Why would God choose choose circumcision for His Covenant?

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It was a possibility that came to mind. I think the medical reason given for performing the procedure to such a large extent in America in the 20th century was that it was hygienic.
No! The reason was giving by a f*cked up man, John Harvey Kellogg, he insisted that circumcision prevented masturbation, he also suggested to burn the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] with phenol. The man didn't even sleep with his wife, they didn't have biological children, it seems the man was so mental sick he was repulsed by any form of sex
 
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No! The reason was giving by a f*cked up man, John Harvey Kellogg, he insisted that circumcision prevented masturbation, he also suggested to burn the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] with phenol. The man didn't even sleep with his wife, they didn't have biological children, it seems the man was so mental sick he was repulsed by any form of sex

Interesting. I didn't know Kellogg was involved. But I know the common excuse for it in the 20th century was that it was hygienic. Mind you I didn't say the reason, as in a realistic reason, but rather the excuse for it.
 
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Look, if man has sex regularly, and he's not circumcised, etc, and he doesn't at least keep that area clean once a day, preferably at the start of the day, or in the morning, etc, and then almost right after every single time he has sex also, etc, and doesn't make sure he pees at least once right after every single time he has sex, etc, then that uncircumcised man will have problems "down there", etc... And it is also important that he does his best after every single washing, and/or peeing, etc, to keep it as dry as he can also afterwards, etc, and as dry as he can almost all of the time, etc, as the moisture being kept in can cause problems also, or be a breeding ground for problems (bacteria, infections, etc) also, most especially if it's not being kept clean, etc...

And when he's a boy, maybe right around puberty, as some have suggested, etc, anyway, once that foreskin is pulled back, etc, if he isn't taught almost all of these things right away, etc, he will have problems with bacteria and infections, also yeast sometimes, etc, and then if when he comes to the point when he's having sex regularly, etc, and he's not doing all that I just said, etc, and also all of what I just said up to this point already also, etc, when he starts having sex, if he is not already in the habit of these things, etc, and does/doesn't already know and is doing all these things, etc, then not only do bacteria and infections and yeast come into play, but then also at that point STD's, and possibly being a carrier and spreader of STD's, etc, if He is not doing all of these things regularly, etc...

Circumcised men have a whole heck of a lot less problems with this in general, etc, their area is, and always kept and stays dry, etc, and it's very easy to clean and take care of and/or keep clean, etc, to the point where he really doesn't have to even do it nearly as much as the uncircumcised male does, and in fact, not even close to what the uncircumcised male does, or has to, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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Look, if man has sex regularly, and he's not circumcised, etc, and he doesn't at least keep that area clean once a day, preferably at the start of the day, or in the morning, etc, and then almost right after every single time he has sex also, etc, and doesn't make sure he pees at least once right after every single time he has sex, etc, then that uncircumcised man will have problems "down there", etc... And it is also important that he does his best after every single washing, and/or peeing, etc, to keep it as dry as he can also afterwards, etc, and as dry as he can almost all of the time, etc, as the moisture being kept in can cause problems also, or be a breeding ground for problems (bacteria, infections, etc) also, most especially if it's not being kept clean, etc...

And when he's a boy, maybe right around puberty, as some have suggested, etc, anyway, once that foreskin is pulled back, etc, if he isn't taught almost all of these things right away, etc, he will have problems with bacteria and infections, also yeast sometimes, etc, and then if when he comes to the point when he's having sex regularly, etc, and he's not doing all that I just said, etc, and also all of what I just said up to this point already also, etc, when he starts having sex, if he is not already in the habit of these things, etc, and does/doesn't already know and is doing all these things, etc, then not only do bacteria and infections and yeast come into play, but then also at that point STD's, and possibly being a carrier and spreader of STD's, etc, if He is not doing all of these things regularly, etc...

