Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

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That's not the Biblical definition.

1 John 3:4 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
There is more than one biblical definition of sin.

Unbelief
"And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me ... " John 16:9

Lack of faith
"But the one who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin." Romans 14:23

Take care
 
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Hebrews chapter 10 verse 1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.


Romans chapter 3 verse 20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

The only thing I can see to justify is Love and Mercy.
  • So you're saying your free to sin? All the scripture about God asking us to obey doesn't apply to you? Jesus died for our sins, but He didn't die for us to keep sinning. After Jesus healed He never said go sin some more- He said go sin no more. John 5:14 John 8:11

These verses below seem to mean the opposite of what you're saying. Considering how important it is to get it right, I would want to be 100% sure before thinking we no longer have to obey Gods laws

Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 
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There is more than one biblical definition of sin.

Unbelief
"And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me ... " John 16:9

Lack of faith
"But the one who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin." Romans 14:23

Take care

Transgression of God's law is still sin.
 
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I didn't say otherwise. You said my definition was not biblical and I showed that it was.

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Glad we agree, breaking any of Gods laws is considering sinning. God bless
 
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God died for our sins, but He didn't die for us to keep sinning. After Jesus healed He never said go sin some more- He said go sin no more.
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

James 2:10, NIV: "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Maybe we can't agree, I have my bible you have yours, good luck to you.
 
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Not only did He not want us to eat, He made it so we could not continue to eat. :)
Reflecting back, I think that may have been the ingredient that made it feel like God wasn't there anymore, like I needed time to resurrect.
 
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With the growing number of churches that are teaching God’s laws are a thing of the past citing arguments like “we are not under the law we are under grace” or “Gods laws are only for the Jews ” I thought I would create a post to examine what does the Bible teach us about the laws of God. If we remove God's laws what are we really teaching and what are we removing from our lives?

Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 13: 5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
According to scripture we should test ourselves to ensure we are in the faith.

What happens if we remove Gods laws? Is God’s character in Gods laws? If we remove His laws are we removing God?

God is Good:
Luke 18:19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God

God’s law is Good:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

God is Holy:
Isaiah 5:16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment,
And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness.

God’s law is Holy:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

God is Just:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.

God’s law are Just: Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

God is Perfect:
Mathew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

God’s law is Perfect:
Psalms 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;

God is Love
1 John 4:8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

God's law is Love:
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

God is Righteous
Exodus 9:27 2 And Pharaoh sent and called for Moses and Aaron, and said to them, “I have sinned this time. The Lord is righteous, and my people and I are wicked.

God’s law are Righteous
Psalms 19:9 The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever. The decrees of the LORD are firm, and all of them are righteous.

God is Truth:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.

God’s laws are Truth:
Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Psalms 119:151 You are near, O LORD, And all Your commandments are truth.

God is Pure:
1 John 3:3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

God’s laws are Pure:
Psalms 19:8 the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;

God is Spiritual:
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

God’s law is Spiritual:
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

God is Unchangeable:
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

God’s laws are Unchangeable:
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

God is Eternal
Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.

God’s laws are Eternal
Psalms 111:7,8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast forever and ever, And are done in truth and uprightness

Considering God’s character is reflected in Gods laws, when we remove God’s law what else are we removing?

Yes, we are saved by grace (God’s gift) but what else does the Word of God tell us?

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

2 John 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

1 John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God's commandments are found in Exodus 20

God bless
We're still to fulfill the law, as prescribed by New Testament Scripture and supported historically by church teachings, even though the law, itself, cannot justify us. But we fulfill it in a new way now, the only right way, by the Spirit, by being under grace rather than under the law, by being in communion with God the Trinity, IOW, a relationship which man was made for but which Adam scorned by his prideful act of disobedience. And this is why verses such as Rom 2:13 make so much sense, becoming clear in the light of this understanding:
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."

We cannot impress God by attempting to fulfill the law on our own, as if we possessed righteousness apart from Him because that would only involve legalism, external works of the law, but with Him in a relationship established by faith, nothing is impossible, because He can accomplish within us real change, the righteousness we were made for.
"Apart from Me you can do nothing." John 15:5

Jesus came to give us that very faith by fully revealing the true "face" of God, giving us something to believe in, so that we may be reconciled with Him and enter the fellowship that we're lost, sick, dead without.
 
