Lords supper

mikeforjesus · Sep 6, 2020

The Lord supper was instituted by the Lord. I do not necessarily believe the communion is the only time of eating Christ it could be symbolic of one accepting Him first that He already communes with Christ and the ceremony is to show one accepts Him and lives in Him which is what eating and drinking Him is which is shown in a ceremony for the purpose of edification of others only to those who examine themselves

But if one believes the bible also teaches communion is necessary for sanctification one can go to a church that holds communion that accepts one. It is actually a command of Jesus that all churches should be practicing to have communion and one receives Him because of one faith by asking the Lord to bless the communion for one benefit which one must take in a church to encourage others to receive communion if one examines himself and come together to remember the Lord and God blesses it and sanctifies it. It could therefore allow one to be healed in this life not just live righteous to have life. For the rest it may be given in the age to come for those who are worthy who still lived righteous bearing Holy Spirit fruit to have spiritual life but not complete healing to have that life immediately. One will still need to be healed in the age to come but the spirit does not die as it can still be restored after being punished for not choosing healing now because one still did the will of God with guidance of the Holy Spirit but one was not fully healed without His gifts

Dan Perez · Feb 19, 2021

mikeforjesus said:
The Lord supper was instituted by the Lord. I do not necessarily believe the communion is the only time of eating Christ it could be symbolic of one accepting Him first that He already communes with Christ and the ceremony is to show one accepts Him and lives in Him which is what eating and drinking Him is which is shown in a ceremony for the purpose of edification of others only to those who examine themselves

But if one believes the bible also teaches communion is necessary for sanctification one can go to a church that holds communion that accepts one. It is actually a command of Jesus that all churches should be practicing to have communion and one receives Him because of one faith by asking the Lord to bless the communion for one benefit which one must take in a church to encourage others to receive communion if one examines himself and come together to remember the Lord and God blesses it and sanctifies it. It could therefore allow one to be healed in this life not just live righteous to have life. For the rest it may be given in the age to come for those who are worthy who still lived righteous bearing Holy Spirit fruit to have spiritual life but not complete healing to have that life immediately. One will still need to be healed in the age to come but the spirit does not die as it can still be restored after being punished for not choosing healing now because one still did the will of God with guidance of the Holy Spirit but one was not fully healed without His gifts

Hi and there are 2 what are called communion or Lord's supper .

#1 In Matt 26:28-29 which is for Israel ONLY and will not be used again , ONLY when Israel will in my FATHER'S KINGOM !

#2 The other Lord's supper , is found in 1 Cor 23-34 , which for only the BODY OF CHRIST and iit can the sin unto death as written in 1 Cor 11:30 .

dan p

MarkRohfrietsch · Feb 27, 2021

Dan Perez said:
Hi and there are 2 what are called communion or Lord's supper .

#1 In Matt 26:28-29 which is for Israel ONLY and will not be used again , ONLY when Israel will in my FATHER'S KINGOM !

#2 The other Lord's supper , is found in 1 Cor 23-34 , which for only the BODY OF CHRIST and iit can the sin unto death as written in 1 Cor 11:30 .

dan p

It is also found in the Gospels, and outside of Scripture is is described in the Didache, known as "The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles", and dates to the 1st or 2 nd century. This document narrowly missed being included in the Bible, as the "authorship" could not be identified. It is because of this document that Liturgy and structure remain in the traditional Churches. If one is Lutheran Anglican, Catholic or Orthodox, it will seem very familiar; and for most reformed protestants, very unfamiliar. Didache - Wikipedia

Gregorikos · Feb 27, 2021

Dan Perez said:
Hi and there are 2 what are called communion or Lord's supper .

#1 In Matt 26:28-29 which is for Israel ONLY and will not be used again , ONLY when Israel will in my FATHER'S KINGOM !

#2 The other Lord's supper , is found in 1 Cor 23-34 , which for only the BODY OF CHRIST and iit can the sin unto death as written in 1 Cor 11:30 .

dan p

I believe those those are one and the same. Why do you believe otherwise?

Clare73 · Feb 27, 2021

Dan Perez said:
Hi and there are 2 what are called communion or Lord's supper .