Circumcised men have a whole heck of a lot less problems with this in general, etc, their area is, and always kept and stays dry, etc, and it's very easy to clean and take care of and/or keep clean, etc, to the point where he really doesn't have to even do it nearly as much as the uncircumcised male does, and in fact, not even close to what the uncircumcised male does, or has to, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
And it's also very embarrassing if your own mother has to teach you all these things, and has to make sure you are actually doing them around that age (right around puberty, etc), as a young pubescent, or pre-pubescent young male, etc, so that you won't have nearly as many problems with it going into, or when you get into adulthood, etc...

Very embarrassing, etc...

Sure makes you make sure you are taking care of it though, at least I can say that much for sure, etc...

Anything to avoid any more of that, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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And it's also very embarrassing if your own mother has to teach you all these things, and has to make sure you are actually doing them around that age (right around puberty, etc), as a young pubescent, or pre-pubescent young male, etc, so that you won't have nearly as many problems with it going into, or when you get into adulthood, etc...

Very embarrassing, etc...

Sure makes you make sure you are taking care of it though, at least I can say that much for sure, etc...

Anything to avoid any more of that, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
Oh but she says, "I saw it all the time when you were a baby"...

"Yeah, well, that actually doesn't help at all mom"...

Anyway,

Anyway, really she was just a very awesome mom, and an awesome amazing lady though, God rest her soul now, etc...

And as embarrassing as it was, I'm actually kind of very glad she did it now...

And even back then also, etc...

I would have to be able to answer her, very honestly, cause she could just somehow automatically tell when I was lying about it, etc, anyway, I would have to be able to answer her very honestly, when she just had to ask about it, etc, anyway, I would have to be able to answer her very honestly, "Really, I'm taking care of it OK, no I'm not having any kinds of problems with it I swear, OK, and no, you don't have to look at it or see it OK, I promise, OK"...

And she could tell if I was ever lying about it, etc...

Anyway, moving on...

God Bless!
 
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Oh but she says, "I saw it all the time when you were a baby"...

"Yeah, well, that actually doesn't help at all mom"...

Anyway,

Anyway, really she was just a very awesome mom, and an awesome amazing lady though, God rest her soul now, etc...

And as embarrassing as it was, I'm actually kind of very glad she did it now...

And even back then also, etc...

I would have to be able to answer her, very honestly, cause she could just somehow automatically tell when I was lying about it, etc, anyway, I would have to be able to answer her very honestly, when she just had to ask about it, etc, anyway, I would have to be able to answer her very honestly, "Really, I'm taking care of it OK, no I'm not having any kinds of problems with it I swear, OK, and no, you don't have to look at it or see it OK, I promise, OK"...

And she could tell if I was ever lying about it, etc...

Anyway, moving on...

God Bless!
She was taken from me when I was 21, and she battled cancer pretty much all throughout my life, got it once, had surgery, and survived it for awhile at first, but it eventually came back in other areas of her body after that later on in her's and my life, etc, but she fought to the end, etc, but in the end, it eventually claimed her life when I was right about the age of 21, etc...

And even though she had a long hard fight and battle with cancer much of her adult life, etc, she never stopped in being an amazing mom, etc, or in fulfilling her duties in taking care of us all at all ever, etc...

I'm hardly ever sad about it though, cause I know if anybody's getting in, or if any of us are ever getting in at all, etc, then she would have already entered in, or made it in, way, way ahead of all of the rest of us, etc, long, long before any of us, etc, so I'm hardly ever really ever that sad about it anymore really, etc...

I know I'll see her again, etc, probably be the first one I see, etc... well, maybe only with the only exception maybe only being God and Jesus only maybe, etc...

But I'm also still not quite sure how all of that works yet also, etc...

Who you see first, or last, or in-between, etc...

But she's sure to be at the very top of the list I think, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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But, as for the societal laws, or whatever, I still think Moses or some other Prophet that heard from God was consulted and were very much involved, etc, and they, those Prophets, always sought out direct revelation and guidance from God in almost all decision making matters just about all of the time, if not all of time always, etc, and they (those laws) were also very appropriate for that society and/or culture, and their quote/unquote "laws", and/or beliefs at the time, during that day or age or time, etc...

