God took David's child's life - a contradicion in the Bible?

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Why do you think the child was punished? It was David's punishment for the child to die. If a child dies in other cases, is it to punish the child?

You may as well say that God is lying to say that the person who sins shall die, since most sins don't bring immediate death, and most deaths are natural, apparently unrelated to any of the sins a person has committed!

Not sure how you are arguing here. If God is making me paralyzed because of something another did (like him being unfaithful to his wife), am I not punished by God for this person's sin? Of course it's different if the person sins by running me over with his car and that makes me paralyzed. Then it's not God's doing I'm paralyzed.
 
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Not sure how you are arguing here. If God is making me paralyzed because of something another did, am I not punished by God for this person's sin? Of course it's different if the person is running me over with his car and that makes me paralyzed. Then it's not God's doing I'm paralyzed.

It's not by God's hand, but God allows certain things to take place, and prevents others.

God could have restored David's son - who was sick, but didn't. He could have prevented the illness in the first place, but didn't, but it was still just a natural thing. Babies can get sick, they can die, no one's above the potential of experiencing that because we live in a fallen world.

David was simply told in advance the why, for him - in order to cause David to truly repent and do better in the future..

As far as your question, I just read the prophets a lot. There are covenant differences, and the sin thing I considered a long time ago. Same type of questions as yours...that was my conclusion in the end.
 
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And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has taken away your sin; you shall not die. However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die.”
— 2 Samuel 12:13-14

The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
— Ezekiel 18:20


I'm sure this question has been raised before. The punishment seems just to David for his aweful crime against Uriah, but David's child was innocent, yet the child was punished for David's sin. And in Ezekiel 18:20 we read that the son will not bear the father's iniquity, yet this seems to be exactly what happend.

We can say that sure we are all guilty before God, just being born sinners, but throughtout the Bible we don't see God punish people just because of that, but because of our own sinful acts. But here it seems to be an exception. Please share your thought through comments.

Most likely David’s son was immediately accepted into heaven which is a blessing not a punishment.
 
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“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;” Exodus 20:5 (KJV 1900)

You are confusing Civil Law with God's judgment.

Every time you sin it stems from hatred of God.

I haven't said anything about God's judgement. If you mean the judgement day.
 
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Yes, but it was supposedly God that caused the child to die because of David's sin, etc...?

And He (God) even seems to say so, etc...? Seems to anyway, etc...?

Cause How could the child have just naturally died because David slept with another man's wife, greatly sinned in covering it up, and all of that, etc, anyway, how could the child just have died just because of some kind of natural consequence of that kind of specific sin, etc...?

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Do you think anyone is going to get out alive?
 
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The child remains innocent. The sting of death was put upon David suffering the loss of his child. God chose this consequence. David was spared the second death, the spiritual death. David's child died in the flesh however the child is still innocent and will not suffer the second death. Blessings.

Of course the child was innocent. If your sister robs a bank and God gives you a terminal cancer because of that, aren't you punished for her crime, yet being innocent? Does it not matter that the child died? Was the life of the child of no value to the child?
 
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Most likely David’s son was immediately accepted into heaven which is a blessing not a punishment.

Well, I can't see losing once life on Earth as a blessing, even accepted into heaven. Think about abortion. Would it be a blessing if the children are directly accepted into heaven?
 
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Of course the child was innocent. If your sister robs a bank and God gives you a terminal cancer because of that, aren't you punished for her crime, yet being innocent? Does it not matter that the child died? Was the life of the child of no value to the child?
Who are we to question God? This is the bigger question. Blessings.

PS: Your sister example does not equate, perhaps you have another ?
 
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It seems that it was the blasphemy committed by Davids enemies is to blame for the babies death. What David did caused his enemies to blaspheme. That's going right over my head.
 
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Of course the child was innocent. If your sister robs a bank and God gives you a terminal cancer because of that, aren't you punished for her crime, yet being innocent? Does it not matter that the child died? Was the life of the child of no value to the child?
Cont... Did it ever occur to you that the infants death was always in play ? We are all appointed a time to die. Perhaps David's prayers for intervention were not answered this time around as God was not delighted.
 
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Not sure how you are arguing here. If God is making me paralyzed because of something another did (like him being unfaithful to his wife), am I not punished by God for this person's sin? Of course it's different if the person sins by running me over with his car and that makes me paralyzed. Then it's not God's doing I'm paralyzed.
No, you are not paralyzed as punishment for someone else's sin. Job was not being punished for anyone's sin --not even his own.

You are paralyzed for God's purposes, just as Job was afflicted for God's purposes.

As a side note: if someone runs you over on purpose, paralyzing you, it is still also God-caused, just as it was God-caused for Satan to afflict Job. Satan is to be blamed --he is not God, who has absolute right to do as he pleases with his creation --including his right to use Satan for God's own purposes. God is not to be blamed. That does not mean that our reasoning is not presumptuous to extrapolate blame onto God if we consider him to have caused all things. We most certainly assume things that are not true, when Scriptures tell us he does cause all things.