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Glad we agree, breaking any of Gods laws is considering sinning. God bless
Never said otherwise. My point all along is that we are not under the law and God is not counting our sins against us.
 
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Never said otherwise. My point all along is that we are not under the law and God is not counting our sins against us.
Maybe you can elaborate because it almost seems you are saying you are free to sin. If we repent, God forgives of our sin and knows our hearts, but God does not want us to keep sinning.
 
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We understand that God's Laws (the ten commandments) have not gone away. It's how those laws are understood in the new testament church that is important. The Law is spiritual, but what does that mean exactly.

The Bible uses the same terms to describe the nature of God as it does to describe the nature of God's laws, which is because they are God's instructions for how to testify about His nature, and God's nature is eternal, therefore all of His laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160), not just ten of them. There are more ways to do what is righteous or sinful that God's law specifically prescribes or prohibits, but God's laws is spiritual in that it has always been intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles of which the listed laws are just examples, and which are aspects of God's nature. For example, God's righteous laws teach us about His righteousness, which can lead us to live in a way that testifies about God's righteousness both in situations that are specifically prescribed by God's law and in those that are not.
 
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Maybe you can elaborate because it almost seems you are saying you are free to sin. If we repent, God forgives of our sin and knows our hearts, but God does not want us to keep sinning.
No, I am not saying we are free to sin. But, believing we are under the law isn't stopping anybody from sinning either and only increases the sin in our lives. What I am saying is that our sins don't separate us from God so we can now approach Him with confidence (Hebrews 4:16) when we do sin to receive His grace and mercy and discover why we are sinning. The focus in Christianity is always on sin, but rarely on why we sin and what God has done with our sin; taking it away never to be remembered again.
 
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Fundamentally, there are two ways that you can be guided through life to do God's will: the law and the Holy Spirit. If you haven't been born again and received the Holy Spirit then you must be guided externally by the law. If you have been born again and received the Holy Spirit then you are guided internally by Him.

They cannot co-exist! If you received the Holy Spirit you are "dead to the law"!

If you haven't been born again then there must be external rules in place to guide your behavior (and the behavior of others). So there is a definite need for law, both God's law and human law (in that order).

The Father has made His will know through His law (Psalms 40:8), so if the Spirit leads us to do something else that is not in accordance with His law, then that would mean that the Spirit is in disagreement with the Father about how to do the Father's will. On the contrary, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to submit to the Mosaic Law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's nature that are in accordance with us. The OP used many verses that describe the nature of God in the same terms as they describe the nature of God's law, which is because it is God's instructions for how to testify about His nature, and the Spirit has the role of leading us to live in a way that testifies about aspects of God's nature, which are fruits of the Spirit. In Ephesians 2:10, we have been made new creations in Christ in order to do good works, so being born again is not separate from following God's laws for how to do good works.
 
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No, I am not saying we are free to sin. But, believing we are under the law isn't stopping anybody from sinning either and only increases the sin in our lives. What I am saying is that our sins don't separate us from God so we can now approach Him with confidence (Hebrews 4:16) when we do sin to receive His grace and mercy and discover why we are sinning. The focus in Christianity is always on sin, but rarely on why we sin and what God has done with our sin; taking it away never to be remembered again.

Sin is what separated us from God in the first place. Adam and Eve walked with God until they sinned and disobeyed. We will not be able to be with God again until there is no more sin. God sends us His Holy Spirit to help keep us from sinning. John 14: 15 “If you love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth.

Gods grace is His gift and God tells us who He shows mercy to right in His commandments

Exodus 20: 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

God does take away our sins, but we are supposed to learn from our sins and stop sinning after a heartfelt repent. If we fall, we need to get back up and ask for forgiveness and try harder. God has done everything He can for us and wants to save each of us. We need to turn from our sins and obey Gods laws. If everyone kept God’s commandments in both our hearts (because we love God) and minds (our actions) I bet it would be a lot like Heaven.
 
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Sin is what separated us from God in the first place. Adam and Eve walked with God until they sinned and disobeyed. We will not be able to be with God again until there is no more sin. God sends us His Holy Spirit to help keep us from sinning. John 14: 15 “If you love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth.

