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Link below is an article with a video if the user clicks video.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/gods-will-no-concern-congress-top-democrat-nadler-derides-god-video/
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“God’s Will is No Concern of This Congress” – Top Democrat Nadler Derides God (VIDEO)

Nadler is correct. Congress must not allow for religious views to be used as an argument in Congress, Christian, Muslim, or others. But of course every person in congress does use their own views in their deliberations.
 
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“God’s Will is No Concern of This Congress” – Top Democrat Nadler Derides God (VIDEO)

Nadler is correct. Congress must not allow for religious views to be used as an argument in Congress, Christian, Muslim, or others. But of course every person in congress does use their own views in their deliberations.
Do not murder is a religious view. It’s a law of God. Should we not use that one?
 
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Do not murder is a religious view. It’s a law of God. Should we not use that one?
Again, no religion can be used as an argument in secular government proceedings.
Not Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, or others.
 
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Again, no religion can be used as an argument in secular government proceedings.
Not Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, or others.
Again, murder is law in the Bible. Can we not use that?
 
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Well, they didn't exactly tell the truth about Nadler's comment, did they?
From the link:

That’s when Democrat leader Jerry Nadler jumped in, “Mr. Steube when any religious tradition ascribes as God’s will has no concern of this Congress.”

"God's Will is No Concern of This Congress" - Top Democrat Nadler Derides God (VIDEO)

He didn't disparage God, just some people who ascribe things as God's will. Isn't telling the truth, part of God's will? If so, those guys come up short, don't they?

Shame on them.
 
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Again, no religion can be used as an argument in secular government proceedings.
Not Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, or others.

Quite so.

Again, murder is law in the Bible. Can we not use that?

You can't justify it as a religious argument for a law, no. The Constitution bans establishment of religion. You can ban murder for other reasons, of course, which is how it's always been in our legal tradition.
 
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Well, they didn't exactly tell the truth about Nadler's comment, did they?
From the link:

That’s when Democrat leader Jerry Nadler jumped in, “Mr. Steube when any religious tradition ascribes as God’s will has no concern of this Congress.”

"God's Will is No Concern of This Congress" - Top Democrat Nadler Derides God (VIDEO)

He didn't disparage God, just people who ascribe things as God's will. Isn't telling the truth, part of God's will? If so, those guys come up short, don't they?

Shame on them.
Seems like a difference without a distinction.
 
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Quite so.



You can't justify it as a religious argument for a law, no. The Constitution bans establishment of religion. You can ban murder for other reasons, of course, which is how it's always been in our legal tradition.
Well, I’m not talking about establishing a religion. So your point is moot.
 
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Congress must not allow for religious views to be used as an argument in Congress, Christian, Muslim, or others.
Except that the will of sinful men is inherently contrary to the will of God.
In our natural, unconverted condition, we are God's enemies. Charles Spurgeon said, "the natural man says in his heart ' no God.' They killed Jesus Christ and were it in his power to do so, God would not last another moment."
Romans 8:7
the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Romans 12:2
do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
 
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Except that the will of sinful men is inherently contrary to the will of God.

You can't believe everything you read at face value.

1 Peter 2:13-17
2 Peter 2:10
Titus 3
1 Timothy 2
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1
Romans 13
Proverbs 21
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
Jude 1:8
Colossians 1:15-17
Ecclesiastes 10:20
Acts 8:32
Acts 23:5
Matthew 10:38

Exodus 22:28
“You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler of your people.
 
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Again, no religion can be used as an argument in secular government proceedings.
Not Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, or others.

What moral view can be used as an argument in secular government proceedings?
 
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Seems like a difference without a distinction.

If you make no distinction between what God says and what other people say that God says.

For me, it's an important distinction. Not so much for some others, I suppose.
 
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What moral view can be used as an argument in secular government proceedings?
Again, no religion can be used as an argument in secular government proceedings.
The Church of England is the reason for this distinction.
 
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What moral view can be used as an argument in secular government proceedings?

Christians see this as an example of natural law, as St. Paul mentioned it:
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves:

But whatever the reason is, I notice that atheists and agnostics clearly do have moral codes. So moot point.
 
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Christians see this as an example of natural law, as St. Paul mentioned it:
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves:

But whatever the reason is, I notice that atheists and agnostics clearly do have moral codes. So moot point.

Did you misread the question?
 
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What moral view can be used as an argument in secular government proceedings?
The golden rule may be used as a personal moral ideal as long as no attempt is made to justify it based on a specific religion.

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