Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

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Yes - Lev 23:3 a day of holy convocation
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before me to bow down" - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.
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I don't think that missing the very basics about obeying the Word of God - is what gets Moses and Elijah standing with Christ in glory - before the cross happened - in Matt 17. Heb 3 says Moses did obey the Word of God - you are saying he did not know enough to do it.

Heb 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession: Jesus; 2 He was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was in all His house. 3 For He has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, by just so much as the builder of the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God. 5 Now Moses was faithful in all God’s house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken later;

So much so - that Moses stands with Christ sinless and in glory in Matt 17 - before the cross even happens.
Moses and Elijah probably didn't know about how we, you and I, go about fulfilling the commandments.

That could be one of the things that Jesus was going to tell his disciples, but he couldn't tell them at that time because they couldn't bear it yet.
 
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according to Is 66:23 where for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to bow down and worship"
Yes, for all eternity we will be in the Sabbath-rest of the finished work of Christ and will worship God.
 
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Did Jesus rise on the first day? Easter Sunday. Isn't that the reason everyone quotes going to church on Sunday rather than Saturday, the seventh day Sabbath. The Bible was translated from Hebrew, Greek and Arabic, Saturday is Sabbath. Did all the Jews on this planet disappear and now know one knows which day of the week it is? My philosophy is you can give a 101 reasons why you don't obey, or you obey. God gives us free will, the scripture is Truth. It's up to each of us what we wish to do with it. God bless.

Jesus rose on the first day of the week - in relation to the time they were in. Was that a Monday? Who knows. They counted the days based on when the last Sabbath was.

I can tell you for an absolute that I do not go fellowship with others on Sunday because it is the first day of the week, or because of Easter, or anything else. I go because that's when everyone else is going to be there. :)

The 'days' of the week are a construct of man. Every culture had a different way of describing time. For a time, Romans had 8 days in a week. ;)

If you look back at history you will find that there was actually a time when the Jews 'lost track' of time. Otherwise known as the "missing years".

A morning and an evening are a day correct? What about the time when the sun stood still? Does time stand still? If you were in a cave for 3 days - how would you know it if you did not have a watch or a way of telling time once you got out?

Do you see what is happening here? Don't focus on the day, focus on the Creator of the day. You cannot focus on the two simultaneously.

Do you not find it interesting that the 4th commandment is the only one that changes(description of) between the two readings of it? Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5.

I think there is a reason for it - but that's another topic for another thread. :)

Also, for another thread, why isn't there mention of a specific day to worship on before Israel received it on the mountain? God's laws are eternal, meaning they have no beginning and no end. They were in effect when Abraham was alive, Noah too.
 
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True - Sabbath was set apart from the 6 working days.

And the symbol of birth in John 3 used for the new birth -- did not delete birth... not even from Christians.
And your "analogies" fall somewhat short of being analogous.
 
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Yes, all of the laws have a physical identity. It is only in that way that the unregenerate man can know that he is against them.

The truth(meaning) of the laws are all Spiritual, and can only be Spiritually discerned.
Yes, the Sabbath-rest was the spiritual meaning of the whole gospel.

Salvation is the Lord's! (Rev 7:10)
Paul, who received his revelation from Jesus Christ personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5), was emphatic about work NOT being
involved in justification/salvation, because in the third heaven he was given to understand why God was so emphatic about the
Sabbath-rest (Ex 31:14-15, 35:2-3; Nu 15:32-36; Jer 17:21-22, 27)--it was a prefigure/sign (as was most of the OT legislation)
of
God's everlasting salvation rest in his Son Jesus Christ's atoning work on the cross.

And God is emphatic about salvation rest, prefigured in his OT Sabbath-rest, because
Salvation is the Lord's!. . .all the glory goes to him. . .we do not, and cannot, contribute anything by our work, we must rest
in his work of Jesus' atoning sacrifice.

That is the NT revelation of Heb 4:1-13--an everlasting spiritual Sabbath-rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ for the people of God.


