God took David's child's life - a contradicion in the Bible?

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How was his son not punished, if God let him die because of David's sin?

Spiritual laws are broken by sin and some give Satan the legal right to act.

This aspect of Christianity is not often spoken about.

I don't see that the child died in great suffering. The Lord always puts boundaries on exactly what Satan can do.(think Job)

Death is not the end - it is sad but really just a journey to a better life.

I don't see why we put the tag of the punishment of a boy on this event.

It is more about David loosing a son and the pain that comes with that.
 
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That's one way to see it. Is it like that, if I sin it may open up the door for the demonic to have consequences on family?

If you are the head - yes...

This principle is serious and needs to be discussed more.

It also applies to church when leaders have concealed sin - the congregation can be spiritually vulnerable.
 
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This/these (kind of examples) is/are some of the exact reasons I believe God in and of the OT did change, or go through some changes over time, etc, leading up to Jesus time, etc, and also maybe after or during Jesus time, etc...

Cause there seems to be some change here, etc...

There is passage in Exodus as well (can't find it right now) that also talks about Him punishing the children for their fathers or forefathers crimes as well, etc, toward those who hate Him, etc, but shouldn't He have "already known", etc...? "Already known" who those ones would be, or would become, or who they already are or were or would be, etc, etc, etc, in the future, etc...? Shouldn't He have "already known", etc...?

Anyway...

Anyway, and that seems to have changed by the time we get to Ezekiel, etc, multiple places in that book that He says He is no longer going to do that, etc, or operate like that, etc, but that each one would only now only stand only each one individually for their own crimes only now, etc, almost as if, He (God in and of the OT), had "learned" that "that" wasn't very productive anymore, etc, but was actually counter-productive to what He was actually trying to do, or make happen, or cause to come to pass, and/or accomplish, etc...

And in my opinion, there seems to a lot of this in the OT, etc, as if God was "learning", etc...

Or growing, changing, and/or evolving, etc...

Why I think He is/always was/has to be/have been, etc, etc, etc, God the Spirit, etc, or God the Holy Spirit, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
I hear what you're saying.

I think it's that
God doesn't change,
But his manner of revelation does.
Or maybe perceptions about Him change.
 
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If you are the head - yes...

This principle is serious and needs to be discussed more.

It also applies to church when leaders have concealed sin - the congregation can be spiritually vulnerable.
Agreed totally. There is no such thing as 'Hidden' or 'Private Sin'. It all affects everyone.

Not only are those affected, made vulnerable, (or perhaps as part of that fact) the very mindset and demeanor of the person committing the sin involves pride and self-importance regardless of any humility or regret he may feel. His witness is affected. His presumed authority is false. He is false. And God's name is besmirched even if the sin has not been made public.

I'm not saying that there isn't a time to keep from making sin a public spectacle. I'm saying that if a sin, particularly for one who presumes to speak on God's behalf, is not stopped, the 'believer' sinning is committing a worse sin than he may realize.
 
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It's not by God's hand, but God allows certain things to take place, and prevents others.

God could have restored David's son - who was sick, but didn't. He could have prevented the illness in the first place, but didn't, but it was still just a natural thing. Babies can get sick, they can die, no one's above the potential of experiencing that because we live in a fallen world.

David was simply told in advance the why, for him - in order to cause David to truly repent and do better in the future..

As far as your question, I just read the prophets a lot. There are covenant differences, and the sin thing I considered a long time ago. Same type of questions as yours...that was my conclusion in the end.

God allowing is in the line of my thinking. It's by no means I say God is unjust. I just try to understand the story from a good perspective.
 
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Who are we to question God? This is the bigger question. Blessings.

PS: Your sister example does not equate, perhaps you have another ?

I don't accept things if they aren't reasonable. I'm not questioning God. I'm trying to understand the story from a reasonable perspective. I believe the Bible is reasonable. When it "isn't" think it's lack of understanding. I never leave it with "God is God. God does what he does" and settle with that.
 
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Cont... Did it ever occur to you that the infants death was always in play ? We are all appointed a time to die. Perhaps David's prayers for intervention were not answered this time around as God was not delighted.

Yes, that would be more reasonable that God allowed the disease to do it's thing.
 
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No, you are not paralyzed as punishment for someone else's sin. Job was not being punished for anyone's sin --not even his own.