#1 In Matt 26:28-29 which is for Israel ONLY and will not be used again , ONLY when Israel will in my FATHER'S KINGOM !

You are reading that into the text. Jesus says nothing about Israel. He is talking to his apostles of the NT.

The Lord's Supper is the firstfruits of (Ro 8:23), and a down payment on, that communion with God in the life to come
(Ex 25:30; Lev 24:5, 8; Mt 22:2; Lk 22:30; Jn 6:48-58; 1Co 10:17, 11:27-29; Rev 3:20, 19:7-9).

#2 The other Lord's supper , is found in 1 Cor 23-34 , which for only the BODY OF CHRIST and iit can the sin unto death as written in 1 Cor 11:30.

That is contrary to NT teaching, which is that
God has only one people going back to Abraham (Gal 3:16 26-29), the one olive tree of both Jews and Gentiles who believe in the person and work of Jesus Christ (Ro 11:16-17), the Church (ek-klesia, "called-out assembly"), and into which it is Israel's destiny to be grafted (Ro 11:23).

Victor in Christ · Mar 23, 2021

1 Corinthians 11:18-34

18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

mikeforjesus · Apr 15, 2021

Here is an explanation of the Lord supper that makes sense and I feel is probably right but if one doubts and disagrees and thinks it is needed for grace one can have it but it would seem it would only be necessary if one always has the chance to have it and takes it when one always has the chance

The Lord's Supper: Celebration of the New Covenant

Dick Barton · Aug 5, 2021

mikeforjesus said:
The Lord supper was instituted by the Lord. I do not necessarily believe the communion is the only time of eating Christ it could be symbolic of one accepting Him first that He already communes with Christ and the ceremony is to show one accepts Him and lives in Him which is what eating and drinking Him is which is shown in a ceremony for the purpose of edification of others only to those who examine themselves

But if one believes the bible also teaches communion is necessary for sanctification one can go to a church that holds communion that accepts one. It is actually a command of Jesus that all churches should be practicing to have communion and one receives Him because of one faith by asking the Lord to bless the communion for one benefit which one must take in a church to encourage others to receive communion if one examines himself and come together to remember the Lord and God blesses it and sanctifies it. It could therefore allow one to be healed in this life not just live righteous to have life. For the rest it may be given in the age to come for those who are worthy who still lived righteous bearing Holy Spirit fruit to have spiritual life but not complete healing to have that life immediately. One will still need to be healed in the age to come but the spirit does not die as it can still be restored after being punished for not choosing healing now because one still did the will of God with guidance of the Holy Spirit but one was not fully healed without His gifts

I would be interested to find out where your ideas are in scripture.

FYI, the New Testament Church did not have your so called communion. They had breaking of bread which was a meal.

Dick Barton · Aug 5, 2021

Victor in Christ said:
1 Corinthians 11:18-34

18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

And what is the purpose of quoting those verses?

mikeforjesus · Aug 5, 2021

Dick Barton said:
I would be interested to find out where your ideas are in scripture.

FYI, the New Testament Church did not have your so called communion. They had breaking of bread which was a meal.

I said to you already jesus said take eat this is My body broken for you do this in remembrance of Me how can we know if He means by eating it that is His flesh He told to eat before but we cant know because we can’t know if eating His flesh is meant literally or spiritually but we should do it incase Paul said the bread which we break is it not the communion of the body of Christ and the cup which we bless is it not the communion of the
blood of Christ it depends what he means by communion we can’t know as it could mean to come to remember His body that was broken and blood that was shed in remembering to commune with Him and He could be present in a special way to remember Him that only believers are to partake of for all who partake of it show they are united as one bread and one body that they accept Christ

Gregorikos · Aug 5, 2021

Dick Barton said:
FYI, the New Testament Church did not have your so called communion. They had breaking of bread which was a meal.

And that "breaking of bread" is referred to as κοινωνία (communion) in 1 Corinthians 10:16.

