when God's word indicates he ended all brick and mortar temples forever.
 
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I previously posted the scriptural verses and description of those that decipher the difference between the literal (heiron) and the spiritual intent (naos) but have not listed the concordance and lexicon's description for "heiron" so I am doing so now.

Strong's Concordance: hieron: temple.
Original Word: ἱερόν, οῦ, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: hieron
Phonetic Spelling: (hee-er-on')
Definition: temple
Usage: a temple, either the whole building, or specifically the outer courts, open to worshipers.​

HELPS Word-studies
2411 hierón (from 2413 /hierós, "sacred") – the entire Temple complex, i.e. all its enclosures (precincts, courtyards) and the central sanctuary.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2411:
ἱερόν
ἱερόν, ἱεροῦ, τό (neuter of the adjective ἱερός, ἱερά, ἱερόν; cf. τό ἅγιον) (from Herodotus on), a sacred place, temple: of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus, Acts 19:27; of the temple at Jerusalem twice in the Sept., Ezekiel 45:19; 1 Chronicles 29:4; more frequent in the O. T. Apocrypha; in the N. T. often in the Gospels and Acts; once elsewhere, viz. 1 Corinthians 9:13.​

τό ἱερόν and ὁ ναός differ, in that the former designates the whole compass of the sacred enclosure, embracing the entire aggregate of buildings, balconies, porticos, courts (viz., that of the men or Israelites, that of the women, that of the priests), belonging to the temple; the latter designates the sacred edifice properly so called, consisting of two parts, the 'sanctuary' or 'Holy place' (which no one except the priests was allowed to enter), and the 'Holy of holies' or 'most holy place' (see ἅγιος, 1 a.) (which was entered only on the great day of atonement by the high priest alone); (cf. Trench, Synonyms, § iii.).​

ἱερόν is employed in the N. T. either explicitly of the whole temple, Matthew 12:6; Matthew 24:1; Mark 13:3; Luke 21:5; Luke 22:52; Acts 4:1; Acts 24:6; Acts 25:8; 1 Corinthians 9:13, etc.; or so that certain definite parts of it must be thought of, as the courts, especially where Jesus or the apostles are said to have gone up, or entered, 'into the temple,' to have taught or encountered adversaries, and the like, 'in the temple,' Matthew 21:12, 14; Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47; Luke 21:37; Luke 22:53; Luke 24:53; John 5:14; John 7:14, 28; John 8:20; John 18:20; Acts 3:2; Acts 5:20; Acts 21:26, etc.; of the courts and sanctuary, Matthew 12:5; of the court of the Gentiles, out of which Jesus drove the buyers and sellers and money-changers, Matthew 21:12; Mark 11:15; Luke 19:45; John 2:14ff; of the court of the women, Luke 2:37; of any portico or apartment, Luke 2:46, cf. John 10:23. On the phrase τό πτερύγιον τοῦ ἱεροῦ see πτερύγιον, 2.​

It cannot be more clear that there is a very good reason that the OT was written in Hebrew as it was the language of the Jews at that time in history. However, when it came time for a transition into the New Covenant via the cross, God already knew that the Gentiles would become the prominent spreaders of the New Covenant gospel of salvation and that the Greek language of that age was the most well known throughout the Asiatic nations. Also, the Greek language was much easier to translate than the Hebrew language. It is because of the change from Hebrew to Greek, that we have the ability to distinguish the literal from the spiritual. Through God's inspiration, we have lexiconist that translated those nuances for us students of the Bible so that we could be as faithful to God's Word as much as pastors, seminarians or theologians are. In like manner, we can detect where heretical theories are being presented and who is presenting them. In that regards I am very thankful for all interpreters that God inspired who took the time to provide these resources for you and I so we could be able to stand firm and know how to recognize false prophecies and false prophets when they arise on forums such as these.
 
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Dangerous?
I'll tell you what is dangerous; false beliefs about what God has planned for our future.
We should know about and be prepared for tremendous changes, coming to this world very soon!

Noted; that you don't scripturally support your belief that Jesus made a Covenant while on the Cross.
Don't think a Covenant between Jesus and His people can be Spiritual.
The OT plainly states when, why and to whom the NC will be made.

Stop avoiding the evidence. Please address it.