Gods grace is His gift and God tells us who He shows mercy to right in His commandments

Exodus 20: 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

God does take away our sins, but we are supposed to learn from our sins and stop sinning after a heartfelt repent. If we fall, we need to get back up and ask for forgiveness and try harder. God has done everything He can for us and wants to save each of us. We need to turn from our sins and obey Gods laws. If everyone kept God’s commandments in both our hearts (because we love God) and minds (our actions) I bet it would be a lot like Heaven.
We aren't keeping God's commands, thus we must be honest to admit we aren't loving God/Jesus. Just because Jesus said "if you love me, keep my commands," doesn't mean we are doing that. Plus, we assume that Jesus believed we could do it. Jesus was driving people to the end of themselves to show us that we need His grace and mercy, not our supposed obedience and repentance. Plus, there are all the verses I posted earlier (post #10) that show we are not under the law and its purpose. There are no sins God is holding against me and no blessings I expect from Him in the flesh that I will never be obedient enough to receive. I am completely forgiven and have every spiritual blessing in Christ and have been given everything I need for a godly life. As I said to another poster earlier, we must ask ourselves, "Are we obedient to all God commands?" The answer is, "No." This tells us that there is a different way of living and that is in dependence on the indwelling Holy Spirit. Sin diminishes in our lives as a byproduct of us focusing on Jesus and discovering all we have received as an inheritance of our faith. We don't reduce sin through a lifestyle of obedience and repentance to laws that only stir up and sin and put us under a curse.
 
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With the growing number of churches that are teaching God’s laws are a thing of the past citing arguments like “we are not under the law we are under grace” or “Gods laws are only for the Jews ” I thought I would create a post to examine what does the Bible teach us about the laws of God. If we remove God's laws what are we really teaching and what are we removing from our lives?

Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 13: 5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
According to scripture we should test ourselves to ensure we are in the faith.

What happens if we remove Gods laws? Is God’s character in Gods laws? If we remove His laws are we removing God?

God is Good:
Luke 18:19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God

God’s law is Good:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

God is Holy:
Isaiah 5:16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment,
And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness.

God’s law is Holy:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

God is Just:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.

God’s law are Just: Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

God is Perfect:
Mathew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

God’s law is Perfect:
Psalms 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;

God is Love
1 John 4:8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

God's law is Love:
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

God is Righteous
Exodus 9:27 2 And Pharaoh sent and called for Moses and Aaron, and said to them, “I have sinned this time. The Lord is righteous, and my people and I are wicked.

God’s law are Righteous
Psalms 19:9 The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever. The decrees of the LORD are firm, and all of them are righteous.

God is Truth:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.

God’s laws are Truth:
Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Psalms 119:151 You are near, O LORD, And all Your commandments are truth.

God is Pure:
1 John 3:3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

God’s laws are Pure:
Psalms 19:8 the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;

God is Spiritual:
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

God’s law is Spiritual:
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

God is Unchangeable:
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

God’s laws are Unchangeable:
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

God is Eternal
Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.

God’s laws are Eternal
Psalms 111:7,8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast forever and ever, And are done in truth and uprightness

Considering God’s character is reflected in Gods laws, when we remove God’s law what else are we removing?

Yes, we are saved by grace (God’s gift) but what else does the Word of God tell us?

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

2 John 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

1 John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God's commandments are found in Exodus 20

God bless
Let us know if and when you are able to keep all 613 Mitzot. Be blessed.
 
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God's law is for unbelievers, not Christians
"We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine .." 1 Timothy 1:8-10

Saying that the law is good if one uses it properly contradicts saying that the law is not good for Christians to obey. God's law is His instructions for how to do what is righteous, so it would be absurd to think that doing what is righteous is only for the unrighteous and not for the righteous. Instructions for how to do what is righteous are not needed to teach those who already living in obedience to them, but rather it is the unrighteous who needed to be taught how to do that.

Christians are not under God's law
"So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Galatians 3:24-25

Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, he did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, and following what Christ taught by word and by example is for Christians. Someone who disregarded everything their tutor taught them after they are no longer under them would be missing the whole point of a tutor.

Jesus Christ is the end of the law
"For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Romans 10:4

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they did not understand that the righteousness of God only comes through faith in Christ. So they failed to obtain righteousness because they pursued the Mosaic Law as through righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the Mosaic Law as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for Christ is the goal of the Mosaic Law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, Paul quoted Deuteronomy 30:11-16, in regard to this faith saying that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will obtain life by it, and in regard to what it looks like to submit to Jesus as Lord. So there is nothing in the context of this verse that even remotely suggests that Christ is ending his eternal Mosaic Law, but just the opposite.

