Can Satan really do this to Anyone?

Jaxxi · Feb 24, 2021

22 Then Peter took Him and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Be it far from Thee, Lord; this shall not happen unto Thee.”

23 But He turned and said unto Peter, “Get thee behind Me, Satan! Thou art an offense unto Me; for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” Matthew 16:22

Then entered Satan into Judas, surnamed Iscariot, being one of the twelve.
Luke 22:3

But Peter said, “Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost and to keep back part of the price of the land? Acts 5:3

Satan can just enter into us and do stuff through us? If he could do it to Peter and Judas who were with Jesus and full of His word, who is to say he doesn't do stuff through us yet we are held accountable for it. God knows it is Satan! If disciples could not resist him, how can we 100% of the time?

pescador · Feb 24, 2021

Jaxxi said:
22 Then Peter took Him and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Be it far from Thee, Lord; this shall not happen unto Thee.”

23 But He turned and said unto Peter, “Get thee behind Me, Satan! Thou art an offense unto Me; for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” Matthew 16:22

Then entered Satan into Judas, surnamed Iscariot, being one of the twelve.
Luke 22:3

But Peter said, “Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost and to keep back part of the price of the land? Acts 5:3

Satan can just enter into us and do stuff through us? If he could do it to Peter and Judas who were with Jesus and full of His word, who is to say he doesn't do stuff through us yet we are held accountable for it. God knows it is Satan! If disciples could not resist him, how can we 100% of the time?

Both of these events happened before Christ died and was resurrected. Now that He has been sacrificed as penalty for our sins, we are in Christ, Satan can't just enter into us and do stuff through us. Ephesians 6:10-17, "Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."

mlepfitjw · Feb 24, 2021

Hello, Jaxxi. Agreeing with Pescador, just got done reading about Judas today. This was before Jesus Christ went to the cross and resurrected.

Judas desired worldly possession and decided to find how much payment he could get for selling out Jesus. Only to go back to the people who paid him, and told them to take the money back, what he had done was wrong selling out an innocent man.

He went and kill himself. In this story it just reminds me more of how in this life now, which has been 2000 years since the passing away of the Lord Jesus Christ, and also the resurrection is that in life darkness, and light exist.

The Darkness of our own natural state until it is reborn again into the light of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Remember in my dark days, where no care of God could ever be seen or talked about from my self.

These are just my opinions and am able to be wrong most of the time. Pescador shared correctly in what we wrestle against spiritual darkness/blindness, dead and not yet resurrected spiritually. (We do kind of wrestle against our own mind and the adversary that can entail bad thoughts, and lead even to addictions which God can renew when it turn toward him and read scripture keep faith pray and ask for help.)

Maria Billingsley · Feb 24, 2021

Jaxxi said:
22 Then Peter took Him and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Be it far from Thee, Lord; this shall not happen unto Thee.”

23 But He turned and said unto Peter, “Get thee behind Me, Satan! Thou art an offense unto Me; for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” Matthew 16:22

Then entered Satan into Judas, surnamed Iscariot, being one of the twelve.
Luke 22:3

But Peter said, “Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost and to keep back part of the price of the land? Acts 5:3

Satan can just enter into us and do stuff through us? If he could do it to Peter and Judas who were with Jesus and full of His word, who is to say he doesn't do stuff through us yet we are held accountable for it. God knows it is Satan! If disciples could not resist him, how can we 100% of the time?

Satan is the tempter. We fall into his temptation. Blessings.

Basil the Great · Feb 24, 2021

Jaxxi said:
22 Then Peter took Him and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Be it far from Thee, Lord; this shall not happen unto Thee.”

23 But He turned and said unto Peter, “Get thee behind Me, Satan! Thou art an offense unto Me; for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” Matthew 16:22

Then entered Satan into Judas, surnamed Iscariot, being one of the twelve.
Luke 22:3

But Peter said, “Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost and to keep back part of the price of the land? Acts 5:3

Satan can just enter into us and do stuff through us? If he could do it to Peter and Judas who were with Jesus and full of His word, who is to say he doesn't do stuff through us yet we are held accountable for it. God knows it is Satan! If disciples could not resist him, how can we 100% of the time?