Sure, but at the same time there are some laws that can be assumed weren't divine authoritarian-ship as packaged. We go back in time when the Jews had no absolute nation, no governance, no rulers... by that, how would they make any laws that society would just agree and follow on? Just like every small community (tribe) back then, their call to authoritarian would be a deity.

God could have instructed moses about it, maybe God had the medical facts about it in my mind.. maybe Moses could have interpreted as a divine order. We don't know, at the end when you think about it, how obscure does it sound to you that God's form of "branding" to involve slicing off foreskin of male genitals?
 
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Sure, but at the same time there are some laws that can be assumed weren't divine authoritarian-ship as packaged. We go back in time when the Jews had no absolute nation, no governance, no rulers... by that, how would they make any laws that society would just agree and follow on? Just like every small community (tribe) back then, their call to authoritarian would be a deity.

God could have instructed moses about it, maybe God had the medical facts about it in my mind.. maybe Moses could have interpreted as a divine order. We don't know, at the end when you think about it, how obscure does it sound to you that God's form of "branding" to involve slicing off foreskin of male genitals?
That last line, etc...?

Anyway, if you want to say that we don't know, so we just can't know, then fine, whatever suits you or whatever floats your boat, etc...

But many of those laws, not all of them yet mind you, but a lot of them, we have only found out that later on, they had, some of them again mind you, etc, but I think we might discover the "wisdom" of many much more of them in the future, etc, but, anyway, many of them, we have only discovered or uncovered the great wisdom of them for back then that only could be known or only could have possibly been uncovered or discovered until very much later on, etc, had some very, very good reasons, and/or explanations, and/or purposes to them, etc, that really couldn't even be known until very much more later on after, etc...

And I like I said, I think we'll discover or uncover even maybe much more about them in the future still maybe, etc...

And that's just only in the physical, etc, or is only pertaining to the things belonging to and only of this world or reality only, etc, because that still leaves out everything with them having to do with having much more symbolic, or much more metaphoric, etc, or much more quote/unquote "spiritual", etc, reasons and/or explanations and/or purposes to them also, etc...

How they were all "shadows" of the true Kingdom that is to come, etc...

Anyway...

God Bless!
 
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People here think only men back then lived in deserts, women too, they struggled with hygiene as well, as it's far easier for a woman to get an infection in her groin than for a man to get one in his, add the female menstruation at that time with none of today's pads, tampons, panty liners, etc

Fun fact, the female anatomy is self cleaning. It maintains the proper pH balance to avoid or kill infection, and flushes out anything untoward. The main concern on the female end is urinary tract infection, which can be very problematic. Perhaps circumcision has an effect on this, but none of my (admittedly quick) research says one way or the other.

This does not speak in any way to the question of "Why, God?" I just thought it bore mentioning, having been brought up several times.
 
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But it was only within Judaism/Christianity that it was meant to point out something, or point to something, far greater, etc...
It is cancelled in Christianity. I'm not sure why you mention Christianity. Clearly, Christians are not commanded to practice circumcision.

In no other religion or circle has it ever meant that, etc... Cause that is unique to Jews and Christians, or Christians and Jews, etc...
It's quite possible that ancient Egyptian priests told people that the gods wanted them to be circumcised. How do you know that this wasn't the case?

Note that during the entire 40 year desert wandering of the Israelites in the time of Moses circumcision was not practiced according to the book of Joshua (Joshua 5:2-12)!!!

And the entire book of Deuteronomy only mentions circumcision as a “spiritual” rite of the heart–connected to a passionate love of God–and this notion is echoed in the Prophets (Deut 10:16; 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4)!!!

These facts raise legitimate questions.
 