Christ is the fulfillment of the Sabbath,
set apart (sanctified) and given for rest (Ex 23:3; Dt 5:14) and worship (Lev 23:3; Is 66:23),
which is why we find the NT Christians assembling to worship on the day of Christ's resurrection, the Lord's Day (Ac 20:7; 1Co 16:2; Rev 1:10).
 
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Hi!

Sorry, if I missed it. I addressed a similar question on the next page

Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

Let me know if that answers the question or if yo have any others.

God bless
You talk about not helping your neighbor repair a fence on the Sabbath. I assume we're talking about a non-emergency repair here.

I think we both agree that Jesus said that it was lawful to do good on the sabbath.

I think helping your neighbor would be a good work. Why then would it not be lawful on the Sabbath? How do you see it?
 
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Jesus rose on the first day of the week - in relation to the time they were in. Was that a Monday? Who knows. They counted the days based on when the last Sabbath was.

I can tell you for an absolute that I do not go fellowship with others on Sunday because it is the first day of the week, or because of Easter, or anything else. I go because that's when everyone else is going to be there. :)

The 'days' of the week are a construct of man. Every culture had a different way of describing time. For a time, Romans had 8 days in a week. ;)

If you look back at history you will find that there was actually a time when the Jews 'lost track' of time. Otherwise known as the "missing years".

A morning and an evening are a day correct? What about the time when the sun stood still? Does time stand still? If you were in a cave for 3 days - how would you know it if you did not have a watch or a way of telling time once you got out?

Do you see what is happening here? Don't focus on the day, focus on the Creator of the day. You cannot focus on the two simultaneously.

Do you not find it interesting that the 4th commandment is the only one that changes(description of) between the two readings of it? Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5.

I think there is a reason for it - but that's another topic for another thread. :)

Also, for another thread, why isn't there mention of a specific day to worship on before Israel received it on the mountain? God's laws are eternal, meaning they have no beginning and no end. They were in effect when Abraham was alive, Noah too.

Not everyone, my church is always packed on Sabbath and more importantly, its the day God asked me to keep Holy.

Man named the days Sunday through Saturday but the first day is Sunday and the Seventh day is Sabbath. It's a weekly cycle that has never changed. Our Jewish friends have been keeping Sabbath from the beginning so if something changed with the day of the week, we would have heard about it like it was documented that the RRC changed God's Holy Sabbath to Sunday. How The Sabbath Was Changed | Sabbath Truth If you want some history on the Sabbath through the centuries here is an informative link 1st Century | Sabbath Through the Centuries | Sabbath Truth.

Sabbath is from sunset to sunset. Leviticus 23:32, John 19:31 Friday is the preparation day just before the Sabbath

I focus on what God tells me to focus on. Exodus 20 8-11 When I focus on His Holy Sabbath I am actually dedicating my time to Him. When I obey, I am trusting God to be God.

God tells us His Sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16

Sabbath is a sign of sanctification Ezekiel 20:12, Exodus 31:13

Sabbath is a sign between God and His People Ezekiel 20:20, Exodus 31:12-17

Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

God said He is unchanging which is why Sabbath will be continued on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23.

Jesus kept Sabbath and all of God's commdmants and asked us to as well. Luke 4:16. The Apostles, Jews and non-Jews kept Sabbath Acts 18:4

In the Bible there was never any arguments on which day was Gods Sabbath, only about how to keep Sabbath. That all changed once man started tinkering with God's laws that we were warned not to do. Proverbs 30:5,6

Sabbath is mentioned over 170 times in the Bible and the first day was mentioned 8, nothing that says the first day is Holy or the Sabbath or the new day of worship. However God was very specific about His Sabbath being the Holy day.

We all have free will, I take these scriptures to heart. These are just a few. Sabbath is such a blessing and I look forward to it weekly.

God bless
 
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You talk about not helping your neighbor repair a fence on the Sabbath. I assume we're talking about a non-emergency repair here.

I think we both agree that Jesus said that it was lawful to do good on the sabbath.