You are paralyzed for God's purposes, just as Job was afflicted for God's purposes.

As a side note: if someone runs you over on purpose, paralyzing you, it is still also God-caused, just as it was God-caused for Satan to afflict Job. Satan is to be blamed --he is not God, who has absolute right to do as he pleases with his creation --including his right to use Satan for God's own purposes. God is not to be blamed. That does not mean that our reasoning is not presumptuous to extrapolate blame onto God if we consider him to have caused all things. We most certainly assume things that are not true, when Scriptures tell us he does cause all things.

A madman is perhaps among the most logical of people. His reasoning may be altogether logical, but begin from a presumption that is self-important, selfish and false, and lacking in "but-wait-a-minute" during his logical trajectory toward his false conclusion. The madman deals in absolutes. This does not mean there are no absolutes, but the madman fails to take into account the fact that he is not able to comprehend them absolutely. We Christians are sometimes a bit mad.

I don't think we share the same view on God's rights. I don't think God is allowed to do whatever. Why, because God's character is not allowing Him to do everything.
 
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Yes it would be a blessing for the aborted child. What’s the ultimate goal here in this world for a Christian? Do we live for this world or the next? This world is nothing, it’s just a place to cultivate sheep and separate them from the goats.

Oh, I disagree. I don't see this time on Earth as a passage to heaven. I believe God put us here for a purpose and life here is important to us and important to God. God loves His creation.

Entering heaven is of course a blessing for everyone. But death here is rarely a blessing from my view.
 
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I don't accept things if they aren't reasonable. I'm not questioning God. I'm trying to understand the story from a reasonable perspective. I believe the Bible is reasonable. When it "isn't" think it's lack of understanding.
I never leave it with "God is God. God does what he does" and settle with that.
That's good up to a point.

Keep reasoning and thinking. . .you'll get there. . .it's called the sovereignty of God (Da 4:35; Ex 33:19; Ro 9:18, 20-21).
 
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If you are the head - yes...

This principle is serious and needs to be discussed more.

It also applies to church when leaders have concealed sin - the congregation can be spiritually vulnerable.

I agree with this. That is also something for us to remember when we are thinking of choosing sin.
 
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I don't think we share the same view on God's rights. I don't think God is allowed to do whatever. Why, because God's character is not allowing Him to do everything.
God owes everyone only one things: to give him his due, what he has earned--justice.
 
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I don't accept things if they aren't reasonable. I'm not questioning God. I'm trying to understand the story from a reasonable perspective. I believe the Bible is reasonable. When it "isn't" think it's lack of understanding. I never leave it with "God is God. God does what he does" and settle with that.
Well said.
 
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That's good up to a point.

Keep reasoning and thinking. . .you'll get there. . .it's called the sovereignty of God (Da 4:35; Ex 33:19; Ro 9:18, 20-21).

I guess God has wired me to be a person who wants to understand everything. :)
 
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Oh, I disagree. I don't see this time on Earth as a passage to heaven. I believe God put us here for a purpose and life here is important to us and important to God. God loves His creation.

Entering heaven is of course a blessing for everyone. But death here is rarely a blessing from my view.

You haven't suffered much then... I fully admit many times thinking death would be a blessing...
 
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I don't think we share the same view on God's rights. I don't think God is allowed to do whatever. Why, because God's character is not allowing Him to do everything.

That's true, God is limited by His own nature. God cannot be unjust because He is entirely just etc.

I do think sometimes we have too fallen a view to completely grasp the nature of God... people think with their limited understanding, and as Paul says now we see through a glass darkly but then, face to face... our understanding right now only goes so far but one day we will understand the totality...
 
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I guess God has wired me to be a person who wants to understand everything. :)
Nothing wrong with that. . .it will aid you greatly in your study and understadning of the Word of God.
 
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You haven't suffered much then... I fully admit many times thinking death would be a blessing...

Well, I have had my share of hardship. Life is still a blessing to me. Of course I won't say there aren't people that has suffered worse trials.
 
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Oh, I disagree. I don't see this time on Earth as a passage to heaven. I believe God put us here for a purpose and life here is important to us and important to God. God loves His creation.

Entering heaven is of course a blessing for everyone. But death here is rarely a blessing from my view.

Then why will all life on this earth come to an end?
 
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