The law is a curse for those under it
"For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” - Galatians 3:13

In Galatians 3:13, they are under a curse because they are relying on works of the law instead of God's law. In Deuteronomy 28:1-14, it describes the blessing of living in obedience to God's law while verses 15-68 describe the curse of living in disobedience to it, so the fact that the law is a curse for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason for you to refuse to submit to it.

The Law cannot justify us
"...knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since by works of the Law no flesh will be justified." Galatians 2:16

The Law cannot make us righteous
"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.” Galatians 2:21


The fact that we do not earn our justification or righteousness by obeying God does not mean that we don't need to obey God.

The Law cannot give us life
"... and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me ..." Romans 7:10

In Romans 7:10-13, Paul said that God's law is holy, righteous, and good, and that it was not what was good that brought death to him, yet that is precisely what you are trying to use his words to blame.

The Law stirs up sin
"The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law." 1 Corinthians 15:56

A law that is the power of sin is a law that is sinful, however, Romans 7:7 says that God's law is not sinful, but that it is how we know what sin is, therefore 1 Corinthians 15:56 is not referring to God's law, but rather it is the law of sin that is the power of sin. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's law, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive. If Romans 7:5-6 were referring to God's law, then that would mean that Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death and that he delighted in being held captive, which is absurd, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.

The Law is a ministry of condemnation and death
"But if the ministry of death, engraved in letters on stones, came with glory so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness excel in glory." 2 Corinthians 3:7-9

The fact that the law brings death to those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason to refuse to submit to it.

The Law has been fulfilled in us
"For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:3-4

Jesus set us free from sin so that we might be free to obey His law and meet its righteous requirement. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to submit to God's law.

Under the Law sin is your master
"For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace." Romans 6:14

Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin is our master, which does not refer to God's law, which is a law where holiness, righteousness, and goodness is our master (Romans 7:12), but rather it is the law of sin where sin is our master. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so we are still required to obey it.

You cannot mix Law and Grace
"You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" Galatians 3:1-3

Graciousness and righteousness have always been compatible aspects of God's nature, which He showed throughout both the OT and the NT, so it is impossible to separate law and grace. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, in Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith, and in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, which is what God's law was given to instruct how to do.

Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to obey God's law both and Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching Gentiles how to follow Christ as if following Christ was somehow a negative thing, but rather his problem was with those who were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified.

Once we come to Jesus Christ by faith, the law has done its work. We can now live in a trusting and dependent relationship on the indwelling Holy Spirit instead of trusting and depending on laws designed to manage our flesh.

Grace and Peace

Obedience to God's law is about having faith in God to guide us in how to rightly live, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law. There are many verses throughout the Bible that associate faith with obedience and breaking faith with disobedience, and not once is living by faith treated as being an alternative to obedience. For instance, every example of faith listed in Hebrews 11 is also an example of obedience to God's will. God's law leads us to Christ because everything in it teaches us how to grow in a relationship with him based on faith, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can refuse to grow in a relationship with him.
 
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Jesus amplified the law to bury us under it. This was so we would recognize our need for the grace and mercy of God. Besides, nobody is obeying the law, not even the Ten Commandments. Plus, even if one obeyed all 613 commandments of the law, they still would not qualify to enter Heaven or receive the love of God. That wasn't the purpose of the law. And, as Paul stated, "love is the fulfillment of the law," not our failed attempts at obeying it. This is the love that comes from bearing the fruit of the Spirit God is producing in us. When we are loving others, we are not sinning with or against them.

Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus amplified the law to bury us under it. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, so that is how Jesus was gracious to us. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience. Thinking that no one could obey it would mean that God essentially gave the law with the goal of cursing His children, which is expressing an extremely negative view of God when in reality God's law was given for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13). Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome.

In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and the Father straightforwardly has made His will known through His law (Psalms 40:8). Likewise, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so God's law is His instructions for how to know Christ, and knowing Christ is a salvation issue.

All of the laws that God has given as examples of what it looks like to love God and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them so they are all connected. Love fulfills the law because that is what is is essentially about how to do, but if someone's obedience to the command to love does not look like obedience to God's other commandments, then they are not treating it as being the fulfillment of the other commandments.