Dick Barton · Aug 5, 2021

mikeforjesus said:
I said to you already jesus said take eat this is My body broken for you do this in remembrance of Me how can we know if He means by eating it that is His flesh He told to eat before but we cant know because we can’t know if eating His flesh is meant literally or spiritually but we should do it incase Paul said the bread which we break is it not the communion of the body of Christ and the cup which we bless is it not the communion of the
blood of Christ it depends what he means by communion we can’t know as it could mean to come to remember His body that was broken and blood that was shed in remembering to commune with Him and He could be present in a special way to remember Him that only believers are to partake of for all who partake of it show they are united as one bread and one body that they accept Christ

As I have said many times, Jesus would not be asking them to break or ignore the Old Testament Law which says that a Jew is not allowed to eat human flesh or drink human blood.

MarkRohfrietsch · Aug 5, 2021

Dick Barton said:
I would be interested to find out where your ideas are in scripture.

FYI, the New Testament Church did not have your so called communion. They had breaking of bread which was a meal.

Actually, yes, they did. Read the Didache.

MarkRohfrietsch · Aug 5, 2021

Dick Barton said:
As I have said many times, Jesus would not be asking them to break or ignore the Old Testament Law which says that a Jew is not allowed to eat human flesh or drink human blood.

Read Paul's Epistles regarding dietary laws for follower of Christ; note also that St. Peter did eventually agree with Paul regarding Gentiles and dietary restrictions. You seem to have no desire to look at why others believe as we do; rather it is easy to shut others out under the guise of supporting your beliefs. Let's try and understand each other, rather than condemn each other.

Dick Barton · Aug 5, 2021

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Actually, yes, they did. Read the Didache.

I will assume by your answer there is nothing in scripture to back up what you say

It is your job to quote the Didache. Not mine to look it up.

MarkRohfrietsch · Aug 6, 2021

Dick Barton said:
I will assume by your answer there is nothing in scripture to back up what you say

It is your job to quote the Didache. Not mine to look it up.

As a Christian, it is not your duty to seek truth and understanding; why are you posting here then, or are you just trolling?

Anyway, since it is too much work, here it is. Scholars agree that it was written around 90 a.d., or within 30-40 years of Christ's ascention; I doubt you will even look at it, sincy you already are the "font and source of all wisdom", but here it is: Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation Roberts-Donaldson).

MarkRohfrietsch · Aug 6, 2021

Dick Barton said:
I will assume by your answer there is nothing in scripture to back up what you say

It is your job to quote the Didache. Not mine to look it up.

Dick Barton · Aug 6, 2021

MarkRohfrietsch said:
As a Christian, it is not your duty to seek truth and understanding; why are you posting here then, or are you just trolling?

Anyway, since it is too much work, here it is. Scholars agree that it was written around 90 a.d., or within 30-40 years of Christ's ascention; I doubt you will even look at it, sincy you already are the "font and source of all wisdom", but here it is: Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation Roberts-Donaldson).

Did you know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

Did you know your reply was lacking grace?

Did you know you still haven't answered my question?

Did you know that avoidance is a sure sign you don't know?

MarkRohfrietsch · Aug 7, 2021

Dick Barton said:
Did you know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

Did you know your reply was lacking grace?

Did you know you still haven't answered my question?

Did you know that avoidance is a sure sign you don't know?

I provided what you asked; did you read it?

I stand by my post; we have been reasonable, it is you that came into a discussion thread with a closed mind, denigrating the beliefs of others with no desire to try and understand.

As Christians, we should seek to find the similarities between us and use this as a basis to understand our differences. Most who come here trying to used their "personal understanding" as a hammer are trolls. Prove me wrong.

BTW, life is too short to get this stuff wrong.

Albion · Aug 7, 2021

Dick Barton said:
As I have said many times, Jesus would not be asking them to break or ignore the Old Testament Law which says that a Jew is not allowed to eat human flesh or drink human blood.

Obviously, Jesus was not asking them to eat his literal body, his arm or heart, etc.

He was referring to a mystical event, a supernatural event, in which he is truly and intimately made present with the disciples. The Lord's Supper is not exclusively a mental activity, nor is it but a gesture or a symbol.

The objection is sometimes raised that Jesus also said it was to be done in remembrance of him, but there is no sense in thinking that the ceremony cannot be a remembrance in addition to whatever else it is.

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