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Look, if man has sex regularly, and he's not circumcised, etc, and he doesn't at least keep that area clean once a day, preferably at the start of the day, or in the morning, etc, and then almost right after every single time he has sex also, etc, and doesn't make sure he pees at least once right after every single time he has sex, etc, then that uncircumcised man will have problems "down there", etc... And it is also important that he does his best after every single washing, and/or peeing, etc, to keep it as dry as he can also afterwards, etc, and as dry as he can almost all of the time, etc, as the moisture being kept in can cause problems also, or be a breeding ground for problems (bacteria, infections, etc) also, most especially if it's not being kept clean, etc...

And when he's a boy, maybe right around puberty, as some have suggested, etc, anyway, once that foreskin is pulled back, etc, if he isn't taught almost all of these things right away, etc, he will have problems with bacteria and infections, also yeast sometimes, etc, and then if when he comes to the point when he's having sex regularly, etc, and he's not doing all that I just said, etc, and also all of what I just said up to this point already also, etc, when he starts having sex, if he is not already in the habit of these things, etc, and does/doesn't already know and is doing all these things, etc, then not only do bacteria and infections and yeast come into play, but then also at that point STD's, and possibly being a carrier and spreader of STD's, etc, if He is not doing all of these things regularly, etc...

Circumcised men have a whole heck of a lot less problems with this in general, etc, their area is, and always kept and stays dry, etc, and it's very easy to clean and take care of and/or keep clean, etc, to the point where he really doesn't have to even do it nearly as much as the uncircumcised male does, and in fact, not even close to what the uncircumcised male does, or has to, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
The Human Foreskin: Understanding Its Functions and Purpose

Idk where you got all that info, but it's hard to believe. My brothers are all uncut, and they're mounting women (they're non christians) often, they've been doing so for the last several years, and they've never had any problems, one of my uncles lived a CRAZY lifestyle until his early 60s, never had a single problem with being uncut.

It's just that circumcision in the US is SO ingrained into the culture, that people create false accusations against foreskins to promote circumcision, why so? Because that's really profitable, mutilating boys moves lots of money, that's why everyone's making stupid calls.
The 2 largest countries in the world don't cut, as well as the whole of Europe (except muslim Azerbaijan), Japan, New Zealand, Latin America, Canada, in all of these regions boys don't get cut, in Australia and South Korea circumcision rates are falling drastically.
Foreskin is not a birth defect
 
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Fun fact, the female anatomy is self cleaning. It maintains the proper pH balance to avoid or kill infection, and flushes out anything untoward. The main concern on the female end is urinary tract infection, which can be very problematic. Perhaps circumcision has an effect on this, but none of my (admittedly quick) research says one way or the other.

This does not speak in any way to the question of "Why, God?" I just thought it bore mentioning, having been brought up several times.
People who support child abbuse, I mean, circumcision, often say “it prevents UTIs” but fun fact, it's WAY easirer for women to get UTIs than for men to get them, in my country 95% of men are uncut, and men rarely get UTIs, but women do often.

The ONLY reason circumcision is practiced in the US is because it generates a lot of money, that's right, people in our days make money at the expense of baby boy's bodies
 
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The question asked was about God and Man in a different place and time, however.

Nah, he's just making that 33% idea up. There's no real source for knowing that. He's on an agenda against the idea of circumcision, it's plain to see that now.
 
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No needed? It's like if God asked women to remove their [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], the foreskin is the most sexually-sensitive part of the man.
The foreskin is the excess skin covering the most sexually-sensitive part of the man. The [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is analogous to the glans (head) of the male, not the foreskin.

Research reported in The Journal of Urology® indicates "that there are no differences in penile sensitivity for a variety of stimulus types and penile sites between circumcised and intact men." Lead author Jennifer Bossio, PhD candidate in Clinical Psychology of the Department of Psychology, explained "This study indicates that neonatal circumcision is not associated with changes in penile sensitivity and provides preliminary evidence to suggest that the foreskin is not the most sensitive part of the penis."