When Jesus instituted the Lord’s supper in Matthew 26:28, which represented His shed blood for the remission of our sins, He declared: “For this is my blood of the new testament [diathēkē], which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

Jesus was here speaking here about His death! The Greek word here “testament” is diathēkē meaning covenant or testament. The shedding of His blood, which expressly secured “the remission of sins” for His elect, constituted “the new covenant.”

1 Corinthians 11:24-26: “And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament [diathēkē or covenant] in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.”

Believers are asked to remember the Lord's death – which is “the new testament [diathēkē or covenant] in [His] blood” – until He returns. “The new covenant” is here identified with “the Lord's death.” There is no way around it.

This is an ongoing demand.
 
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Stop avoiding the evidence. Please address it.

When Jesus instituted the Lord’s supper in Matthew 26:28, which represented His shed blood for the remission of our sins, He declared: “For this is my blood of the new testament [diathēkē], which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

Jesus was here speaking here about His death! The Greek word here “testament” is diathēkē meaning covenant or testament. The shedding of His blood, which expressly secured “the remission of sins” for His elect, constituted “the new covenant.”

1 Corinthians 11:24-26: “And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament [diathēkē or covenant] in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.”

Believers are asked to remember the Lord's death – which is “the new testament [diathēkē or covenant] in [His] blood” – until He returns. “The new covenant” is here identified with “the Lord's death.” There is no way around it.

This is an ongoing demand.
I agree. It really can't be any more clear than that. If the new covenant is not yet in effect then we are not saved and our sins are not forgiven because that is the means by which we are saved (through Christ's shed blood). It's as simple as that. How any Christian can think the new covenant is not yet in effect is beyond me. It's just baffling to me. It shows a lack of understanding of our current status of being seated in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus (Eph 2:4-6).
 
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This is an ongoing demand.
I have never denied that Jesus has done His part of the New Covenant.
It is His people, the Christians who are not yet in the position to fulfil our part of it.

What I demand of those who insist the NC is in effect now, is proof of the fulfillment of Hebrews 8:10-12.
If the new covenant is not yet in effect then we are not saved and our sins are not forgiven
We do have Salvation, by accepting the Atoning Sacrifice of Jesus and being born again in His Spirit.
As for sins, they are an ongoing thing, until we go to live in the holy Land and make the New Covenant with Jesus.
THEN; He will forgive our sins, as Isaiah 33:24 says.
 
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As for sins, they are an ongoing thing, until we go to live in the holy Land and make the New Covenant with Jesus.
THEN; He will forgive our sins, as Isaiah 33:24 says.

Based on your heretical philosophy that does not have support anywhere in the Bible, let me ask you these questions:

Q1- If you died today and Christ has not returned and neither has your new temple been built, how are your sins forgiven?
Q2- By the same token, based on the same false theory, what about all those millions to billions that have died without having the opportunity to go to Jerusalem to have their one-on-one meeting with Jesus so they can have their sins removed?

Remember now, you have to go back 2000 years for those who can't get to Jerusalem.
 
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Based on your heretical philosophy that does not have support anywhere in the Bible,
But I do have Biblical support and I have posted prophesies about when the New Covenant will be made. Jeremiah 32:37-40, Ezekiel 37:26, +
Q1- If you died today and Christ has not returned and neither has your new temple been built, how are your sins forgiven?
I pray that my name will be found in the Book of Life. Rev 20:11-15
what about all those millions to billions that have died without having the opportunity to go to Jerusalem to have their one-on-one meeting with Jesus so they can have their sins removed?
Romans 1:19-32 explains this. It goes back 6000 years.
 
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I have never denied that Jesus has done His part of the New Covenant.
It is His people, the Christians who are not yet in the position to fulfil our part of it.

What I demand of those who insist the NC is in effect now, is proof of the fulfillment of Hebrews 8:10-12.

We do have Salvation, by accepting the Atoning Sacrifice of Jesus and being born again in His Spirit.
As for sins, they are an ongoing thing, until we go to live in the holy Land and make the New Covenant with Jesus.
THEN; He will forgive our sins, as Isaiah 33:24 says.

Entering into the new covenant never denoted perfection on man's part, but rather reconciliation to God through Christ's satisfactory substitutionary work, and, also, complete forgiveness from sin for God's elect. The work has already been wrought for our salvation in full. To deny that is to deny fundamental truth.
 
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We do have Salvation, by accepting the Atoning Sacrifice of Jesus and being born again in His Spirit.
That is what the new covenant is all about!

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

His blood provides for our salvation, right? Is the above verse in your Bible or not?

