What happens to those who sin in Heaven?

Sinners who don't repent don't go to heaven. Christians are being sanctified. They are no longer under Satan's power.

You must be born again! The Holy Spirit makes it possible to understand spiritual things.

Ezekiel 36:26 NIV
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.


1 Corinthians 2 NIV
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

John 14 NIV
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

Of course there is an answer. Sin was already cast out of heaven a really long time ago ( thus Satan on earth). Those attaining heaven from this life have made it to a glorified state. Says in scripture we will be like Him in glory, (which is sinless, is light and pure). We made our choice for Christ here on earth in this life, not in the next. The glorified body is not like the fleshly body on earth, it's like the angels scripture says ( not angels but like them). And Jesus and angels come and go, able to appear here and appear there, go through walls ( Jesus post cross appeared on the road, He appeared before Saul/Paul, the Holy Spirit appeared in the upper room, angles come and go even today)..

You guys need to do more studying. Lets put it this way, I took up my walk with Christ, I don't expect to take material things to heaven with me, it's another realm, my fly rods and trinkets of this world will be staying back on earth lol. We will be spirit beings in glorified form. When we come to Christ we aren't just transformed inside but it is a legal matter in the courts of heaven, we become sons of God, we will know Him and see Him 1 John 3:2. Also Philippians 3:20-21. I'm not doing the whole bible study for you guys but there is more than this too. Our citizenship has already been changed spiritually, we await the day and hour is all ( for those who are actually born again believers)..

Being set free indeed is to be set free from the bondage of sin. It's not about traveling the universe or something because we feel like it. We lose the sin nature and gain godliness/holiness in it's place. That's an eternal destination changer. Our desire and main focus in heaven will be worship, not messing with the girl or guy next door since we won't have that kind of body at all.. I doubt I will even want to fly fish,my fly rods will be left behind. But the wonders to see in it's place will take eternity to get enough of. Hell on the other hand will be horrible right out of the gate ! Stop looking at heaven from the fleshly view point.

Blindwatchmaker said:

So you're saying that the idea is just that everyone will be so happy to be in Heaven that no human being will ever have a moment of weakness or bad judgement again for the rest of eternity?
With respect, that doesn't sound likely given what we know about human nature.

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The resurrection will not be to a human nature but to a spiritual nature, an expression of the holy nature in GOD's image. The image of GOD in humans is broken by our descent into sinfulness. In the resurrection, human frailty and lust for evil is washed away, removed forever. We are resurrected as holy spirits finally returned to what we were created to be but which we wrecked by our choosing to sin.

Blindwatchmaker said:

Not possible in what way?
I mean if someone gets to Heaven and say, wants to steal or commit adultery, what would happen to make it not possible?

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We will be free of our sinful nature by then, so the desire won't be there.

Occams Barber said:

Wouldn't that mean that people in Heaven have no free will?

OB

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Maybe, maybe not. Putting a definite answer on that is a massive speculation because Heaven and heavenly life isn't detailed in Scripture. What is taught which is relevant to the question is that we will be pure when we enter it, and it is eternal.

To see Jesus as He is is to be like Him. Jesus doesn't sin. It's against His human nature.
1 John
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Occams Barber said:

That's what's known as coercion - behave or you'll be kicked out (of Heaven)

OB

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If it was coercive, it was a pretty miserable job, eh, with millions ignoring it. It rather seems to not have been coercive at all but a warning of the natural and legal consequences that folk easily made their own choice about.

I don't think I can believe that the one who invented free will could not find a way of teaching us about the consequences of some decisions without breaking our free will.

Blindwatchmaker said:

In that case, why couldn't God have just created human beings in a married state with him in the first place and avoided all the sin to begin with?
Surely if God has the means to create an environment where human beings have total free will but are not inclined to sin, shouldn't he just have done that at the beginning?
Could have avoided so much suffering...

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What part of the fact that love and marriage, a true marriage, must be entered into freely and not forced upon anyone have you missed?

