When all does not mean all.

Randy777 said:

My position is clear reasonable truth. A great many parts of the whole world were beyond the reach of the apostles. They could not have evangelized to all peoples of the whole world in their day.

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Again I'll ask, where does scripture teach that Jesus' use of "the Whole world and all nations" is not exactly the same as Paul's?

And again I'll ask, How could Paul's original audience have known the difference?

I get that you assume it is not, but I'm still wondering where scripture teaches it is not,
and I'm wondering how Paul's original audience would have known it's not?

So much assumption going on about this topic here.
Assumption and speculation is hardly the foundation to build a sound doctrine upon.

Clare73 said:

First, the Greek text words it differently--in the present tense instead of past tense:
"through the prophetic writings is made known to all nations."

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Colossians 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

In Matthew 24:14, the Greek word for preached is kerusso, it is in the future tense. But in Colossians 1:23 the same word kerusso is in the aorist tense (past). Jesus said that it is to be preached and Paul says in AD 62, that it has been preached to every creature. Paul also said that the faith of the Romans was spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Paul said that the gospel was made known to all nations.

Romans 16:25-26 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith;

Again I'll ask:
What Commandment of the everlasting God can you show me that says the Gospel would be made known to all the nations that Paul could possibly be referencing here, if not Matthew 24:14?

Jesus' words are not fulfilled until it is preached to all nations.

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I agree. We Just differ on what Jesus meant by "All Nations".
I keep asking for the Scriptural teaching that supports the Notion that Jesus use of All nations is NOT the same as Paul's... but Crickets..

parousia70 said:

Colossians 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. In

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Every creature = bugs, fish, elephants, worms, eagles, aphids, moles, bears, whales, etc., etc., etc.
Hmmmm. . .wonder how he preached to the worms and the whales.

Previously addressed.

Matthew 24:14, the Greek word for preached is kerusso, it is in the future tense. But in Colossians 1:23 the same word kerusso is in the aorist tense (past). Jesus said that it is to be preached and Paul says in AD 62, that it has been preached to every creature. Paul also said that the faith of the Romans was spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Paul said that the gospel was made known to all nations.

Romans 16:25-26 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith;

Again I'll ask:
What Commandment of the everlasting God can you show me that says the Gospel would be made known to all the nations that Paul could possibly be referencing here, if not Matthew 24:14?

I agree. We Just differ on what Jesus meant by "All Nations".
I keep asking for the Scriptural teaching that supports the Notion that Jesus use of All nations is NOT the same as Paul's... but Crickets..

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See post #208.

You did not address its second point.

Clare73 said:

See post #208.

You did not address its second point.

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And?
You have not addressed several points in my posts.

What CF rules of engagement are you operating under that says I have to address your points but you can ignore mine?

However, In an effort to take the high road and treat your posts how I would HOPE my posts would be treated by you, instead of how they HAVE BEEN treated by you, I'll go ahead and address your point #2 form that post anyway...

From your post #208, Point #2:

Clare73 said:

Secondly, Jesus said, "will be preached as a testimony to all nations," he did not say made known through the prophetic writings.

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Hmmm...a quick examination reveals I did indeed address this very point in my post #222 after all.

Whaddya know.

Double Post

parousia70 said:

And?
You have not addressed several points in my posts.

What CF rules of engagement are you operating under that says I have to address your points but you can ignore mine?

However, In an effort to take the high road and treat your posts how I would HOPE my posts would be treated by you, instead of how they HAVE BEEN treated by you, I'll go ahead and address your point #2 form that post anyway...

From your post #208, Point #2:

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Hmmm...a quick examination reveals I did indeed address this very point in my post #222 after all.

Whaddya know.

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And post #223?

was preached to every creature under heaven,

Every creature = bugs, fish, elephants, worms, eagles, aphids, moles, bears, whales, etc., etc., etc.
Hmmmm. . .wonder how he preached to the worms and the whales.

Clare73 said:

And post #223?

was preached to every creature under heaven,

Every creature = bugs, fish, elephants, worms, eagles, aphids, moles, bears, whales, etc., etc., etc.
Hmmmm. . .wonder how he preached to the worms and the whales.

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Where does he claim HE preached it to every creature?

My turn now.
Again I ask (for the 3rd or 4th time I think) What Commandment of the everlasting God can you show me that says the Gospel would be made known to all the nations that Paul could possibly be referencing in romans 16:25-26, if not Matthew 24:14?
This should not be that difficult for you to answer, if you have an answer.

The fact remains, and remains an insurmountable obstacle to your view, that Paul's Original Audience had no other option than to interpret Paul's testimony that the Gospel had indeed been preached to the whole world, all nations & every creature as the clear and then present fulfillment of Matthew 24:14.

It is the only conclusion they could have drawn, as no other interpretive option was available to them.

parousia70 said:

Again I'll ask, where does scripture teach that Jesus' use of "the Whole world and all nations" is not exactly the same as Paul's?

And again I'll ask, How could Paul's original audience have known the difference?

I get that you assume it is not, but I'm still wondering where scripture teaches it is not,
and I'm wondering how Paul's original audience would have known it's not?

So much assumption going on about this topic here.
Assumption and speculation is hardly the foundation to build a sound doctrine upon.

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I think Jesus would inform you that many parts of the world were out of the Apostles reach in regard to evangelism.

The world was made through Jesus and He was with the Father in that beginning. So I would see much more depth in Jesus's understanding of the whole world.

topher694 said:

All means all. Christ's sacrifice was sufficient and available to all, and all who are in Him are made alive.

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How do I become "in Him"?