I do not know that the answer is all that clear cut. The St. Louis exorcism case that The Exorcist film was loosely based upon dealt with a boy that was part of a Lutheran family. The boy had been baptized, probably as a child. I do not know how devout the family was, but they reportedly called upon their Lutheran pastor for assistance, so they probably were involved with their church to some degree anyway. After the Lutheran pastor failed, he urged them to try the Catholic Church. While they were successful, it supposedly took them about a full month of daily exorcisms before the boy was freed from demonic possession.

The only other case that I have read about in the United States dealt with an Earling, Iowa girl, though this case is not as well known as the St. Louis possession. I only learned of this case within the past year. The girl was reportedly raised in a devout Catholic home, but her aunt and uncle supposedly practiced witchcraft and had cursed the girl.

It would be so wonderful to say that a Christian cannot become a victim of demonic possession, but I think we need to be careful about making absolute declarations. Perhaps Christian children are not as protected as adults? Anyway, if you listen to what some of the trained Catholic exorcists say, it does appear that more than just a few members of their flock become victims of demonic possession. Why or how such circumstances develop are beyond me. I do not know how often Orthodox Christians or Protestants are victims of demonic oppression/possession, but I think we must assume that such does happen, like the Maryland/St. Louis, MO case from 1949.

NomNomPizza · Feb 24, 2021

Jaxxi said:
22 Then Peter took Him and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Be it far from Thee, Lord; this shall not happen unto Thee.”

23 But He turned and said unto Peter, “Get thee behind Me, Satan! Thou art an offense unto Me; for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” Matthew 16:22

Then entered Satan into Judas, surnamed Iscariot, being one of the twelve.
Luke 22:3

But Peter said, “Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost and to keep back part of the price of the land? Acts 5:3

Satan can just enter into us and do stuff through us? If he could do it to Peter and Judas who were with Jesus and full of His word, who is to say he doesn't do stuff through us yet we are held accountable for it. God knows it is Satan! If disciples could not resist him, how can we 100% of the time?

nah don't blame your sins on Satan
also Satan is not goat looking red guy with pichfork , satan means adversary.
ye Peter did really stupid thing right there telling Messiah that he shouldnt die for sins so no wonder this reaction from Jesus occured , he was fisherman tho so not really educated well compared to like Paul.

Moreover believer has Holy Spirit so no any evil spirit cannot enter you from now on , disciples did not have Holy Spirit untill Pentecost. So ye you have no excuse for your sins , can't blame the devil for that.

Sabertooth · Feb 24, 2021

@Jaxxi, to learn about more demonology, visit a church that has a healing/deliverance ministry. They have more hands-on experience in the matter.

Paul4JC · Feb 24, 2021

Mixing Peter with Judas, Ananias and Saphira is a big mistake. Take each story in proper context.

Gregorikos · Feb 24, 2021

The devil must be given a place, or opportunity to work in our lives. He is always looking for that chance. Obviously if we were always wide open to his attacks he wouldn't need to look for his chance.

Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8 (NASB)

and do not give the devil an opportunity. Ephesians 4:27 (NASB)

Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. Ephesians 6:11 (NASB)

Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. James 4:7 (NASB)

We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18 (NASB)

Jaxxi · Feb 24, 2021

Basil the Great said:
I do not know that the answer is all that clear cut. The St. Louis exorcism case that The Exorcist film was loosely based upon dealt with a boy that was part of a Lutheran family. The boy had been baptized, probably as a child. I do not know how devout the family was, but they reportedly called upon their Lutheran pastor for assistance, so they probably were involved with their church to some degree anyway. After the Lutheran pastor failed, he urged them to try the Catholic Church. While they were successful, it supposedly took them about a full month of daily exorcisms before the boy was freed from demonic possession.

The only other case that I have read about in the United States dealt with an Earling, Iowa girl, though this case is not as well known as the St. Louis possession. I only learned of this case within the past year. The girl was reportedly raised in a devout Catholic home, but her aunt and uncle supposedly practiced witchcraft and had cursed the girl.

