That didn’t answer the question. God said He would write His laws in our hearts and mind in the second covenant. Which laws and if you could provide scripture please. God said there are laws in the second covenant, Please point me to them.
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Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?
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Maybe you could provide scripture where God or Jesus said His seventh day Sabbath is no longer Holy and we are now to worship Him on the first day. Having a meeting is not the same as God commanding us to keep Holy any other day than what He told us when He wrote and spoke His commandments. Exodus 20:8-11 Genesis 2:3 The scripture you provided did not say the first day is Holy or Gods new Sabbath day. God said His Sabbath is a perpetual covenant and He also said He is unchanging. I am going to believe God. Which is why on the New Earth the Sabbath remains. Isaiah 66:23 You can believe as you wish of course God did give us free will. God bless
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Many businesses in Israel close early Friday afternoon to prepare for Shabbat. The hospitals in Israel are open on Shabbat. The gas stations are open on Shabbat. The military is alert and ready for mobilization on Shabbat. The airport is open on Shabbat, even on Yom Kippur. Most stores and businesses are closed for Shabbat. I would not suggest Jews should work on their one day off.
The Haredim might get shunned, if they are caught working on Shabbat. They close off their neighborhoods to traffic for 24 hours.
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No, not at all: Adam and Eve didn't even have the knowledge of good and evil, so how are you referring to them as perfect?
To be perfect is to be complete, they were not, but God is; for part of that perfection is to know good and evil, as God does.
Adam and Eve were good, but not perfect, as the evidence clearly shows.
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--By living-faith, otherwise, they will die, by dead-faith: the works of the dead are none to God, but dust and ashes, but the works of the righteous are the faith through which He saves.
Living faith is the only way, folks, otherwise, your belief is indeed vain.
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That would be the laws in force in the New covenant.
We have NT teaching which establishes what laws are in force, not for justification/salvation, but for sanctification/sonship in the New Covenant:
Heb 7:12 - where the law is changed, because the priesthood is changed from the order of Aaron (Levites) to the order of Melchizedek, and
is not in force,
Heb 8:13 - where the Mosaic covenant is made obsolete, and is not in force,
Mt 22:37; Ro 13:8-10 - where the Ten Commandments are subsumed in Jesus' two commandments, and are in force, but not for justification/salvation,
Eph 2:15 - where the ceremonial laws are abolished--sacrifices, all defilement and cleansing laws, holy years, feasts, corban, etc.--and
are not in force,
1Jn 2:3-5, 3:22, 24, 5:3; 2Jn 6; Jn 14:15, 21, 23, 15:10 - where we are to obey Jesus' commands,
1Jn 1:8, 10, 2:1, 4, - where sin is presented as not obeying Jesus' commands.
Hope this helps.
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On the contrary, to focus on the truth of what actually happened is the only way to get to the meaning of the facts.
If the truth has a negative effect on the congregation, then what does that tell you about where the congregation was going?
Sometimes, an impact against the wrong direction is all it takes to turn things right-way-round; wherefore, what seems negative now, could very well be what is actually positive now.
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I believe removing God’s laws involves teaching a false gospel. A major example, I believe, is claiming to preach love of God & neighbor but removing the 10 commandments. There is a moral commitment to love of God & neighbor. Removing the 10 commandments allows for a false gospel.
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Arriving at conclusions by partial citation must be avoided at all costs--we are commanded to judge, righteously, viz:
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." --Matthew 7:1-5
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." --John 7:24
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Yes, no one can be justified by the law, but condemned by it. Only Christ justifies us to be actual keepers of the law, by grace.
Indeed, that's why our love of God and neighbor results in us actually keeping the laws of God.
Indeed, that's why obedience to the laws of God must now be through Him.
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Gods law is not “ceremonial” its the eternal moral laws. You keep referring to “laws” but have yet to provide scripture to any specific laws for the second covenant. God 10 commandments are His moral laws that He said are everlasting. Exodus 20 3-17, Psalms 111:7,8
The first four commandments are how we are to love and obey God and the last 6 how we are to love each each.
Unless you think its okay to lie, steal, cheat, murder, vain His name, break His Holy day, or any one of the other 10 very applicable for today laws that He again told us are eternal. I will continue believing what God told us. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. - Galatians 2:21
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Whoa-a-a!!! Back up there, Podna'.
Paul received his revelation from Jesus personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5), some of which he was not even allowed to tell!
You have it backwards, he knew much more than the apostles.
Where do you find justification, the one olive tree, God's plan for Jesus Christ in the church, etc. in writings other than Paul?
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There was no sin in the world when God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They had the Holy Spirit indwelling them and they still disobeyed God. They were naked, lol! Yet, we think that in a fallen world, in sinful bodies, and with the Holy Spirit, we are going to obey 613 laws? Good luck. Besides, the Christian life is more than just getting our flesh in order. It is about knowing our God. The law can't do that nor will it result in knowing our God. If you think you can be fully obedient to the law, go ahead. I choose to rest in God's work on my behalf and get to know Him through the indwelling Holy Spirit.
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Yes. I've come to appreciate a teaching I'm familiar with that states that, from the big picture, God made His creation in a "state of journeying to perfection". Adam and Eve, or any of us, would not be perfect until they were 100% "bound" to God, meaning to love Him with their whole heart, soul, mind, and strength. Had they possessed that love in Eden, had they been capable of it at the time, their obedience would've flowed automatically, of its own accord. As it was they apparently needed to experience, to know, good and evil, evil defined as anything outside of God's will, so that they might ultimately choose between the two, finally recognizing the ultimate good: God, Himself. They were much more into themselves at the time, however, as we all may continue to prefer to be to one degree or another, carrying on the family tradition as it were. And that pride is the essence of man's spiritual death.
Anyway, the knowledge of good and evil wasn't necessary in the absolute sense, but just as a tool, to help us learn to avoid evil and run to the good, like prodigals after experiencing life in a pigsty, relatively speaking. To help us learn of the trustworthiness and perfection of God's wisdom and will and goodness, so that we'll finally pay attention to and remain in Him next time, as He comes calling for His lost sheep.
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