As for sins, they are an ongoing thing, until we go to live in the holy Land and make the New Covenant with Jesus.
THEN; He will forgive our sins, as Isaiah 33:24 says.
No, that verse does not say that nor any other verse in scripture. If your sins are not currently forgiven, then you are not saved. How can you think you are saved but at the same time think that your sins are not forgiven? That does not make any sense.
 
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But I do have Biblical support and I have posted prophesies about when the New Covenant will be made. Jeremiah 32:37-40, Ezekiel 37:26, +

I pray that my name will be found in the Book of Life. Rev 20:11-15

Romans 1:19-32 explains this. It goes back 6000 years.

You have no support. You are presenting 2 OT passages as if the cross has never taken place. The good news is: it has! It is time to come into the new covenant arrangement now and enjoy its many benefits.
 
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Entering into the new covenant never denoted perfection on man's part, but rather reconciliation to God through Christ's satisfactory substitutionary work, and, also, complete forgiveness from sin for God's elect. The work has already been wrought for our salvation in full. To deny that is to deny fundamental truth.
You don't understand what the New Covenant is for. Ezekiel 34:25 says it is for their peace and prosperity.
Their; are the people, the Lord's sheep, who he will gather into the holy land. after the Day of ,cloud and darkness, that will be the Sixth Seal event, which will remove all the ungodly people from all of the holy Land.
A Covenant and our Salvation are not the same things.
No, that verse does not say that nor any other verse in scripture.
I know you would scream and howl at me for such blatant error!

Isaiah 33:24 plainly states that when the holy Land is cleansed and when His faithful people live there; THEN He will forgive our iniquity.
How can you think you are saved but at the same time think that your sins are not forgiven? That does not make any sense.
Sadly we cannot avoid some kinds of sin in this world we live in at present.
What doesn't make sense, is thinking any sins we many commit, knowingly or inadvertently, are forgiven as we do them or in advance.
That is real nonsense.
You have no support. You are presenting 2 OT passages as if the cross has never taken place.
Do you believe the Cross cancelled and nullified the Old Testament?
You are denigrating God's Word, not me.

The scriptures I have posted are the truth of what will happen. Deny them at your own risk and suffer the consequences of your errors.
 
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You don't understand what the New Covenant is for. Ezekiel 34:25 says it is for their peace and prosperity.
Their; are the people, the Lord's sheep, who he will gather into the holy land. after the Day of ,cloud and darkness, that will be the Sixth Seal event, which will remove all the ungodly people from all of the holy Land.
A Covenant and our Salvation are not the same things.

I know you would scream and howl at me for such blatant error!

Isaiah 33:24 plainly states that when the holy Land is cleansed and when His faithful people live there; THEN He will forgive our iniquity.

Sadly we cannot avoid some kinds of sin in this world we live in at present.
What doesn't make sense, is thinking any sins we many commit, knowingly or inadvertently, are forgiven as we do them or in advance.
That is real nonsense.

Do you believe the Cross cancelled and nullified the Old Testament?
You are denigrating God's Word, not me.

The scriptures I have posted are the truth of what will happen. Deny them at your own risk and suffer the consequences of your errors.

Isaiah 33:24 does not support your thesis. This is a classic case of manipulating Scripture to prove what you believe. You are trying to explain away the clear, explicit and repeated NT teaching by your opinion of the Old.

Now, will you address the numerous NT Scripture above that explains the new covenant in vivid detail as a present ongoing reality since the cross?
 
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You don't understand what the New Covenant is for. Ezekiel 34:25 says it is for their peace and prosperity.
The new covenant – What is it?
Throughout the Bible, God made covenants with His people...The [Jews] hearts were constantly turning away from God and breaking the Law. Because the result of sin is death (Romans 6:23) a new covenant was formed, in which God Himself would fulfill the requirements of the Law and give the people the ability to follow Him in love and obedience (Jeremiah 31:31, 33; Ezekiel 36:26-28).