It would be so wonderful to say that a Christian cannot become a victim of demonic possession, but I think we need to be careful about making absolute declarations. Perhaps Christian children are not as protected as adults? Anyway, if you listen to what some of the trained Catholic exorcists say, it does appear that more than just a few members of their flock become victims of demonic possession. Why or how such circumstances develop are beyond me. I do not know how often Orthodox Christians or Protestants are victims of demonic oppression/possession, but I think we must assume that such does happen, like the Maryland/St. Louis, MO case from 1949.

I know for a fact it can happen as when I was in college I was entered by a demon who screamed at me in another language. My soul screamed for Jesus and it was forced out of me through the top of my head. I was utterly terrified and never knew another being could penetrate the very membrane of ones soul...not my soul but the cavity where my soul resides. My mother was 300 miles away and felt this happen to me. I had sleep paralysis for 3 years following until I strengthened my faith. This only ever happe

Gregorikos said:
The devil must be given a place, or opportunity to work in our lives. He is always looking for that chance. Obviously if we were always wide open to his attacks he wouldn't need to look for his chance.

Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8 (NASB)

and do not give the devil an opportunity. Ephesians 4:27 (NASB)

Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. Ephesians 6:11 (NASB)

Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. James 4:7 (NASB)

We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18 (NASB)

This is true. Thank you.

Jaxxi · Feb 24, 2021

Paul4JC said:
Mixing Peter with Judas, Ananias and Saphira is a big mistake. Take each story in proper context.

Jesus chose Peter and Judas as Disciples...was that a mistake? They are both instances of Satan- that is the only similarity because Jesus spoke to Satan in each instance through the person he was in. How is it a big mistake? I didn't do anything wrong.

Jaxxi · Feb 24, 2021

Sabertooth said:
@Jaxxi, to learn about more demonology, visit a church that has a healing/deliverance ministry. They have more hands-on experience in the matter.

It was just a question. I do not need to know more about demonlogy or care to give satan that satisfaction.

Sabertooth · Feb 24, 2021

Jaxxi said:
I do not need to know more about demonlogy or care to give satan that satisfaction.

"Demonology" is the Christian/Biblical understanding of demons. It is associated with the spiritual gift, "discerning of spirits."

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit,
to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
to another faith by the same Spirit,
to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,
to another the working of miracles,
to another prophecy,
to another discerning of spirits,
to another different kinds of tongues,
to another the interpretation of tongues.

But one and the same Spirit works all these things,
distributing to each one individually as He wills." 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 NKJV

Gregorikos · Feb 24, 2021

Jaxxi said:
Jesus chose Peter and Judas as Disciples...was that a mistake? They are both instances of Satan- that is the only similarity because Jesus spoke to Satan in each instance through the person he was in. How is it a big mistake? I didn't do anything wrong.

I don't think you were wrong. Peter, Judas, and Ananias all have something in common.

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” Matthew 16:23 (NASB)

He *took and *gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. John 13:26-27 (NASB)

“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? Acts 5:3 (NASB)

In light of your question, Peter implied that Ananias had some control on whether Satan filled his heart or not. If Satan could do whatever he pleased in a believer's life, it seems to me Peter would have said that differently.

Paul4JC · Feb 24, 2021

Jaxxi said:
Jesus chose Peter and Judas as Disciples...was that a mistake? They are both instances of Satan- that is the only similarity because Jesus spoke to Satan in each instance through the person he was in. How is it a big mistake? I didn't do anything wrong.

The context is different, that's what I said. You keep your view, I'll keep mine.

Jaxxi · Feb 25, 2021

Sabertooth said:
"Demonology" is the Christian/Biblical understanding of demons. It is associated with the spiritual gift, "discerning of spirits."

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit,

to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,

to another faith by the same Spirit,

to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,

to another the working of miracles,

to another prophecy,

to another discerning of spirits,

to another different kinds of tongues,

to another the interpretation of tongues.