You might accept a Stepford wife but YWHW did not. And if we can freely choose to love, it must be possible to also have the freedom to reject the proposal. Humans (not all creation, the vast majority of creation accepted HIM and stayed true to HIM than chose rebellion and were sent to earth) are 'not inclined to sin' any more because we experienced that result for ourselves... not that we were created that way. As the joke goes, some people will learn from being told, others have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

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Blindwatchmaker said:

...personally I have not so far seen any evidence to convince me that Heaven exists as anything other than an idea in the minds of humans.

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...an idea that contains no method by which sin could be introduced into the heavenly marriage after so recently cleansed from all this reality.

Blindwatchmaker said:

Hello

Thank you for the opportunity to post questions about Christian belief on your forum.
I was wondering what happens to those who commit sins (murder, rape etc) in Heaven.
Do they simply get thrown out? If so, is that forever? Straight to Hell with no possibility of forgiveness for eternity?
Or some other place?...

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The answer is simple yet not understood by many. You are speaking about sins of the flesh, and yes your point would be valid except one very well documented fact. Jesus said to Mary of Magdala in the garden after his resurrection from death.
Mary, do not hold on to me, (This flesh-body) for I have not yet returned to the Father ... Jesus had to tell the world that this flesh body must be glorified, forever freed from sin and decay. He told her to go and tell the others that you have seen me in the flesh, alive and well. She ran off dancing and singing "I have seen the ( my ) Lord." He is risen.
Again Jesus talking to Nicodemus said, " Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." Our faith has now become reality and it is impossible to sin because with faith we please God. We are now born of incorruptible seed forever in our new physical bodies.

Blindwatchmaker said:

Hello

Thank you for the opportunity to post questions about Christian belief on your forum.
I was wondering what happens to those who commit sins (murder, rape etc) in Heaven.
Do they simply get thrown out? If so, is that forever? Straight to Hell with no possibility of forgiveness for eternity?
Or some other place?...

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The first thing I'd want to mention is that "heaven" isn't the Christian hope beyond death. Resurrection is. What we usually refer to as "heaven" is, in traditional Christian teaching, something closer to a waiting lobby between bodily death and resurrection. The Christian hope is that even as God raised Christ up from the dead, so will He raise all the dead on the last day--at the consummation and conclusion of history--when Christ returns, and God renews and heals all of creation.

The second thing, which is more germane to your question, is that we understand that in the Age to Come the problem of sin and death, having been fully dealt with through the power of God's redeeming love and grace simply won't exist any longer. Death, having been swallowed up in victory, will no longer hold any power over the universe, and so all God's creatures shall enjoy a life liberated and transformed in God's freedom, love, and grace.

I would draw analogy with growing up. When we were children, we spoke like children, thought like children, and acted like children; but as adults we have put away such childish things. Our sinful rebellious childhood, in Christ, is raised up into a mature new human being. In Christ our selfishness, our waywardness, our following blindly after the self-serving lusts and desires is, through the redemptive and transformative power of God's loving mercy in Jesus, put away and in Christ we receive the new humanity. Both now, through faith, received as pure gracious gift; and by the ongoing power and work of the Holy Spirit; and also in fullness at the resurrection of the dead when even our flesh is transformed, and made alive by God's grace. Even as we were once children who acted like children, but then grew up and came of age, and matured to become adults--so do we grow up and come into the maturity of Jesus Christ in the future age.

In other words, sin doesn't happen then, not because of a deprivation of human freedom, but the expansion of human freedom and the tranformative power of grace. In the same way that when we were children we threw tantrums when we did not get our way, but now as adults we have put such things behind us and engage with one another in love (or, rather, how we ought to be), not by a loss of freedom, but by a maturing of our humanity and an expansion of man's freedom to be the kinds of people we can be in Jesus.

Growing and becoming human, as human as Jesus is.