The most important element of the new covenant is the blood of Jesus Christ. In the Old Testament, blood sacrifices were required for cleansing and atonement when the Law was broken. Under the new covenant, Jesus Christ provided His own body on the cross as a sacrifice that would purify once, for all time, those who had faith (Hebrews 10:10, 14). God proclaimed the first covenant, the Mosaic covenant, as flawed because of the inability of the people to fulfill their part of the deal. Because His love, and His promise to Abraham, superseded the demands of the Mosaic covenant, God did away with the old covenant and made the "new covenant" in Christ's blood (Hebrews 8:8-13). According to the terms of the new covenant, God would forget about the sins of the people, and be merciful towards them. He promised also to put the law into their minds, and write the law on their hearts. This prophecy of Jeremiah looks forward to the coming of the Holy Spirit, who would indwell all who have faith, teaching and helping them to follow the Lord's commands (John 14:26; Psalm 23:3-4; Romans 8:9-11).

(The new covenant – What is it?)
 
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Isaiah 33:24 does not support your thesis. This is a classic case of manipulating Scripture to prove what you believe. You are trying to explain away the clear, explicit and repeated NT teaching by your opinion of the Old.
All of Isaiah 33:1-12 is about the Lords Day of fiery wrath, which will burn up the ungodly peoples in the holy Land like chaff and leave the Land deserted.
Then; Isaiah 33:13-24, is about how His people from afar off will look to Zion and all the Lord's faithful [Christian] people will live there, as many other prophesies attest. Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26, +
THEN the sins of of the people who live there will be pardoned.

As for 'clear and explicit teaching' that the new Covenant was made at the Cross, or Pentecost, or is in force now; I do not see it. Many verses say how the Blood of Jesus is His part of it, but none of then say it is operational now.
We simply do not experience the full extent of the things listed in Hebrews 8:10-12

Why can't you explain how God treats any sins we may commit now?
 
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All of Isaiah 33:1-12 is about the Lords Day of fiery wrath, which will burn up the ungodly peoples in the holy Land like chaff and leave the Land deserted.
Then; Isaiah 33:13-24, is about how His people from afar off will look to Zion and all the Lord's faithful [Christian] people will live there, as many other prophesies attest. Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26, +
THEN the sins of of the people who live there will be pardoned.

As for 'clear and explicit teaching' that the new Covenant was made at the Cross, or Pentecost, or is in force now; I do not see it. Many verses say how the Blood of Jesus is His part of it, but none of then say it is operational now.
We simply do not experience the full extent of the things listed in Hebrews 8:10-12

Why can't you explain how God treats any sins we may commit now?

That is not true! You need to let the New interpret the Old, not the other way around.

When Jesus cried it is finished, the old covenant sacrifice system was finished. This was reinforced by the ripping of the temple curtain in two. Christ was the final sacrifice for sin.

Hebrews 7:27 says of Christ and His final atonement, “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.”

Hebrews 9:28 explains that "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many.”

Hebrews 10:10 says, “we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Hebrews 10:12 says, “this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.”

Hebrews 10:14 says, “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”

There it is! Clear and irrefutable! This is the sacrifice to end all sacrifices forever!!! "Forever" actually means "forever."

Romans 6:10 says, he died unto sin once.”

1 Peter 3:18 says, “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.”

Hebrews 9:12 explains, “by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”

Christ put and end of sin by this final transaction for sin, thus making an end of sin forever for those who would believe. There will never again be a sacrifice for sin. Christ’s atonement satisfied heaven’s holy demands and ensured that there would never again be another sacrifice/offering for sin carrying God’s blessing.

1 John 1:7: "the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

This is an ongoing effectual covenant that enables man to be forgiven.

Revelation 1:5 tells us that Christ washed us from our sins in his own blood.”

Hebrews 9:26: "put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

Hebrews 8:12 also says about repentant sinners: their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.”

Not only does He forgive our sin but He forgets about it. That is amazing! Your sin is erased from His understanding.

Spurgeon said in a message The Friend of Sinners, "Where, then, are the debts? There are no debts now; there is not one in God's book against his chosen, for Jesus died. If Christ hath paid the debt, then there is no debt left; it is gone. I can rejoice in its discharge; I can mourn that ever I cast myself into such a position, but the debt itself is gone."

Romans 8:1-4 says, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

It is incredible to know that we do not need to carry our guilt anymore. What is more, we do not need to pay the penalty for that awful sin. God has provided a substitute who personally, ably and satisfactorily took our sin upon Him so that we can be free. He took the punishment that we deserved and supernaturally overcame it through His vicarious death.

So many Christians don’t realize that Christ didn’t come to pay for some of our sin, but all of it. What is more, there is nothing more that can be added to the cross that can in any way remove one more sin. It is finished work! The new covenant wrought a complete victory!
 
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