Jesus amplified the law
"You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Now if your right eye is causing you to sin, tear it out and throw it away from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell." Matthew 5:27-29

The command not to look at a woman with lust in our hearts is just the correct application of the 7th and 10th Commandments against adultery and against coveting in our hearts, not raising the bar.

The Christian is not under any of the Law, Ten Commandments, or otherwise. If you believe that we are, the question you must answer is, "Are you completely obedient to all God commands?" That is a yes or no question. There is no, "I try my best" or "God gives me grace when I fall short."

The Law's standard is perfection
"For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all." James 2:10

"Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matthew 5:48

The law itself came with instructions for what to do when the people sinned, so while perfect obedience was a goal, it was never a requirement. Repentance doesn't change the fact that we have already fallen short of perfect obedience, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that perfect obedience is not a requirement for us. In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they needed to have perfect obedience because that would have already been too late, and he was not telling them that they couldn't obey the law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to do a better job of obeying the law more consistently.

Where there is no law, sin is not taken into account
"... for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not counted against anyone when there is no law."

There no law for Christians because God is no longer counting our sins against us. So, God is not holding any violation of the law against me because He has taken it away at the Cross and given us a New Covenant.

God's law has been given, so there is the law, and if you own a Bible, then you have the law. While it is true that there now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ (Romans 8:1), it is also true that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and he walked in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so the fact that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins does not remove our obligation to obey the Mosaic Law. On the contrary, that should make us want to go and sin no more by living in obedience to it.

Practicing Sin
"No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9

If you are subjecting yourself to the Ten Commandments then you will be "practicing" sin because the law stirs up sin by giving you more things to think about not doing. You will experience what Paul did in Romans 7 regarding coveting, which is one of the Ten Commandments.

"But sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead." Romans 7:8

We keep sin alive by trying to live by the Law.

God is sovereign, so we are all obliged to obey His law regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. God judged the world with the Flood even through they weren't in a covenant relationship with him, so they didn't get to decide whether or not they wanted to be under God's law, and neither do you, but the choice you do get to make is whether or not you are going to heed the Gospel message, repent, and obey God's law. So it is a sin to refuse to refuse to obey God's law regardless of whether or not you consider yourself to be subject to it, and the way to keep sin alive is by living in transgression of God's law. It is the law of sin that stirs up sin, not God's law.

Regardless of what you are using them for, that doesn't mean God has given them to you. God did not give us the law for "the conduct of the family into which [you] have been adopted." And again, you aren't obeying it. You may use it to try and keep order in your individual household, but that is separate from your life as a Christian. But, as far as Christians, who have been adopted into God's family through faith in Jesus Christ, we live by faith.

"Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” Galatians 3:11

Grace and Peace

In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, while no one is justified before God by works of the law because they are not of faith, unlike the Mosaic Law. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Mosaic Law, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to a manner of living that is not in obedience to God's law. If we should live in accordance with God's nature and refrain from sin, then we should follow God's instructions for how to do that regardless of whom those instructions were given to.

Not believing God.

There are many verses in both the OT and the NT that associate believing in God with obeying Him and unbelief with disobedience.

No, we physically sin as well. But, in the context of what we are discussing here, we sin when we believe that Christians are subject to the Ten Commandments or the entire Mosaic Law. We sin when we believe the law has a role in our lives. As I have tried to layout with the verses I shared, the law has no place in the life of a Christian unless we are using it to bring an unbeliever to faith in Christ or showing Christians that God has not given it to use as a guide in our daily lives. Nothing needs to be cut out of the Bible. We just read things differently. Plus, what about all those verses I shared earlier. When are you going to address those? I already addressed 1 John 3:9 earlier.

Nowhere does the Bible define sin as subjecting ourselves to the Ten Commandments or to the entire Mosaic Law, but as transgressing it. We sin when we refuse to submit to it through faith. Christ followed the Mosaic Law and is absurd to think that following Christ has no place in the life of a follower of Christ.

I didn't ask you to about being free to violate the Ten Commandments, lol. But, whatever. I am willing to be judged by that which I am making a judgment. God judged me. The penalty was guilty. The penalty was death. Jesus took it all. There is now no sin being held against me that will result in Him taking His life from me. Now, I live in dependence on Him to live His life in and through me not in dependence on the law. Grace and Peace.

Depending on the Mosaic Law is depending on the Lawgiver.
 
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