I think helping your neighbor would be a good work. Why then would it not be lawful on the Sabbath? How do you see it?
I said fixing a fence on Sabbath is work, I can do that any other day of the week, it is not an emergency. If my neighbor needs me to drive him to the ER because of an accident, that's a different story and I am doing good. Hope this helps.
 
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Not everyone, my church is always packed on Sabbath and more importantly, its the day God asked me to keep Holy.

Man named the days Sunday through Saturday but the first day is Sunday and the Seventh day is Sabbath. It's a weekly cycle that has never changed. Our Jewish friends have been keeping Sabbath from the beginning so if something changed with the day of the week, we would have heard about it like it was documented that the RRC changed God's Holy Sabbath to Sunday. How The Sabbath Was Changed | Sabbath Truth If you want some history on the Sabbath through the centuries here is an informative link 1st Century | Sabbath Through the Centuries | Sabbath Truth.

Sabbath is from sunset to sunset. Leviticus 23:32, John 19:31 Friday is the preparation day just before the Sabbath

I focus on what God tells me to focus on. Exodus 20 8-11 When I focus on His Holy Sabbath I am actually dedicating my time to Him. When I obey, I am trusting God to be God.

God tells us His Sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16

Sabbath is a sign of sanctification Ezekiel 20:12, Exodus 31:13

Sabbath is a sign between God and His People Ezekiel 20:20, Exodus 31:12-17

Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

God said He is unchanging which is why Sabbath will be continued on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23.

Jesus kept Sabbath and all of God's commdmants and asked us to as well. Luke 4:16. The Apostles, Jews and non-Jews kept Sabbath Acts 18:4

In the Bible there was never any arguments on which day was Gods Sabbath, only about how to keep Sabbath. That all changed once man started tinkering with God's laws that we were warned not to do. Proverbs 30:5,6

Sabbath is mentioned over 170 times in the Bible and the first day was mentioned 8, nothing that says the first day is Holy or the Sabbath or the new day of worship. However God was very specific about His Sabbath being the Holy day.

We all have free will, I take these scriptures to heart. These are just a few. Sabbath is such a blessing and I look forward to it weekly.

God bless

The Pharisees loved the Sabbath also. So they said. Jesus wept over Jerusalem because they just could not understand the times.

So focused they were on words written down on a scroll, that when the very Life they sought, the Son of the Author of the scroll, appeared before them - they wanted Him dead in order to continue their religion.

Still happening today.

Jesus, His death and resurrection, is my blessing. I am grateful for Him every day of the week.
 
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The Pharisees loved the Sabbath also. So they said. Jesus wept over Jerusalem because they just could not understand the times.

So focused they were on words written down on a scroll, that when the very Life they sought, the Son of the Author of the scroll, appeared before them - they wanted Him dead in order to continue their religion.

Still happening today.

Jesus, His death and resurrection, is my blessing. I am grateful for Him every day of the week.

Grateful and keeping God's commandments are two different things. Jesus did tell us if you love Me, you will keep My commandments. John 14:15

The Pharisees mocked Jesus and the Sabbath. They made it more of a burden than the blessing it was intended. It seems like not a lot has changed.
 
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Grateful and keeping God's commandments are two different things. Jesus did tell us if you love Me, you will keep My commandments. John 14:15

The Pharisees mocked Jesus and the Sabbath. They made it more of a burden than the blessing it was intended. It seems like not a lot has changed.

I agree. I love Him, and I keep His commandments. They are not burdensome. They are a joy to my heart. I delight in them.

I am grateful, so very grateful, for the life He gives me - the new creation I am because of Him.
 
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I agree. I love Him, and I keep His commandments. They are not burdensome. They are a joy to my heart. I delight in them.

I am grateful, so very grateful, for the life He gives me - the new creation I am because of Him.

Out of curiosity, which commandments do you keep and to what extent do you keep them?
 
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Moses and Elijah probably didn't know about how we, you and I, go about fulfilling the commandments.

How so?

You mean they didn't know we would drive a car to church? If so, is that what you see written in the commandments?
 
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