Clare73 said:
We have NT teaching which establishes what laws are in force, not for justification/salvation, but for sanctification/sonship in the New Covenant:
Heb 7:12 - where the law is changed, because the priesthood is changed from the order of Aaron (Levites) to the order of Melchizedek, and
is not in force,
Heb 8:13 - where the Mosaic covenant is made obsolete, and is not in force,
Mt 22:37; Ro 13:8-10 - where the Ten Commandments are subsumed in Jesus' two commandments, and are in force, but not for justification/salvation,
Eph 2:15 - where the ceremonial laws are abolished--sacrifices, all defilement and cleansing laws, holy years, feasts, corban, etc.--and
are not in force,
1Jn 2:3-5, 3:22, 24, 5:3; 2Jn 6; Jn 14:15, 21, 23, 15:10 - where we are to obey Jesus' commands,
1Jn 1:8, 10, 2:1, 4, - where sin is presented as not obeying Jesus' commands.
Gods law is not “ceremonial” its the eternal moral laws.
The sacrificial, defilement, cleansing laws, holy years, feasts, corban, etc. of
Leviticus are the "ceremonial" laws, which are not moral laws.
Disobedience of ceremonial law was not moral sin, it was ceremonial defilement (sin), which could be cleansed with ceremonial cleansings.
Moral sin cannot be cleansed with ceremonial cleansings, it is cleansed only with faith and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ.
You keep referring to “laws” but have yet to provide scripture to any specific laws for the second covenant.
The second covenant is the bilateral Mosaic Covenant, which covenant is
conditioned on the Ten Commandments (Ex 19:5-8).
God 10 commandments are His moral laws that He said are everlasting. Exodus 20 3-17, Psalms 111:7,8
The first four commandments are how we are to love and obey God and the last 6 how we are to love each each.
Agreed.
Unless you think its okay to lie, steal, cheat, murder, vain His name,
break His Holy day, or any one of the other 10 very applicable for today laws that He again told us are eternal.
Do you have me confused with someone else?
I've never said that Christians are free to violate the Decalogue (Ten Commandments).
I will continue believing what God told us. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Maybe this summary will help explain:
The Ten Commandments are the basis of the Mosaic Covenant.
The
Levitical (ceremonial)
laws of the Old Covenant order are
separate from the Ten Commandments,
and have been changed (Heb 7:12), made obsolete (Heb 8:13), and abolished (Eph 2:15).
The
Ten Commandments remain and are subsumed into Jesus' two commands of Mt 22:37-40 and Ro 13:8-10.
To fulfill Jesus' two commands will necessarily fulfill all the moral laws regarding your neighbor.
The unilateral New Covenant (third), like the unilateral Abrahamic Covenant (first), is not based on law,
as was the
temporary bilateral Mosaic Covenant (second) which was
temporarily added (Gal 4:29; Heb 8:13)
to the Abrahamic Covenant (first),
not replacing the Abrahamic covenant of grace/faith, which was not replaced until the New Covenant (third).
Abrahamic Covenant--->
Mosaic Covenant
temporarily added--->
New Covenant