A madman is perhaps among the most logical of people. His reasoning may be altogether logical, but begin from a presumption that is self-important, selfish and false, and lacking in "but-wait-a-minute" during his logical trajectory toward his false conclusion. The madman deals in absolutes. This does not mean there are no absolutes, but the madman fails to take into account the fact that he is not able to comprehend them absolutely. We Christians are sometimes a bit mad.
 
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Do you think anyone is going to get out alive?
I will pray for it/that...

But, yes, I do think so, and I do hope for that, and I believe many will, etc...

Remember it is not based on knowledge, or some other intellectual or otherwise "thing", etc, but God knows all of the "hearts", etc...

And that is what we all be judged on or by, in the end, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Do you think anyone is going to get out alive?
Well said! Our timing is not God's timing. We see coincidence as causation. But God does what he does, quite apart from our understanding.
 
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Well, I can't see losing once life on Earth as a blessing, even accepted into heaven. Think about abortion. Would it be a blessing if the children are directly accepted into heaven?

Yes it would be a blessing for the aborted child. What’s the ultimate goal here in this world for a Christian? Do we live for this world or the next? This world is nothing, it’s just a place to cultivate sheep and separate them from the goats.
 
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I will pray for it/that...

But, yes, I do think so, and I do hope for that, and I believe many will, etc...

Remember it is not based on knowledge, or some other intellectual or otherwise "thing", etc, but God knows all of the "hearts", etc...

And that is what we all be judged on or by, in the end, etc...

God Bless!
@Clare73

Also, it does not take or require very much to come to a "saving knowledge in Christ" also, etc, as it only requires only the most basic of things, etc, mainly "Christ and Him crucified", as Paul says, for the "saving of your soul", or spirit, etc, or for the saving or delivering from your sins, etc...

And that is basically all you will need to know, etc, and then, beyond that, basic repenting or basic repentance also, etc, which is also not that hard to do when your "eye is still simple", etc, for it is only when it gets much more complicated, that it, well, "becomes much more complicated", etc...

Anyway...?

Anyway, feel free to PM me on here anytime @Clare73, OK...? If you are feeling hopeless, or you feel like it is getting pretty hopeless to you, OK, and I will see what I can do for you, OK...?

Go over the basics with you, OK, try to help and counsel you to the best of my ability, OK...?

God Bless!
 
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And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has taken away your sin; you shall not die. However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die.”
— 2 Samuel 12:13-14

The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
— Ezekiel 18:20


I'm sure this question has been raised before. The punishment seems just to David for his aweful crime against Uriah, but David's child was innocent, yet the child was punished for David's sin. And in Ezekiel 18:20 we read that the son will not bear the father's iniquity, yet this seems to be exactly what happend.

We can say that sure we are all guilty before God, just being born sinners, but throughtout the Bible we don't see God punish people just because of that, but because of our own sinful acts. But here it seems to be an exception. Please share your thought through comments.
A man walked down a road God told him not to walk on and a lion ate him. Was this not God’s fault? Children died of infectious diseases and cancer in those days. It is the same today. I would not blame God. Jesus healed many. Many more could not be saved,
 
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@Clare73

Also, it does not take or require very much to come to a "saving knowledge in Christ" also, etc, as it only requires only the most basic of things, etc, mainly "Christ and Him crucified", as Paul says, for the "saving of your soul", or spirit, etc, or for the saving or delivering from your sins, etc...

And that is basically all you will need to know, etc, and then, beyond that, basic repenting or basic repentance also, etc, which is also not that hard to do when your "eye is still simple", etc, for it is only when it gets much more complicated, that it, well, "becomes much more complicated", etc...

Anyway...?

Anyway, feel free to PM me on here anytime @Clare73, OK...? If you are feeling hopeless, or you feel like it is getting pretty hopeless to you, OK, and I will see what I can do for you, OK...?

Go over the basics with you, OK, try to help and counsel you, OK...?

God Bless!
Thanks, Neogaia.

My comment referred to the fact that we all die, in response to dying young being an aberration.
 
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I haven't said anything about God's judgement. If you mean the judgement day.
No. He punishes generations of children for the sins of their fathers. You are confusing Israeli civil law where children are not punished for the sins of their fathers with that.
 
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Thanks, Neogaia.

My comment referred to the fact that we all die, in response to dying young being an aberration.
Oh, OK, I quite literally thought you were quite literally asking me if I thought very many of us were going to quite literally, any of us, etc, "make it out alive" in "any or all of this", etc, and maybe in "any way, shape or form", in "any or all of this", etc...?

Sorry for the misunderstanding...

God Bless!
 
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