Neonatal circumcision does not reduce penile sensitivity in men
 
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That last line, etc...?

Anyway, if you want to say that we don't know, so we just can't know, then fine, whatever suits you or whatever floats your boat, etc...

But many of those laws, not all of them yet mind you, but a lot of them, we have only found out that later on, they had, some of them again mind you, etc, but I think we might discover the "wisdom" of many much more of them in the future, etc, but, anyway, many of them, we have only discovered or uncovered the great wisdom of them for back then that only could be known or only could have possibly been uncovered or discovered until very much later on, etc, had some very, very good reasons, and/or explanations, and/or purposes to them, etc, that really couldn't even be known until very much more later on after, etc...

And I like I said, I think we'll discover or uncover even maybe much more about them in the future still maybe, etc...
And that's just only in the physical, etc, or is only pertaining to the things belonging to and only of this world or reality only, etc, because that still leaves out everything with them having to do with having much more symbolic, or much more metaphoric, etc, or much more quote/unquote "spiritual", etc, reasons and/or explanations and/or purposes to them also, etc...

How they were all "shadows" of the true Kingdom that is to come, etc...
The whole Mosaic code of sacrifices, things that defile, cleansings, feasts, holy years, Temple, corban etc. were all patterns/shadows/copies
(Col 2:17; Heb 8:5, 9:23, 10:1) of things to come in the New Covenant.

Why not circumcision. . .the (seed of) life coming through the shed blood?
 
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It is cancelled in Christianity. I'm not sure why you mention Christianity. Clearly, Christians are not commanded to practice circumcision.
It's quite possible that ancient Egyptian priests told people that the gods wanted them to be circumcised. How do you know that this wasn't the case?
Note that during the entire 40 year desert wandering of the Israelites in the time of Moses circumcision was not practiced according to the book of Joshua (Joshua 5:2-12)!!!
And the entire book of Deuteronomy only mentions circumcision as a “spiritual” rite of the heart–connected to a passionate love of God–and this notion is echoed in the Prophets (Deut 10:16; 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4)!!!
Until you get to Joshua, where they begin to move out to conquer Canaan, and all the adult males are circumcised at the same time. . .OUCH!
These facts raise legitimate questions.
 
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Circumcision causes the male to lose sexual sensitivity. I don't understand it either, although I begrudgingly admit the cleanliness factor in ancient times. No excuse for it today imo, other than in the rare cases of a very tight, unretractable and uncomfortable foreskin as was the case with my nephew (who had the op age 2 and a half).
Well Ive had some friends over the years who have been circumcised and they said they never had any problems. One was circumcised as an adult and said he preferred it. So I dont know where you get that from.
 
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The foreskin is the excess skin covering the most sexually-sensitive part of the man. The [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is analogous to the glans (head) of the male, not the foreskin.

Research reported in The Journal of Urology® indicates "that there are no differences in penile sensitivity for a variety of stimulus types and penile sites between circumcised and intact men." Lead author Jennifer Bossio, PhD candidate in Clinical Psychology of the Department of Psychology, explained "This study indicates that neonatal circumcision is not associated with changes in penile sensitivity and provides preliminary evidence to suggest that the foreskin is not the most sensitive part of the penis."

Neonatal circumcision does not reduce penile sensitivity in men
The Human Foreskin: Understanding Its Functions and Purpose

And who says circumcision doesn't reduce pleasure? A woman, oh I see. The foreskin helps to lubricate, and it's softer than the glans, which makes intercourse easier
 
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No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code

In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ.


Why was Moses asked to strike the rock for water?

2They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.


There are alot of things in the old testament were done in order to reflect the new. The old covenant was about the physical, the new is the same but the spiritual side.

I believe God does them so that the jews would know that they came from him, and so that they would understand what they mean.

Hence, we have circumsion in the old, but it reflects the circumsion of our hearts, by God, in the new.
 
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