But one and the same Spirit works all these things,
distributing to each one individually as He wills." 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 NKJV

Oh I know. My response came out wrong. I apologize. I have done some studying up on them just to know the enemy better to find out who is who and what we are truly up against. If we are to be true Christians, then we must believe Jesus when it comes to demons and not pretend they don't exist. It is not popular to talk about demons amongst Christians I have found. I posted on my experience on another forum and got backlash from it with people saying " Save your horror stories. This isn't the place" and I was very offended! I explained it wasn't some fake horror story- it was part of my testimony and I give all the glory to Jesus for saving me from that vile thing. I just don't care to give the devil place by spending any kind of time on it when I could be praying or reading the Bible. I felt I may have been doing that because after I read about them I had a Supernatural demonic dream that was absolutely terrifying and horrific. It was like nothing I have ever experienced because it contained an element that does not exist in human life. I couldn't have made it up in my own mind if I tried because it was like a seventh sense if that makes sense. It was utterly mind-blowing in a bad way.

Jaxxi · Feb 25, 2021

Gregorikos said:
I don't think you were wrong. Peter, Judas, and Ananias all have something in common.

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” Matthew 16:23 (NASB)

He *took and *gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. John 13:26-27 (NASB)

“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? Acts 5:3 (NASB)

In light of your question, Peter implied that Ananias had some control on whether Satan filled his heart or not. If Satan could do whatever he pleased in a believer's life, it seems to me Peter would have said that differently.

Thank you. Yes that is true. Thank God we have Jesus to help us. Can you imagine the puppet show Satan is having with non- believers considering how intelligent and powerful satan is and the fact that we can't see him physically is so surreal. Another thing is these people who believe in demons and paranormal but not God. I cannot even wrap my head around that concept. So many people commit crimes and have no recollection of what they did and that is so scary. For instance there is a woman here in Phoenix who basically woke up in the emergency room handcuffed to her bed. She was an insurance agent who had smoked some spice in a joint. She had no idea why she was there. She came to learn that she had killed and dismembered her 3 children and put them in suitcases ( this woman's kids were her life) and then had slit her own throat and tried to drown herself. She had ZERO memory of it and was inconsolable for weeks in the county jail. Her family stood by her, as she was a good person. She faces triple capital murder and faces the death penalty. That case has satan's name all over it. Seriously who tries to slit their own throat and drown themselves? Those are things someone does to another person.( Being)

GreekOrthodox · Feb 25, 2021

Judas had already begun the process of betraying Jesus. So Judas was predisposed to completing the betrayal.

As for Peter, Satan also means "adversary" or "accuser". In Job, Satan is the one who points out that Job is good because God is nice to him. So here, I've always read it not that Peter was filled with Satan but rather than Peter, by trying to prevent the crucifixion, was opposed to Jesus mission and was now, the "adversary".

pescador · Feb 25, 2021

GreekOrthodox said:
Judas had already begun the process of betraying Jesus. So Judas was predisposed to completing the betrayal.

As for Peter, Satan also means "adversary" or "accuser". In Job, Satan is the one who points out that Job is good because God is nice to him. So here, I've always read it not that Peter was filled with Satan but rather than Peter, by trying to prevent the crucifixion, was opposed to Jesus mission and was now, the "adversary".

I completely agree with this. The usual argument is that Jesus said "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it." Matthew 16:18 It doesn't seem to matter that in Matthew 4:18 -- much earlier in the same Gospel -- it says, "As he was walking by the Sea of Galilee he saw two brothers, Simon (called Peter) and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea (for they were fishermen) and in Matthew 10:2 it says, "Now these are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (called Peter), and Andrew his brother; James son of Zebedee and John his brother" (and elsewhere in the Gospels). So Jesus did not give Peter a new name in Matthew 16:18 but addressed him as "a rock", then in Matthew 16:23 addressed him as "Satan", obviously not claiming him to be the devil but to be exhibiting a dangerously wrong attitude.

Jaxxi · Feb 25, 2021

GreekOrthodox said:
Judas had already begun the process of betraying Jesus. So Judas was predisposed to completing the betrayal.

As for Peter, Satan also means "adversary" or "accuser". In Job, Satan is the one who points out that Job is good because God is nice to him. So here, I've always read it not that Peter was filled with Satan but rather than Peter, by trying to prevent the crucifixion, was opposed to Jesus mission and was now, the "adversary".

But Jesus wouldn't use sarcasm and He knew Peter wasn't Satan. Peter is the same one who denied Jesus a little later right? Was that the work of Satan as well, making him lie?

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