-CryptoLutheran

Jofes said:

The answer is simple yet not understood by many. You are speaking about sins of the flesh, and yes your point would be valid except one very well documented fact. Jesus said to Mary of Magdala in the garden after his resurrection from death.
Mary, do not hold on to me, (This flesh-body) for I have not yet returned to the Father ... Jesus had to tell the world that this flesh body must be glorified, forever freed from sin and decay. He told her to go and tell the others that you have seen me in the flesh, alive and well. She ran off dancing and singing "I have seen the ( my ) Lord." He is risen.
Again Jesus talking to Nicodemus said, " Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." Our faith has now become reality and it is impossible to sin because with faith we please God. We are now born of incorruptible seed forever in our new physical bodies.

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I think you may be misunderstanding the point in the text. Jesus says "don't cling to Me", not in the sense that Mary shouldn't touch Him physically; but He says He will return to the Father. In other words, "I am going away soon, so don't cling to Me to try and keep Me here". He says this not to drive her away, but to prepare her--as He prepares the rest of His disciples--for His ascension. But His promise endures, where He has said, "I will never leave nor forsake you" and also "See, I am with you always, even until the end of the age".

He tells them that He must go away, indeed, having said earlier, "I go and prepare a place for you", and also He promised them that He would not leave them as orphans, but would send the Holy Spirit as another comforter.

Therefore He wishes Mary to understand these things, and indeed, she like the rest of His disciples came to understand. As we have a number of traditions of St. Mary Magdalene's work in preaching the kingdom, even as all the Apostles did the same. She is remembered in the Church as the Apostle to the Apostles, and Equal-to-the-Apostles (that is, being equal with the Twelve in honor).

-CryptoLutheran

Blindwatchmaker said:

Hello

Thank you for the opportunity to post questions about Christian belief on your forum.
I was wondering what happens to those who commit sins (murder, rape etc) in Heaven.
Do they simply get thrown out? If so, is that forever? Straight to Hell with no possibility of forgiveness for eternity?
Or some other place?...

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Think of sin as ‘missing the mark’.

It is like when an archer is trying to hit the bullseye, dead center. When he misses(most always) that is considered ‘sin’.

In heaven, eternity, the bullseye is everywhere. It is impossible to miss.

You put an arrow in your bow and shoot.....bullseye!

There will be no sin in heaven. No worries about it.

To be honest, I’ve had the concern before myself. But once I realized it would be impossible I decided to forget about it.

Blindwatchmaker said:

Hello

Thank you for the opportunity to post questions about Christian belief on your forum.
I was wondering what happens to those who commit sins (murder, rape etc) in Heaven.
Do they simply get thrown out? If so, is that forever? Straight to Hell with no possibility of forgiveness for eternity?
Or some other place?...

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Jesus was sinless. He accomplished this not because he was God, although I don't think that would be a hindrance.
Jesus tells us how he did it in plain and simple words.
I only do what I see the Father doing.
I do nothing on my own but speak just what the father has taught me.
I only do what pleases the Father.

It is impossible to please God without Faith.
Anything done outside of faith is sin.
We are saved by Faith.
We enter heaven by Faith.

When we sin it is not just missing the mark.
We have turned and are going the wrong ( way )direction.
Repenting is not beating oneself or
feeling sorry, that will not gain you anything.
Be quick to ask God for forgiveness in the name of Jesus.
Then turn and continue walking,

Down that long and narrow road

Blindwatchmaker said:

Not possible in what way?
I mean if someone gets to Heaven and say, wants to steal or commit adultery, what would happen to make it not possible?

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Our eternal glorified state in heaven is above the angels... there's no marriage, no bodily urges, and no sin in heaven.. at all. There's also no death, nor sorrow.

Now, if your asking about those who have sinned prior to death, we all have, Christians included. However, Christ is the propitiation for our sins, should we come into faith/belief and into covenant with God...

As for those who aren't in covenant before their death, they will go to hell (in my belief), a place separated from God as instead of being judged according to the work of Christ, they will be judged according to their works - and no man is without sin.